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Old 14th Aug 2006, 09:35
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Singapore LCC Openings?

Hi all,

Would anyone have info on whether Singaporean LCCs are hiring foreign F/Os at present?

And thoughts as well about working with Singaporean LCCs as an expat?

Thanks.
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Old 14th Aug 2006, 22:26
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Jetstar is looking for some drivers but you have to deposit some $ for bank guarantee and pay the company some $ for your type in toulouse, accomodation and airfare there and back to singapore. they do not advertise on their site but do give them a call.

tiger's website advertised for some driver's . write to them and a follow up call will be a good idea.

my honest opinion, a LCC is still a LCC. nothing special or extra. why not try some other major airlines and there are many airlines who are recruiting right now. I would not mention any figures here but for jetstar it depends which package you take besides securing a bank guarantee but figure wise for both i would say it's survivable in singapore. hope this helps and good luck
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Old 15th Aug 2006, 13:40
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Thanks for the thoughts and info!

Rated on the A320 as of the moment and weighing if I should retain the rating or apply as F/O with major airlines. I heard China Airlines and EVA Air are hiring - would you rate them as better than Singaporean LCCs, if the latter present possible upgrade to the left seat in the future? Maybe I can move on, afterwards.

Of course airlines such as CX, SIA and major middle eastern airlines are no brainers. Just not ruling out LCCs if my present experience (1,000 F/O hours on the A320 and hardly any command) fall short of the major airlines' requirements.
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Old 16th Aug 2006, 04:49
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Try Air Asia. With 1000hrs on the A320 you`d fit very well with them. They also have their own training center in Malaysia. Cost if any, should be minimal in your case.
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Old 16th Aug 2006, 06:56
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Danger

Does that mean that the DCA and Immigration status regarding no Foreign FO's at present now not apply?
Regards,
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Old 16th Aug 2006, 08:54
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If you've got the right loop holes, $ will help solve the issue under the table. but that is a rumour going around though. read some of the postings in PPRuNe. saw it somewhere. many are leaving air asia. 2 capt's just left from the bus fleet and few more pilots are leaving too according to rumours. cost is minimal but pay is also minimal and everything is also minimal but work and stress is maximum. if i've got a thousand hours on the bus, i'll look somewhere else instead of a Low Class Carrier
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Old 16th Aug 2006, 10:45
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LCC? Go for major airlines unless you're building hours, LCC will work you to the max....

1000 hrs sounds good for major airlines.

Good luck!
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Old 16th Aug 2006, 14:17
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All thoughts and info noted, thanks all for the help!
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Old 20th Aug 2006, 03:31
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Tropicbus,

Good advice from many here. Pay is good with Singaporean LCC's Jetstar and Tiger but you'll work your butt off. OK if you want a quick promotion to left seat. Tiger seems to be better than Jetstar in this regard with lots of new Captains from the ranks. Then you'll earn around 16K to 18 K SGD per month (5300 - 6000 stg) as Capt but you'll fly 1000 hrs a year.

If that's what you want go for it. Otherwise stick to the real airlines where you'll be properly looked after and be respected to some little extent. Don't expect that in the LCC's. If you havent experienced LCC's look at Easyjet and Ryanair posts and you'll see what its all about. No real roster stability and endless calls to work on your day off without any compensation except getting the day off back at some stage.
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Old 20th Aug 2006, 11:07
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"No real roster stability and endless calls to work on your day off without any compensation except getting the day off back at some stage."

that comes in the package dosent it ? that is still not so bad.. even some LCC (Low Cheapskate Carrier ) will ask you to change aircraft and continue to fly few more sectors even coming back with a single engine or even from a decomp. (only half of the masks dropped in the cabin !)

at the end of the day, a LCC is a LCC, goto a national airline or a non LCC. just my 2 cents.
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Old 20th Aug 2006, 16:58
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Hey Sidstar, thanks for your opinions! Will surely check out the Ryanair and Easyjet posts! But on the matter of roster stability, gee, sounds like the airline that I work for now! Noted the upgrade comparison between Tiger and Jetstar as well


flyr_flyer, got the picture regarding LCCs - do you think Singaporean LCCs are just the same as the others, meaning, they cut costs way too far?


How about Air Macau? Heard they have F/O openings on the A320 - are they any good?
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Old 20th Aug 2006, 20:12
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as said LCC is LCC but those guys down south ain't that bad i guess and the $ is not that bad but i wouldn't risk it though. air macau are looking for some bus drivers. maybe you can try ... at least not a LCC.
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Old 21st Aug 2006, 01:57
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Point well taken, flyr_flyer! Thanks!
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Old 21st Aug 2006, 15:12
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Well, Air Macau is a good airline, but I know a few who changed from them to Tiger, but none the opposite direction.

LCC are LCC, but there are differences, and a western managed LCC in Asia is a better place to be than others. Only legacy carriers in Asia are on top of them, i.e. SQ and Cathay.

If you have the right to work in Europe you might try some more, otherwise ... - see above.

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Old 22nd Aug 2006, 23:34
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LCC no problem if you go in with your eyes open and know what to expect. Singapore allow 1000 hrs/year and companies regard it as a target, rather than a limit. You will work hard, expect frequent roster changes and being called in on days off as there are not enough crews to allow much lee way when things go off track.

Pay is very good, but pay for own pension, l.o.l. insurance, etc Short on perks you would take for granted with a regular airline. No expat benefits such as schooling and housing. Singapore great if you have a family.

Need 1500hrs total to convert to a Sing licence and will only get a CPL if you do not have command time in multi crew aircraft. Can do a special shortened ATPL exam but fail it twice and you are up the full set of papers.

Rapid promotion if suitable, good if you are older and can't wait 7-8 years. Means you can join and and 4-5 years later be considered for DEC in a regular airline. A320 drivers experienced on Asian routes very employable, easy to move onto A330/340.

Whole thing depends on your circumstances, if you are happy to work hard for good pay with quick promotion and move to a regular airline in 5 years it's a great choice particularly for older pilots. If you are early 20s and have an offer from BA take that.
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Old 23rd Aug 2006, 04:55
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Just wondering, if anybody knows, if Tiger also excepts pilots without jet time i.e. multi crew command experience on turboprops > 5700kg?

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Old 23rd Aug 2006, 07:36
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Yes, but you pay for the rating on A320 yourself and if you fail the sim assessment afterwards it's bye bye with no refund
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Old 23rd Aug 2006, 11:17
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Metro man,

Have you had a go at the LCC in asia or are you still based in Australia?

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Old 24th Aug 2006, 02:58
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valueair

valueair merged with tiger right?
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Old 24th Aug 2006, 03:34
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Originally Posted by zuka
valueair merged with tiger right?
Right? No, wrong. Valueair got into bed with Jetstar.
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