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"TP,why CAL is looking for "loosers"?And why CX,SQ,LH,BA,KL,EK...etc dont?OK,You say command at QF or CX is about 7-10 years"
Surely you are not putting CAL with the likes of those you've mentioned above?
Surely you are not putting CAL with the likes of those you've mentioned above?
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Taiwan paradise,
Wow you are an angry person! I hope you find happiness soon as I know
29chev who returned to his world class job at Air Canada after Taipei is very happy! Even if the poor bugger is Jr to me on the master list.....
Oh... 29chev, so you are one of those Canadian losers, huh? I knew that. I heard a rumor that Canadian pilots do nothing but complain, and now, I know the rumor is true...
Dude you have to be joking me! Canadians are among the most highly recruited pilots in the world. What you are completely missing here is that LIES that we were told when we went to CAL. CAL lied to me........... I never complained and I sat down with DEAN YOUNG my 744 Chief Pilot and confronted him about the lies and I resigned. PS Dean Young also told me I would be welcome back to CAL ANYTIME I wanted.
I am flying in Japan now and the Japanese love working with Canadians
Firstly, if foreign pilots get hired by West Jet or Air Canada, they speak English, one of Canada's official languages, and most likely, they have commitment to the Canadian society, because they are most likely Canadian citizens. (Last time when I checked, the Canadian government or Canadian airlines didn't have generosity to hire foreign nationals without Canadian citizenship... Wow!!! CAL is so generous in that matter, huh) that’s why there are no reasons or on benefits for the employers to give a double standard for anybody.
Just for the record here dude "official language of aviation ........you guessed it...........wait for it! ENGLISH!
The reason CAL needs guys like you and me is because of the history of KILLING PEOPLE in airplanes not because Taiwan is so forward thinking and out of the generosity of there hearts ............come on man give your head a shake!
On the other hand, you in Taiwan... with CAL... How many Chinese or Taiwanese words did you pick up? Can you even tell the difference between the two languages? Did you study history or politics of Taiwan? And... When was the last time you saw the local Taiwanese people WITHOUT any intimidation or discrimination in your mind. I bet you a million dollars that every single time when you see the locals, you tell yourself that you are better than those yellow people, because you are from the great country of Canada... Am I not right? You are so mad not just because you are treated wrong, but also because you are treated wrong by the yellow people who you consider inferior to you... Am I not right?
Again bro, in your above RANT you make some childish remarks! 29Chev lives and works in the most culturally diverse cities in the world and flies for an equal rights employer at Air Canada. The only thing yellow he had a problem with in Taipei was the beer............so again man give your head a shake dude and grow up!
You don't try to give commitment or you NEVER tried to give commitment since "the day one." You are always constantly looking for reasons to justify your bad attitude. You are always looking for excuses why you were not accepted in the Canadian society (Or, in the Taiwan society either) you are so sad because you have failed in Canada AND in Taiwan. The management people can see through easily a weak guy like you, a tricky guy like you, a loser like you. That's why they never treat you right. But, you are lucky, man, because if I am your boss, I would make you a cabin attendant, hahaha!
Do I need to even address the above childish remarks...........dare I!
Ah hell why not....let see when 29chev and I set out to get and apartment in Taipei we thought LONG TERM at least the 5 years and that is why we got ourselves a really NICE apartment in Renai Lu walking distance to Tpe 101 so don't yap about commitment. I am quite confident none of us ever have to worry about you being our boss.........ps why you disrespect flight attendants anyways.....
Secondly, don't talk like you know about West Jet or Air Canada. You have never been with them, am I right? See... you are talking like you know about something that you really don't know. You are just guessing. Now, you are not just a loser, but you are a liar. Now, all of sudden, what you are complaining about CAL has come to sound like little truth and loads of lies.
100% CORRECT 29CHEV KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT WESTJET. That is by choice! As he currently is going through command training at Air Canada. As I remember he never applied at West Jet! West Jet is a great company and again an EQUAL RIGHTS EMPLOYER!
Third, if you have so many complains, I bet you have gone to talk with youe boss (bosses) face to face, like a real man. Or... have you??? Don't tell me you haven't. You sound like a tough guy on this website or in the crew room, but you can never talk with your boss face to face. If you are really concerned with CAL's situation or fellow expat pilots, you should have done that. But, I know, you just care about yourself. Typical. That's why you complain non-stop, but never do anything, because you got no balls. Now, you are not just a loser, or a liar, but you are also a coward.
See above comments about my 2 hr chat with Dean Young...........did I mention that I am still invited back to CAL at ANYTIME....
Now, I can picture very very crisply what type of man you are. I have seen hundreds of guys like you in my life. But... be careful. By the age 50, a guy like you would become completely and absolutely miserable. No wife, no friends, or no real job. Just... the Canada's ice-cold winds will be blowing right through your lonely heart...
Picture this: 29chev just bought a new house that is being built to his specs............just ran a marathon in YVR a month or so ago.........has a beautiful wife I know cause she is almost as hot as mine..........and two lovely little boys............Dude don't talk to us about the Canadian ice-cold winds cause last time I checked you have never flown on to ice in the high arctic ........last time I checked we both have............
Oh... by the way, I am not a Taiwanese. I am from Japan. And... Thank you very much for criticizing on my English. Without being criticized, I would never learn. I still make lots of mistakes, because English is my 4th language to learn. You know those Asian people who you love so much do speak two or three or more languages... And... you? I bet your French is fluent, because it is one of your country's official languages, right. If you like, write me in French or maybe in Japanese... oh, don't tell me you can't, because I don't want to call you a loser/liar/coward and stupid.
Taiwanese Japanese, why do you think it makes a difference to us! Do not try to put a label on Canadians........what makes Canada the best country in the world is the fact that it is made up of immigrants from ALL over the world from every race and culture. Again your childish attempts to slag Canadians over how many languages we speak is adolecent at best. English is the language of the world............that is a fact! Last time I checked Canada was only a 100 or so years old so take your English beef up with the Brits hell they ruled the world back them!
PS I know lots of Canadians who speak up to 10 languages and MY BOAT IS BIGGER THAN YOURS................
I hope you get my point there.........let me know if you don't and I will rewrite it!
You know the history??? Japan invaded Taiwan years ago? That's why sometimes, I am treated by the locals much worse than you could imagine. Not even in the company but outside of the company also. But... I don't complain. You know why? Because "I" made this decision. No one has ever forced me and no one is forcing me to be where I am right now. When a Japanese man makes a decision, then he is responsible for that decision, he gives commitment, and he complains only to himself alone, or directly to his boss. That's the way of Samurai. I used to believe that Canadian men are much tougher than a guy like you... but I guess I was wrong.
29chev made his decision to go to Taiwan based on LIES from CAL management. So did you! As a man he did what was right for his family and stayed at CAL against his better judgment for as long as he could bare it. Then when the lies and the safety concerns became too much he quit. That is how I measure a man and his toughness..........if he was not the father and husband that he is, 29chev would have quit CAL after about 3 months............That’s how long it takes to get online and see what a disaster CAL truly is!
If you don't complain then why are you writing it on here...........you made your choice to go to CAL..............so be a Samurai and spare us.........
Get packed and leave. Your sweet mom at home will take care of you on your bed!!!
Yeah I think he did leave............again man you should not disrespect mothers it just childish......
Like I said at the very top of this post bro! I hope you find happiness as most of those who have left CAL have...........and that is why almost every LOCAL I flew with for my time at CAL told me they were looking for a way out............maybe you should to when you have the experience you gained at CAL to get a job at home........
Godspeed brutha
Wow you are an angry person! I hope you find happiness soon as I know
29chev who returned to his world class job at Air Canada after Taipei is very happy! Even if the poor bugger is Jr to me on the master list.....
Oh... 29chev, so you are one of those Canadian losers, huh? I knew that. I heard a rumor that Canadian pilots do nothing but complain, and now, I know the rumor is true...
Dude you have to be joking me! Canadians are among the most highly recruited pilots in the world. What you are completely missing here is that LIES that we were told when we went to CAL. CAL lied to me........... I never complained and I sat down with DEAN YOUNG my 744 Chief Pilot and confronted him about the lies and I resigned. PS Dean Young also told me I would be welcome back to CAL ANYTIME I wanted.
I am flying in Japan now and the Japanese love working with Canadians
Firstly, if foreign pilots get hired by West Jet or Air Canada, they speak English, one of Canada's official languages, and most likely, they have commitment to the Canadian society, because they are most likely Canadian citizens. (Last time when I checked, the Canadian government or Canadian airlines didn't have generosity to hire foreign nationals without Canadian citizenship... Wow!!! CAL is so generous in that matter, huh) that’s why there are no reasons or on benefits for the employers to give a double standard for anybody.
Just for the record here dude "official language of aviation ........you guessed it...........wait for it! ENGLISH!
The reason CAL needs guys like you and me is because of the history of KILLING PEOPLE in airplanes not because Taiwan is so forward thinking and out of the generosity of there hearts ............come on man give your head a shake!
On the other hand, you in Taiwan... with CAL... How many Chinese or Taiwanese words did you pick up? Can you even tell the difference between the two languages? Did you study history or politics of Taiwan? And... When was the last time you saw the local Taiwanese people WITHOUT any intimidation or discrimination in your mind. I bet you a million dollars that every single time when you see the locals, you tell yourself that you are better than those yellow people, because you are from the great country of Canada... Am I not right? You are so mad not just because you are treated wrong, but also because you are treated wrong by the yellow people who you consider inferior to you... Am I not right?
Again bro, in your above RANT you make some childish remarks! 29Chev lives and works in the most culturally diverse cities in the world and flies for an equal rights employer at Air Canada. The only thing yellow he had a problem with in Taipei was the beer............so again man give your head a shake dude and grow up!
You don't try to give commitment or you NEVER tried to give commitment since "the day one." You are always constantly looking for reasons to justify your bad attitude. You are always looking for excuses why you were not accepted in the Canadian society (Or, in the Taiwan society either) you are so sad because you have failed in Canada AND in Taiwan. The management people can see through easily a weak guy like you, a tricky guy like you, a loser like you. That's why they never treat you right. But, you are lucky, man, because if I am your boss, I would make you a cabin attendant, hahaha!
Do I need to even address the above childish remarks...........dare I!
Ah hell why not....let see when 29chev and I set out to get and apartment in Taipei we thought LONG TERM at least the 5 years and that is why we got ourselves a really NICE apartment in Renai Lu walking distance to Tpe 101 so don't yap about commitment. I am quite confident none of us ever have to worry about you being our boss.........ps why you disrespect flight attendants anyways.....
Secondly, don't talk like you know about West Jet or Air Canada. You have never been with them, am I right? See... you are talking like you know about something that you really don't know. You are just guessing. Now, you are not just a loser, but you are a liar. Now, all of sudden, what you are complaining about CAL has come to sound like little truth and loads of lies.
100% CORRECT 29CHEV KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT WESTJET. That is by choice! As he currently is going through command training at Air Canada. As I remember he never applied at West Jet! West Jet is a great company and again an EQUAL RIGHTS EMPLOYER!
Third, if you have so many complains, I bet you have gone to talk with youe boss (bosses) face to face, like a real man. Or... have you??? Don't tell me you haven't. You sound like a tough guy on this website or in the crew room, but you can never talk with your boss face to face. If you are really concerned with CAL's situation or fellow expat pilots, you should have done that. But, I know, you just care about yourself. Typical. That's why you complain non-stop, but never do anything, because you got no balls. Now, you are not just a loser, or a liar, but you are also a coward.
See above comments about my 2 hr chat with Dean Young...........did I mention that I am still invited back to CAL at ANYTIME....
Now, I can picture very very crisply what type of man you are. I have seen hundreds of guys like you in my life. But... be careful. By the age 50, a guy like you would become completely and absolutely miserable. No wife, no friends, or no real job. Just... the Canada's ice-cold winds will be blowing right through your lonely heart...
Picture this: 29chev just bought a new house that is being built to his specs............just ran a marathon in YVR a month or so ago.........has a beautiful wife I know cause she is almost as hot as mine..........and two lovely little boys............Dude don't talk to us about the Canadian ice-cold winds cause last time I checked you have never flown on to ice in the high arctic ........last time I checked we both have............
Oh... by the way, I am not a Taiwanese. I am from Japan. And... Thank you very much for criticizing on my English. Without being criticized, I would never learn. I still make lots of mistakes, because English is my 4th language to learn. You know those Asian people who you love so much do speak two or three or more languages... And... you? I bet your French is fluent, because it is one of your country's official languages, right. If you like, write me in French or maybe in Japanese... oh, don't tell me you can't, because I don't want to call you a loser/liar/coward and stupid.
Taiwanese Japanese, why do you think it makes a difference to us! Do not try to put a label on Canadians........what makes Canada the best country in the world is the fact that it is made up of immigrants from ALL over the world from every race and culture. Again your childish attempts to slag Canadians over how many languages we speak is adolecent at best. English is the language of the world............that is a fact! Last time I checked Canada was only a 100 or so years old so take your English beef up with the Brits hell they ruled the world back them!
PS I know lots of Canadians who speak up to 10 languages and MY BOAT IS BIGGER THAN YOURS................
I hope you get my point there.........let me know if you don't and I will rewrite it!
You know the history??? Japan invaded Taiwan years ago? That's why sometimes, I am treated by the locals much worse than you could imagine. Not even in the company but outside of the company also. But... I don't complain. You know why? Because "I" made this decision. No one has ever forced me and no one is forcing me to be where I am right now. When a Japanese man makes a decision, then he is responsible for that decision, he gives commitment, and he complains only to himself alone, or directly to his boss. That's the way of Samurai. I used to believe that Canadian men are much tougher than a guy like you... but I guess I was wrong.
29chev made his decision to go to Taiwan based on LIES from CAL management. So did you! As a man he did what was right for his family and stayed at CAL against his better judgment for as long as he could bare it. Then when the lies and the safety concerns became too much he quit. That is how I measure a man and his toughness..........if he was not the father and husband that he is, 29chev would have quit CAL after about 3 months............That’s how long it takes to get online and see what a disaster CAL truly is!
If you don't complain then why are you writing it on here...........you made your choice to go to CAL..............so be a Samurai and spare us.........
Get packed and leave. Your sweet mom at home will take care of you on your bed!!!
Yeah I think he did leave............again man you should not disrespect mothers it just childish......
Like I said at the very top of this post bro! I hope you find happiness as most of those who have left CAL have...........and that is why almost every LOCAL I flew with for my time at CAL told me they were looking for a way out............maybe you should to when you have the experience you gained at CAL to get a job at home........
Godspeed brutha
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Thanks for the kind words....and watching my back!!!
taiwanparadise
I think if you read the above post you'll get most of the story....but I take extreme exception to one point you make....You said...
"but also because you are treated wrong by the yellow people who you consider inferior to you... Am I not right? "
That statement is completely un true..You are not right..I don't consider any person in the world inferior to me and that includes flight attendants ...I think your anger and venom that you spew only tells us of how you feel about other peoples......as a matter of fact my oldest son who I had with my wife of 15 years....has several friends who are originally from Singapore, Hong Kong, and Korea.....If I dislike Asians so much why would I let them play together, go to school together, have sleep overs and go to summer camp together......the reason because everyone is the same....I invite those kids and their parents into my home with open arms.......
What I disliked was CAL the company and how they treated ME nothing else, I actually had a lot of fun in TPE.
You said..
(Last time when I checked, the Canadian government or Canadian airlines didn't have generosity to hire foreign nationals without Canadian citizenship... Wow!!! CAL is so generous in that matter, huh) That's why there are no reasons or on benefits for the employers to give a double standard for anybody.
Canada doesn’t need to hire pilots from other countries because we have many many pilots, but if you come to Canada and get a landed immigrant status card and a Canadian pilots license you can apply to West Jet or Air Canada and if you are the best candidate you will get the job…....CAL is not generous to hire foreign pilots they NEED foreign pilots or they would have to park airplanes it is as simple as that they don’t have enough pilots, if they did they would not give me a job.
By the way why did you say in one post,
The country where I am from (USA),
and then the next post
Oh... by the way, I am not a Taiwanese. I am from Japan.
I never said you were Taiwanese I said "like " the Taiwanese.....if you are so happy why do you say you are from the USA? never mind that...there are many good airlines in Japan why do you not work for one of them??? oh never mind none of my business it's up to you where you work.
Thanks for the kind words....and watching my back!!!
taiwanparadise
I think if you read the above post you'll get most of the story....but I take extreme exception to one point you make....You said...
"but also because you are treated wrong by the yellow people who you consider inferior to you... Am I not right? "
That statement is completely un true..You are not right..I don't consider any person in the world inferior to me and that includes flight attendants ...I think your anger and venom that you spew only tells us of how you feel about other peoples......as a matter of fact my oldest son who I had with my wife of 15 years....has several friends who are originally from Singapore, Hong Kong, and Korea.....If I dislike Asians so much why would I let them play together, go to school together, have sleep overs and go to summer camp together......the reason because everyone is the same....I invite those kids and their parents into my home with open arms.......
What I disliked was CAL the company and how they treated ME nothing else, I actually had a lot of fun in TPE.
You said..
(Last time when I checked, the Canadian government or Canadian airlines didn't have generosity to hire foreign nationals without Canadian citizenship... Wow!!! CAL is so generous in that matter, huh) That's why there are no reasons or on benefits for the employers to give a double standard for anybody.
Canada doesn’t need to hire pilots from other countries because we have many many pilots, but if you come to Canada and get a landed immigrant status card and a Canadian pilots license you can apply to West Jet or Air Canada and if you are the best candidate you will get the job…....CAL is not generous to hire foreign pilots they NEED foreign pilots or they would have to park airplanes it is as simple as that they don’t have enough pilots, if they did they would not give me a job.
By the way why did you say in one post,
The country where I am from (USA),
and then the next post
Oh... by the way, I am not a Taiwanese. I am from Japan.
I never said you were Taiwanese I said "like " the Taiwanese.....if you are so happy why do you say you are from the USA? never mind that...there are many good airlines in Japan why do you not work for one of them??? oh never mind none of my business it's up to you where you work.
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Oh YA the language thing...not much but I'll try
Shai shai ne......bo ca chee.....Ren Ai Lou su dwen......zit zue jo...yo jwan.....
jo jwan....yo bein....jo bein...ting....may wan te..... and the most important.....
ching gay wa ei ping pesho
I'm sure my spelling and pronunciation is all wrong but that is how they sounded.
Shai shai ne......bo ca chee.....Ren Ai Lou su dwen......zit zue jo...yo jwan.....
jo jwan....yo bein....jo bein...ting....may wan te..... and the most important.....
ching gay wa ei ping pesho
I'm sure my spelling and pronunciation is all wrong but that is how they sounded.
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One more thing....I feel very sorry for you.....if all you have to do in your life is fight for the honor of CAL you must have a very sad and empty life in deed.........I hope things improve for you and you get all the happeness life has to offer.
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One more thing....I feel very sorry for you.....if all you have to do in your life is fight for the honor of CAL you must have a very sad and empty life in deed.........I hope things improve for you and you get all the happeness life has to offer.
29
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....but seriously....a command after 18 months is a bit unrealistic.....do CAL have a seniority system?.....did you ask them about promotion policy?....
your right they told me 3 years but I could see the writing on the wall....no no seniority system......and yes I asked but later found out they had only upgraded 5 or 6 expats in the history of the company
I think things will change in the near future as the asian demand for pilots continue to grow.....should stick at it for a while and see what happens....but think of it in a positive way....you got some wide body jet experience......cultural experience.......good or bad...it makes you a better person.......
You are totaly correct couldn't agree more I grew as a person and a pilot.
Cheers
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You said
....but seriously....a command after 18 months is a bit unrealistic.....do CAL have a seniority system?.....did you ask them about promotion policy?....
your right they told me 3 years but I could see the writing on the wall....no no seniority system......and yes I asked but later found out they had only upgraded 5 or 6 expats in the history of the company
I think things will change in the near future as the asian demand for pilots continue to grow.....should stick at it for a while and see what happens....but think of it in a positive way....you got some wide body jet experience......cultural experience.......good or bad...it makes you a better person.......
You are totaly correct couldn't agree more I grew as a person and a pilot.
Cheers
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Hey guys
I never intended to disrespect the Canadian pilots as whole. Just because some of your former comments SOUNDED like disrespecting the Taiwanese people, non-native English speakers, and Taiwan itself to me... that's why I tried to counter-attack you. Yah, I admit, some of my comments were childish and out of the points. Again, I never really tried to disrespect Canada. (I have been there for five times myself.)
Well, I never tried to defend CAL either. Thanks for worrying about my possibly "miserable" life. But, it is not too bad actually. As I mentioned before, it's all about a girl. A beautiful Taiwanese girl who made me crazy... that's why I "must" stay here... and in order to stay here, I "must" find happiness at CAL, in Taiwan. It is possible to do so, I believe... But, sometimes, when I am eating my lunch alone quietly, I hear LOUD complains from my back disrupting my peace. That's what I hate about more than anything else. That's why I hope everyone just goes back home and complains at home, so that I can at least maintain my peace... Got it???
I never said CAL is great or they have not lied. I am just trying to be positive no matter what situation I am in.
By the way, yes, I am from Japan, but have spent more than 15 years in USA and worked for American. Japan is a good place, so is USA and Canada. And, this girl is making me believe that Taiwan is also a great country... that's why I am so sensitive to any comments against Taiwan... That's all, brothers!!!
I wish you all a happy life, and make sure you always fly high and safe. Banff is a great place, man!!!
I never intended to disrespect the Canadian pilots as whole. Just because some of your former comments SOUNDED like disrespecting the Taiwanese people, non-native English speakers, and Taiwan itself to me... that's why I tried to counter-attack you. Yah, I admit, some of my comments were childish and out of the points. Again, I never really tried to disrespect Canada. (I have been there for five times myself.)
Well, I never tried to defend CAL either. Thanks for worrying about my possibly "miserable" life. But, it is not too bad actually. As I mentioned before, it's all about a girl. A beautiful Taiwanese girl who made me crazy... that's why I "must" stay here... and in order to stay here, I "must" find happiness at CAL, in Taiwan. It is possible to do so, I believe... But, sometimes, when I am eating my lunch alone quietly, I hear LOUD complains from my back disrupting my peace. That's what I hate about more than anything else. That's why I hope everyone just goes back home and complains at home, so that I can at least maintain my peace... Got it???
I never said CAL is great or they have not lied. I am just trying to be positive no matter what situation I am in.
By the way, yes, I am from Japan, but have spent more than 15 years in USA and worked for American. Japan is a good place, so is USA and Canada. And, this girl is making me believe that Taiwan is also a great country... that's why I am so sensitive to any comments against Taiwan... That's all, brothers!!!
I wish you all a happy life, and make sure you always fly high and safe. Banff is a great place, man!!!
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Back to the point?
Hi there guys.
I like your messages, very informative. I hate to interupt a good scrap but I was wondering if anyone could tell me some more about the selection process?
I've had the phone pre interview, which went pretty much as you all said it would. Now, how long until they call me for a formal interview? If they do that is.
I can understand why some of you guys would be pissed off at the place, broken promises and not as many benefits as other airlines, not as much money and so on. But for me it is a big step. You see, I have no jet time. None, zero. So even though it will mean a bit of a pay cut for me from my turbo prop job, it is a move in a whole new direction. Not that you care, but those are my reasons for applying, even after all the crap everyone threw at CAL.
So, what do you think? 2 weeks? 2 months? Just curious.
Thanks, and good luck!
I like your messages, very informative. I hate to interupt a good scrap but I was wondering if anyone could tell me some more about the selection process?
I've had the phone pre interview, which went pretty much as you all said it would. Now, how long until they call me for a formal interview? If they do that is.
I can understand why some of you guys would be pissed off at the place, broken promises and not as many benefits as other airlines, not as much money and so on. But for me it is a big step. You see, I have no jet time. None, zero. So even though it will mean a bit of a pay cut for me from my turbo prop job, it is a move in a whole new direction. Not that you care, but those are my reasons for applying, even after all the crap everyone threw at CAL.
So, what do you think? 2 weeks? 2 months? Just curious.
Thanks, and good luck!
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Ahhhh a woman....
TaiwanP,
Well that explains a lot......what men will not do for a good woman! I wish you the best of luck in Taiwan. Hopefully you can win her heart and get back home to show her a even nicer place to live! We had a saying in our apartment at old renei lu and the was you come to CAL with two buckets.........
One bucket for Money...
One bucket for Sh*t.....
Guess which bucket fills up the quickest for most of us! I applaud you for staying positive and I can honestly say admire you for what you are doing. I went to Cal after my furlough at AC and intended to stay the five years but when I personally looked at the buckets the money bucket was laughing at me............and I made more than almost every cojo in the company as I was rated with 2000 hrs on type...........but the lies, the training, the 90 hr AIR TIME months.......it is all not worth you health! Even for a woman bro........I left for my sanity, my health, and to take a stand against the lies........ Good thing I will NEVER go back............I know I know NEVER say NEVER..........Well I WILL NEVER FLY ON OR FOR CAL AS LONG AS I LIVE NOR WILL ANYONE IN MY FAMILY OR IMMEDIATE CIRCLES OF FRIENDS............that is how strongly I feel about what I saw there..........
Good luck bro!
Pitot
PS man u get a NRT overnight let me know I will buy ya a beer..........
Well that explains a lot......what men will not do for a good woman! I wish you the best of luck in Taiwan. Hopefully you can win her heart and get back home to show her a even nicer place to live! We had a saying in our apartment at old renei lu and the was you come to CAL with two buckets.........
One bucket for Money...
One bucket for Sh*t.....
Guess which bucket fills up the quickest for most of us! I applaud you for staying positive and I can honestly say admire you for what you are doing. I went to Cal after my furlough at AC and intended to stay the five years but when I personally looked at the buckets the money bucket was laughing at me............and I made more than almost every cojo in the company as I was rated with 2000 hrs on type...........but the lies, the training, the 90 hr AIR TIME months.......it is all not worth you health! Even for a woman bro........I left for my sanity, my health, and to take a stand against the lies........ Good thing I will NEVER go back............I know I know NEVER say NEVER..........Well I WILL NEVER FLY ON OR FOR CAL AS LONG AS I LIVE NOR WILL ANYONE IN MY FAMILY OR IMMEDIATE CIRCLES OF FRIENDS............that is how strongly I feel about what I saw there..........
Good luck bro!
Pitot
PS man u get a NRT overnight let me know I will buy ya a beer..........
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Hey Pitotman and 29Chev...
Really missing you guys! Its not the same without you. CaL is the same unfortunately. They aint so smart....
as I mentioned in prev post to any hopefulls, it is a revolving door here! Think about it...there is a reason for this! Don't think that it is all just complaining and you will come here and be happy! This is not just whining...this is professionals telling the facts so as to inform and help anyone else thinking about going there. The facts speak for themeselves. If CAL wanted to keep people they know what to do..but they don't. Anyway...all you guys out there considering Cal, think long and hard at your options before committing. Don't listen to TWparadise. 29 and pitot have been there and they are the best source for anyone considering going there. They can tell you exactly what the deal is there. No company is perfect.....but there are big differences between companies....and you gotta look at the big picture. TWparadise makes it seem like every company is the same. So I guess CAL is the same as CX????? NO!! Think about it brothers...anyone considering a 3-5 year commitement at CAL. If there are any other options...go elsewhere. My friend was at CAL for 3 months and left for a Middle East company. That is not complaining...that is a fact! Think about it man!!!!
Btw Pitot and 29, guess what CAL is up to lately....No more BC ecm....only economy. Accross the board change with no warning. Wonder how long that will last?? lol.
29, will give you a jingle soon. Kinda busy lately. Can't wait for the Argentina game tomorrow.....
Cheers boys.
Really missing you guys! Its not the same without you. CaL is the same unfortunately. They aint so smart....
as I mentioned in prev post to any hopefulls, it is a revolving door here! Think about it...there is a reason for this! Don't think that it is all just complaining and you will come here and be happy! This is not just whining...this is professionals telling the facts so as to inform and help anyone else thinking about going there. The facts speak for themeselves. If CAL wanted to keep people they know what to do..but they don't. Anyway...all you guys out there considering Cal, think long and hard at your options before committing. Don't listen to TWparadise. 29 and pitot have been there and they are the best source for anyone considering going there. They can tell you exactly what the deal is there. No company is perfect.....but there are big differences between companies....and you gotta look at the big picture. TWparadise makes it seem like every company is the same. So I guess CAL is the same as CX????? NO!! Think about it brothers...anyone considering a 3-5 year commitement at CAL. If there are any other options...go elsewhere. My friend was at CAL for 3 months and left for a Middle East company. That is not complaining...that is a fact! Think about it man!!!!
Btw Pitot and 29, guess what CAL is up to lately....No more BC ecm....only economy. Accross the board change with no warning. Wonder how long that will last?? lol.
29, will give you a jingle soon. Kinda busy lately. Can't wait for the Argentina game tomorrow.....
Cheers boys.
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Just read some prev posts. Anyone considering CAL go back to Crossbleed's last post. He nails the reality pretty accurately in my opinion. Its really all about the insurance company I think. If there wasn't a req to have expats there...for diversification...they wouldn't be there.
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In one of my rare momentry lapses of reason, I scanned this site and caught up with this thread. I am astounded at Taiwan Paradises comments. You are an ASS TP. I live in a country so multi-cultural that no one generally gives a rats ass where you come from. Then you come along and rant some ****e that everyone else is racist,prejidice and superior and then do a u-turn and tell the world your in love!!!! You just wanna sit in the corner and eat your lunch in peace and quiet.That explains alot. Are you a pilot or HR for CAL. Come on, fess up.
EHhhhh.. and to top it off you say you are Japanese. Dont turn me off my favorite cultural, culinary and chickybabe experiences.
I worked for CAL because I was promised, YES PROMISED a command which never eventuated.Yeh yeh I know, I wasnt good enough ,RIGHT. NO, simply because managment are full of it. I became a baby sitter for inexperienced kids who need their asses wiped or whipped!!!! I also would never put my family on one of their flights now that I know better.
Also, be warned, Your Taiwan licence aint worth the paper its written on. After that little rant of mine, the managment asked everyone to input why so many expats were leaving.. HAAhhhaahaHHAHA.. Do you know why?
chief pilot trying to cover his ass to vice prez.
EHhhhh.. and to top it off you say you are Japanese. Dont turn me off my favorite cultural, culinary and chickybabe experiences.
I worked for CAL because I was promised, YES PROMISED a command which never eventuated.Yeh yeh I know, I wasnt good enough ,RIGHT. NO, simply because managment are full of it. I became a baby sitter for inexperienced kids who need their asses wiped or whipped!!!! I also would never put my family on one of their flights now that I know better.
Also, be warned, Your Taiwan licence aint worth the paper its written on. After that little rant of mine, the managment asked everyone to input why so many expats were leaving.. HAAhhhaahaHHAHA.. Do you know why?chief pilot trying to cover his ass to vice prez.
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Hi,
I worked for CAL for about 3 years.I was really surprised when I read the Taiwanparadise post, but was relieved when the explanation came.
The truth is YOU CAN'T TRUST THEM!CAL does not honor any of the benefits promised to you.
1) FORGET ABOUT UPGRADE!!
2) TERMS AND CONDITIONS WERE DETERIORATING ON A DAILY BASIS!
3) BACK TO BACK LEAVES ARE NOT THE WAY THEY USED TO BE!
4) REPORTING TIME WAS 02:20 PRIOR TO STD AND HAD TO RIDE A BUS WITH 2 744 CREW. JUST IMAGINE 34 OR SO TAIWANESES EATING IN TAIWAN'S STYLE!
5) CHIEF PILOT AND MOST OF THE SIM AND LINE INSTRUCTORS WERE NOT ABLE TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING APART FROM THOSE STUPID NUMBERS THAT THEY LIKE TO MEMORIZE!
6) CIRCLING APP PROCEDURE BASED ONLY IN NUMBERS THAT I HAD TO MEMORIZE ( I SELDOM SAW PILOTS IN THE SIM LOOKING TO THE RUNWAY.THE COMMON PRACTICE WAS TO LOOK TO THE MAP DISPLAY AND DO THAT 70, 80 OR 90 DEGREES TURN ALWAY FROM THE FINAL TRACK DEPENDING ON THE WIND), BEST SUITED FOR ENGINEERS!!!
7) POOR PILOT SKILLS (SOMETIMES SCARING)
8) TAIWANESE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO LEAVE TOGETHER AND HOW TO RESPECT EACH OTHER.(i.e they enter in the elevator before you leave, they speed up in order to not allow you to cross the street, eat like
, and the list goes on...)
9) THE WEATHER IS TERRIBLE AND IT RAINS 70% OF THE YEAR!
10) THE POLUTION IS TERRIBLE!
11) THE CITY IS UGLY AND THE TAXI AND BUS DRIVERS CAN MAKE YOU VOMIT IN LESS THAN 5 MIN!!!
12) TV IS POOR WITH SOME OF THE FEW ENGLISH CHANNELS SHOWING PROGRAMS DATED FROM 1999!!!!!
13) POLITICS MADE ME LAUGH MANY TIMES!!!!!
Well, after all of this, I decided to move on to another airline.Like someone said in one of the posts, there is no perfect airline, no perfect pilot, no perfect husband.... but I think one should not stay in a place that makes you upset and frustrated 99% of the time.
Before someone talks about racism, I don't consider myself better than anyone! English, as you could see, is not my native language and I do have a lot of respect for those expats working for CAL once they are the ones responsible to keep CAL out of the NEWS.:
While in CAL, I had the opportunity to go to Japan many times and you just can't compare the Japanese culture with the taiwanese one.
For those who are considering CAL that's what I have to say:
CONSIDER IT AS YOUR LAST CHOICE!!!
SIA CARGO, JAL, AIR MACAU, CATHAY, VALUE AIR, JETSTAR, DRAGON, NAC, AIR DO,ETIHAD, EMIRATES, RIYANAIR, EASYJET, NETJETS, ...... they all offer a better career and enviromental for you.
Take care and fly safe!
PIRA
I worked for CAL for about 3 years.I was really surprised when I read the Taiwanparadise post, but was relieved when the explanation came.
The truth is YOU CAN'T TRUST THEM!CAL does not honor any of the benefits promised to you.
1) FORGET ABOUT UPGRADE!!
2) TERMS AND CONDITIONS WERE DETERIORATING ON A DAILY BASIS!
3) BACK TO BACK LEAVES ARE NOT THE WAY THEY USED TO BE!
4) REPORTING TIME WAS 02:20 PRIOR TO STD AND HAD TO RIDE A BUS WITH 2 744 CREW. JUST IMAGINE 34 OR SO TAIWANESES EATING IN TAIWAN'S STYLE!
5) CHIEF PILOT AND MOST OF THE SIM AND LINE INSTRUCTORS WERE NOT ABLE TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING APART FROM THOSE STUPID NUMBERS THAT THEY LIKE TO MEMORIZE!
6) CIRCLING APP PROCEDURE BASED ONLY IN NUMBERS THAT I HAD TO MEMORIZE ( I SELDOM SAW PILOTS IN THE SIM LOOKING TO THE RUNWAY.THE COMMON PRACTICE WAS TO LOOK TO THE MAP DISPLAY AND DO THAT 70, 80 OR 90 DEGREES TURN ALWAY FROM THE FINAL TRACK DEPENDING ON THE WIND), BEST SUITED FOR ENGINEERS!!!
7) POOR PILOT SKILLS (SOMETIMES SCARING)
8) TAIWANESE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO LEAVE TOGETHER AND HOW TO RESPECT EACH OTHER.(i.e they enter in the elevator before you leave, they speed up in order to not allow you to cross the street, eat like
, and the list goes on...)9) THE WEATHER IS TERRIBLE AND IT RAINS 70% OF THE YEAR!
10) THE POLUTION IS TERRIBLE!
11) THE CITY IS UGLY AND THE TAXI AND BUS DRIVERS CAN MAKE YOU VOMIT IN LESS THAN 5 MIN!!!
12) TV IS POOR WITH SOME OF THE FEW ENGLISH CHANNELS SHOWING PROGRAMS DATED FROM 1999!!!!!
13) POLITICS MADE ME LAUGH MANY TIMES!!!!!
Well, after all of this, I decided to move on to another airline.Like someone said in one of the posts, there is no perfect airline, no perfect pilot, no perfect husband.... but I think one should not stay in a place that makes you upset and frustrated 99% of the time.
Before someone talks about racism, I don't consider myself better than anyone! English, as you could see, is not my native language and I do have a lot of respect for those expats working for CAL once they are the ones responsible to keep CAL out of the NEWS.:
While in CAL, I had the opportunity to go to Japan many times and you just can't compare the Japanese culture with the taiwanese one.
For those who are considering CAL that's what I have to say:
CONSIDER IT AS YOUR LAST CHOICE!!!
SIA CARGO, JAL, AIR MACAU, CATHAY, VALUE AIR, JETSTAR, DRAGON, NAC, AIR DO,ETIHAD, EMIRATES, RIYANAIR, EASYJET, NETJETS, ...... they all offer a better career and enviromental for you.
Take care and fly safe!
PIRA
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TW paradise...where did you go?
I wanna hear what you have to say to everyone after you have so clearlystated that the best way to be happy in life is to be a door-mat and never fight for what you think is right. Boooy.. you must be good at taking up the rear in every aspect of your life eh?? Me thinks your not from the USA either. People from the US don't behave this way. Maybe you just took flight school there???
Anyway...you make a perfect doormat. If I had a company I want employee's like you...so I can take max advantage of you and give all the value to the shareholder..so I can be rewarded for my performance. HEY! YOU FIGURED IT OUT!! Guess what dimwit...you figured it out...that is why employees as a group have to have strength together...so they can "as a body" fight for some of the benefits they deserve...and find that "balance" between the employees and the shareholders. A smart company will do this anyway...because a happy company has good performance and lower costs. CAL doesn't do this. And that is where the complaining comes in...people are trying to find a common ground. And we all have a right to it.
1. Everyone has rights. A right to be treated professionally, a right to stand up when they are not, a right to a good working environment, and reward where reward is due. AND A RIGHT TO COMPLAIN WITH COLLEAGUES/FRIENDS. It is always mutual. the complaining is a way of finding out if your buddies are on the same page as you....you know, strength in numbers creates better representation. If you don't like your colleagues complaining...tell him...if you are too weak to do that...you have no business being in a cockpit. (sounds like you)
2. No-on I have ever known will complain to someone they don't know...and are not comfy with. Even the locals complain, but only after you become comfortable with each other. The problem is the locals are gennerally against the expat...so perfect for the shareholder....DIVIDE AND CONQUER! That is why the local only gets half the pay the expat does.
3. Every company IS different. Yes ..every company will lie a little or alot, but they are NOT all the same...and many are a great deal better than CAL and the one you work for (CAL). So don't generalize them all the same. I have worked for companies where I had small complaints but everything was great...now I work for a company that is just a complete disaster and needs alot of changes. All of management and HR should be replaced. The point of this thread THAT YOU ARE TO DIM TO FIGURE OUT is to educate people into making the proper decision as they do have choices in this great upmarket.
You are def not a pilot....otherwise you would know and thank us for our info. Because we are just trying to help any pilot that is thinking of this place. So throttle down "brother"...
We are not against you....we could shut up if we didnt care.. ..but then everyone would say...why didn't you tell me!
This is about information...how you read it and if you take offence is more about you than anything else. AFter all THIS IS A FORUM DIMWIT!
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I wanna hear what you have to say to everyone after you have so clearlystated that the best way to be happy in life is to be a door-mat and never fight for what you think is right. Boooy.. you must be good at taking up the rear in every aspect of your life eh?? Me thinks your not from the USA either. People from the US don't behave this way. Maybe you just took flight school there???
Anyway...you make a perfect doormat. If I had a company I want employee's like you...so I can take max advantage of you and give all the value to the shareholder..so I can be rewarded for my performance. HEY! YOU FIGURED IT OUT!! Guess what dimwit...you figured it out...that is why employees as a group have to have strength together...so they can "as a body" fight for some of the benefits they deserve...and find that "balance" between the employees and the shareholders. A smart company will do this anyway...because a happy company has good performance and lower costs. CAL doesn't do this. And that is where the complaining comes in...people are trying to find a common ground. And we all have a right to it.
1. Everyone has rights. A right to be treated professionally, a right to stand up when they are not, a right to a good working environment, and reward where reward is due. AND A RIGHT TO COMPLAIN WITH COLLEAGUES/FRIENDS. It is always mutual. the complaining is a way of finding out if your buddies are on the same page as you....you know, strength in numbers creates better representation. If you don't like your colleagues complaining...tell him...if you are too weak to do that...you have no business being in a cockpit. (sounds like you)
2. No-on I have ever known will complain to someone they don't know...and are not comfy with. Even the locals complain, but only after you become comfortable with each other. The problem is the locals are gennerally against the expat...so perfect for the shareholder....DIVIDE AND CONQUER! That is why the local only gets half the pay the expat does.
3. Every company IS different. Yes ..every company will lie a little or alot, but they are NOT all the same...and many are a great deal better than CAL and the one you work for (CAL). So don't generalize them all the same. I have worked for companies where I had small complaints but everything was great...now I work for a company that is just a complete disaster and needs alot of changes. All of management and HR should be replaced. The point of this thread THAT YOU ARE TO DIM TO FIGURE OUT is to educate people into making the proper decision as they do have choices in this great upmarket.
You are def not a pilot....otherwise you would know and thank us for our info. Because we are just trying to help any pilot that is thinking of this place. So throttle down "brother"...
We are not against you....we could shut up if we didnt care.. ..but then everyone would say...why didn't you tell me!
This is about information...how you read it and if you take offence is more about you than anything else. AFter all THIS IS A FORUM DIMWIT!
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Orange555.....
I agree with you that everyone has rights......unfortunately these rights are not respected or even recognised all over the world.....some countries don't even respect basic human rights let alone...."right to be treated professionally".....I guess my question is.....rather than "complaining" .....what can we (from a world where there are 'rights') do to make a difference?
Pira....
What does "eating" has to do with CAL?.....every culture has different ways of eating.......some with their fingers...some use chopsticks...some use knife and fork.....you get my drift......
You say their piloting skills are "poor' and even "scaring".....if that is the case....how can they improve unless someone trains them?.....and circling app procedures......are these based on the manufacturer's (boeing/airbus) FCTM or is it their own?
and guys....
even if it is about "insurance requirements" to have expats flying with CAL.....if this improves safety for the aviation world.....its got to be a positive thing?....
I agree with you that everyone has rights......unfortunately these rights are not respected or even recognised all over the world.....some countries don't even respect basic human rights let alone...."right to be treated professionally".....I guess my question is.....rather than "complaining" .....what can we (from a world where there are 'rights') do to make a difference?
Pira....
What does "eating" has to do with CAL?.....every culture has different ways of eating.......some with their fingers...some use chopsticks...some use knife and fork.....you get my drift......
You say their piloting skills are "poor' and even "scaring".....if that is the case....how can they improve unless someone trains them?.....and circling app procedures......are these based on the manufacturer's (boeing/airbus) FCTM or is it their own?
and guys....
even if it is about "insurance requirements" to have expats flying with CAL.....if this improves safety for the aviation world.....its got to be a positive thing?....
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Fender.....
Why do you refer to them as kids?......are they that much younger than you?.....I find your comments a bit condescending and patronising....I am sure some of them are of the same age as you if not older so at least show some respect for that....
if you are refering to their flying skills then state the facts......sure...your family may not be on their flight....but their flight might be over your home!!!.....I am not tryng to defend them.....i am trying to see how those who has the skills and know how help those who don't and make it safer for everyone.....
their skills and experience may not be on the same level as yours......but think about it.....put yourself in their shoes......think back when your level of skills and experience were the same as theirs and someone says to you....."I'll give you a command on a 747-400, but don't worry we'll train you and there will be someone there with heaps of experience to look after you"....what would you do? .....knock it back or jump at the opportunity?
Why do you refer to them as kids?......are they that much younger than you?.....I find your comments a bit condescending and patronising....I am sure some of them are of the same age as you if not older so at least show some respect for that....
if you are refering to their flying skills then state the facts......sure...your family may not be on their flight....but their flight might be over your home!!!.....I am not tryng to defend them.....i am trying to see how those who has the skills and know how help those who don't and make it safer for everyone.....
their skills and experience may not be on the same level as yours......but think about it.....put yourself in their shoes......think back when your level of skills and experience were the same as theirs and someone says to you....."I'll give you a command on a 747-400, but don't worry we'll train you and there will be someone there with heaps of experience to look after you"....what would you do? .....knock it back or jump at the opportunity?
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MonK,
as I said before, those things were difficult to me, the culture change was too much for me and for many others.
The fact they are selfish, sorry for the word, but is a FACT! They just don't know how to live in a society.That's my point of view and I do respect those who disagree.
Most of the procedures, including the circling app, are not from Boeing. They are created to adapt the common sense and expected level of airmanship presented in the Boeing FCTM into a Mathematical formula that can be memorized by them.
Once again, I don't intend to criticise any culture, society or company, but I honestly think that there are lots of better options in the world right now.
Pilots applying for CAL must understand that they will not get what is written on the contract and that they will not have a career.I CAN GUARANTEE THIS!!
If someone feels that this is his time to move, to go to somewhere different or even to get some widebody experience, I think this is fine, but don't go for a career and be prepared to live in an Island that has, at least, 2 earthquakes a week and some Hurricane seasons.
To answer your question more clearly, eating has a lot to do with CAL.I don't know if you have worked in the Far East or CAL specifically, but it is very difficult for many of the expats to deal with the chinese habits.It is just completely different and, although you are in a different society and culture it is very, very difficult to deal with it on a daily basis.
It is difficult to eat your poor crew meal in the cockpit and go to the toilet and see all the flight attendants eating first and businness class meals.And you know what? You can't complain!
MONK I'll tell you something.Any airline has it's own problems, but "orange55 said it precisely.You deserve to be treated well, professionaly and politely.This is a right that you have and you should never be satisfied with less than that! I don't expect any perfect job as I don't expect to be perfect myself, but I did move to be in peace with my mind, to restore my dignity, and to be proud to be a pilot.
In my opinion, as I said, this is the minimum "benefit" that an employer can give to an employee and, in CAL, you don't get this "minimum" package.
Hope I maid it clear now.
Best regards and fly safe,
Pira
as I said before, those things were difficult to me, the culture change was too much for me and for many others.
The fact they are selfish, sorry for the word, but is a FACT! They just don't know how to live in a society.That's my point of view and I do respect those who disagree.
Most of the procedures, including the circling app, are not from Boeing. They are created to adapt the common sense and expected level of airmanship presented in the Boeing FCTM into a Mathematical formula that can be memorized by them.
Once again, I don't intend to criticise any culture, society or company, but I honestly think that there are lots of better options in the world right now.
Pilots applying for CAL must understand that they will not get what is written on the contract and that they will not have a career.I CAN GUARANTEE THIS!!
If someone feels that this is his time to move, to go to somewhere different or even to get some widebody experience, I think this is fine, but don't go for a career and be prepared to live in an Island that has, at least, 2 earthquakes a week and some
Hurricane seasons.To answer your question more clearly, eating has a lot to do with CAL.I don't know if you have worked in the Far East or CAL specifically, but it is very difficult for many of the expats to deal with the chinese habits.It is just completely different and, although you are in a different society and culture it is very, very difficult to deal with it on a daily basis.
It is difficult to eat your poor crew meal in the cockpit and go to the toilet and see all the flight attendants eating first and businness class meals.And you know what? You can't complain!
MONK I'll tell you something.Any airline has it's own problems, but "orange55 said it precisely.You deserve to be treated well, professionaly and politely.This is a right that you have and you should never be satisfied with less than that! I don't expect any perfect job as I don't expect to be perfect myself, but I did move to be in peace with my mind, to restore my dignity, and to be proud to be a pilot.
In my opinion, as I said, this is the minimum "benefit" that an employer can give to an employee and, in CAL, you don't get this "minimum" package.
Hope I maid it clear now.
Best regards and fly safe,
Pira
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Hi Monk..
Well Taiwan is actually not that bad for human rights...the government is the "Democratic Progressive Party", and the court system is alive and well where people of all walks of life settle disputes. In fact I even have my own lawyer friend here that practices family law. I know what you mean about some countries not having human rights, but that doesn't apply here.
As far as complaining goes...this is less about my own complaining and more about trying to educate others who are thinking of coming here to help them make the right decisions if they have options. Think of it as "voicing concern" rather than complaining. I am not negative by nature...there really are major problems with this company. I AM being proactive by helping others make the right decision...it is just another way of being effective and helping the company "get the message" so they can fix things.
As far as what can we do to fix things...I might ask you the same question. You well know that any attempts to have meetings or make suggestions fall on deaf ears. In fact we as a group of foriegners are largely placated to placidity so no ripples are felt up at the top level. I am all open to fixes, but I am not taking the chance to be around long enough to see if any will happen....
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Well Taiwan is actually not that bad for human rights...the government is the "Democratic Progressive Party", and the court system is alive and well where people of all walks of life settle disputes. In fact I even have my own lawyer friend here that practices family law. I know what you mean about some countries not having human rights, but that doesn't apply here.
As far as complaining goes...this is less about my own complaining and more about trying to educate others who are thinking of coming here to help them make the right decisions if they have options. Think of it as "voicing concern" rather than complaining. I am not negative by nature...there really are major problems with this company. I AM being proactive by helping others make the right decision...it is just another way of being effective and helping the company "get the message" so they can fix things.
As far as what can we do to fix things...I might ask you the same question. You well know that any attempts to have meetings or make suggestions fall on deaf ears. In fact we as a group of foriegners are largely placated to placidity so no ripples are felt up at the top level. I am all open to fixes, but I am not taking the chance to be around long enough to see if any will happen....
Orange