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Guys,
Does anyone have a copy of the SIAC advert stating $7000pm PPA?
The link no longer exists on the company website.
Need it for some ground work in the office.
PM me, or just post what you saved in your C: file here for all to see.
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Does anyone have a copy of the SIAC advert stating $7000pm PPA?
The link no longer exists on the company website.
Need it for some ground work in the office.
PM me, or just post what you saved in your C: file here for all to see.
Sharing is caring, remember
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The website used to show for Captains S$7000 per month but now shows it as only $5500 per month which is no doubt a bit more realistic.This changed months and months ago as I recall.
The website used to show for Captains S$7000 per month but now shows it as only $5500 per month which is no doubt a bit more realistic.This changed months and months ago as I recall.
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First Officer Class in May?
Has anyone else been notified that there is an FO class in May of 2007?
I interviewed in June of 06 and was recently notified that there will be a class in May 2007.
Have the terms of employment changed regarding pay and allowances?
Any info would be most helpful.
I interviewed in June of 06 and was recently notified that there will be a class in May 2007.
Have the terms of employment changed regarding pay and allowances?
Any info would be most helpful.
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regards your desire to have a copy of the $7,000/month lie,
I have a copy of this infamous piece of BS. I hear through the grapevine that a few pilots have used it to their advantage. I may do the same in the near future.
"Need it for some ground work in the office" ???
Uh, are you management? I've never known an office type/CP that could be trusted to do anything but promote his own career. If so, tough s--t.
If you are just a cargo schlepp like me, be glad to share. Send me a PM
PQ
regards your desire to have a copy of the $7,000/month lie,
I have a copy of this infamous piece of BS. I hear through the grapevine that a few pilots have used it to their advantage. I may do the same in the near future.
"Need it for some ground work in the office" ???
Uh, are you management? I've never known an office type/CP that could be trusted to do anything but promote his own career. If so, tough s--t.
If you are just a cargo schlepp like me, be glad to share. Send me a PM
PQ
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Who, me?
Dude,
Yes, as a matter of fact I am in the office.
And because I have the opportunity, I am going to find out who you are. And I am going to screw you badly for having the temerity to suggest I could be in the office, most holy of sanctuaries that it is.
Just kidding
Gotcha, didn't I.
Hee hee hee...suckerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
Actually, I'm just a cargo-carrying, ****-kicking schlepp like you. But perhaps unlike you, or not, I have just done my figures for the previous calendar year and find my monthly PPA sadly lacking.
This has made me like you in that I am not just incensed, I am ******* enraged.
If I forward purchase 7000 apples at market then go to market to get the apples, I have every right to expect delivery. This is contract law.
We (better word than I, don't you think, and more in keeping with the excellent CRM we practice in the simulator, wouldn't you say?) might be on the CBOT floor 'buyin bellies', or settling a trade on the CME (up 1.7%), covering swaps on the NYSE or forward purchasing USDs on the LIFFE (it's easy money. G'back is gunna tank, than recover mightily, so all in all, not a bad bet).
We might even, heaven forbid, take a riskier trade, one that involves engaging SQ in a promise of payment for which we agree to bind our dicks to a tree on the ECP for five long years (and eight fecking months).
Leveraged or non-leveraged, T-bills or OJ, taking delivery or rolling over.
Whatever; we are still entitled to 7000 apples.
To get 4303 apples and be told "be happy" is, shall we say, mildly nuts. Hell, why not settle for 50?
I get paid to make big decisions, so listen up (here comes the big swingin' dick now).
E-pay, b-pay or visa the bill. I don't care. Send me a smoke signal from STC when the coin is in. I could care less. Just "show me the money".
Gggrrrrrrrr.
Okay, rant over.
Now about that hard copy; thanks, but a kindred soul has already forwarded the evidence.
Yes, as a matter of fact I am in the office.
And because I have the opportunity, I am going to find out who you are. And I am going to screw you badly for having the temerity to suggest I could be in the office, most holy of sanctuaries that it is.
Just kidding
Gotcha, didn't I.
Hee hee hee...suckerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
Actually, I'm just a cargo-carrying, ****-kicking schlepp like you. But perhaps unlike you, or not, I have just done my figures for the previous calendar year and find my monthly PPA sadly lacking.
This has made me like you in that I am not just incensed, I am ******* enraged.
If I forward purchase 7000 apples at market then go to market to get the apples, I have every right to expect delivery. This is contract law.
We (better word than I, don't you think, and more in keeping with the excellent CRM we practice in the simulator, wouldn't you say?) might be on the CBOT floor 'buyin bellies', or settling a trade on the CME (up 1.7%), covering swaps on the NYSE or forward purchasing USDs on the LIFFE (it's easy money. G'back is gunna tank, than recover mightily, so all in all, not a bad bet).
We might even, heaven forbid, take a riskier trade, one that involves engaging SQ in a promise of payment for which we agree to bind our dicks to a tree on the ECP for five long years (and eight fecking months).
Leveraged or non-leveraged, T-bills or OJ, taking delivery or rolling over.
Whatever; we are still entitled to 7000 apples.
To get 4303 apples and be told "be happy" is, shall we say, mildly nuts. Hell, why not settle for 50?
I get paid to make big decisions, so listen up (here comes the big swingin' dick now).
E-pay, b-pay or visa the bill. I don't care. Send me a smoke signal from STC when the coin is in. I could care less. Just "show me the money".
Gggrrrrrrrr.
Okay, rant over.
Now about that hard copy; thanks, but a kindred soul has already forwarded the evidence.
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hey 4PW
that was an advert only but is it a leagally binding document. i know we all had expectations of receiving this amount but will it hold in a court of law.
a suggestion we ought make a cohesive representation for this as a minimum.
just a thought
that was an advert only but is it a leagally binding document. i know we all had expectations of receiving this amount but will it hold in a court of law.
a suggestion we ought make a cohesive representation for this as a minimum.
just a thought
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Guys . You are wasting your time if you think you can persuade SQ that the mentioned S$7000 per month was anything but a guide.
We all thought when we joined years ago that the 6% Service increment was set in stone. We soon discovered it was not in the '97 financial crisis where despite still making $1 Billion profit SQ did not want to pay any service increment. We eventually got around 3% after years of haggling. Did not realise that they could also cut our pay whenever they felt like it which they did a few years later.
We all thought when we joined years ago that the 6% Service increment was set in stone. We soon discovered it was not in the '97 financial crisis where despite still making $1 Billion profit SQ did not want to pay any service increment. We eventually got around 3% after years of haggling. Did not realise that they could also cut our pay whenever they felt like it which they did a few years later.
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Yeah, you had me going. I admit it but don't tell my friends. I was ready to find your warm beer drinking limey ass and kick it back home. Know how I can tell? You use words I can barely pronounce let alone spell.
Am happy to hear that you have received the document in question. Yes, as Mr. Positive (Millerscourt) profoundly stated, it has more loopholes than my marriage contract. However, I believe it will be valuable in one's overall package at resignation time.
To the cool-aid drinking dudley do-rights who are appalled at the idea of one asking for relief on the bond when resigning and let SIA have their BG; a man's word is a man's word bu----it; is that a two way street? Does not SIAC have the same responsibiblity when it comes to integrity? I have a list as long as my Johnson of the lies, misinformation that SIAC has given me in my relatively short tenure. You see, I took good notes at the interview. At the very least it will be fun to rattle the cage and watch the rapidly blinking eyes.
Oh, as a point of reference. I was told at the interview that the reason for the bond is to cover the cost of our training. What is the bond? S$142,000 around there? I called Alteon training in Seattle. The cost of a B-744 type rating course is USD $13,042. Finished in four weeks and I bet one wouldn't have had to say "roger" and "check" every five seconds. Agreed, that cost does not include line training. I don't know about you guys, but my line training was not "training".
Just in case some of you are now thinking I am another bitter old fart that doesn't see any good in anything: I LIKE Singapore, I LIKE the jet, I LIKE the guys I fly with, I LIKE the layovers/hotels, I LIKE the weather, I LIKE the local people,etc...
I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT I AM EARNING $2-3000/MONTH LESS THAN I WAS TOLD I WOULD MAKE DURING THE INTERVIEW AND BY SAID DOCUMENT!
As my new "mate" 4 PW's so eloquently stated: "Show me the money"! and you'll never hear from PQ again. Keep the blue side up.
Yeah, you had me going. I admit it but don't tell my friends. I was ready to find your warm beer drinking limey ass and kick it back home. Know how I can tell? You use words I can barely pronounce let alone spell.
Am happy to hear that you have received the document in question. Yes, as Mr. Positive (Millerscourt) profoundly stated, it has more loopholes than my marriage contract. However, I believe it will be valuable in one's overall package at resignation time.
To the cool-aid drinking dudley do-rights who are appalled at the idea of one asking for relief on the bond when resigning and let SIA have their BG; a man's word is a man's word bu----it; is that a two way street? Does not SIAC have the same responsibiblity when it comes to integrity? I have a list as long as my Johnson of the lies, misinformation that SIAC has given me in my relatively short tenure. You see, I took good notes at the interview. At the very least it will be fun to rattle the cage and watch the rapidly blinking eyes.
Oh, as a point of reference. I was told at the interview that the reason for the bond is to cover the cost of our training. What is the bond? S$142,000 around there? I called Alteon training in Seattle. The cost of a B-744 type rating course is USD $13,042. Finished in four weeks and I bet one wouldn't have had to say "roger" and "check" every five seconds. Agreed, that cost does not include line training. I don't know about you guys, but my line training was not "training".
Just in case some of you are now thinking I am another bitter old fart that doesn't see any good in anything: I LIKE Singapore, I LIKE the jet, I LIKE the guys I fly with, I LIKE the layovers/hotels, I LIKE the weather, I LIKE the local people,etc...
I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT I AM EARNING $2-3000/MONTH LESS THAN I WAS TOLD I WOULD MAKE DURING THE INTERVIEW AND BY SAID DOCUMENT!
As my new "mate" 4 PW's so eloquently stated: "Show me the money"! and you'll never hear from PQ again. Keep the blue side up.
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Best of luck if you resign before the end of your Bondage but don't forget they have your Bank Guarantee money which you can kiss goodbye to. Now whether they would pursue you any further for Bondage money through the courts would depend on how much you still owed and whether they think they will get it!! That would depend on where you go to after SQ. Everything is based on Singapore Law also as decreed by LKY so the result is a foregone conclusion.
PS Remain Positive!!
Best of luck if you resign before the end of your Bondage but don't forget they have your Bank Guarantee money which you can kiss goodbye to. Now whether they would pursue you any further for Bondage money through the courts would depend on how much you still owed and whether they think they will get it!! That would depend on where you go to after SQ. Everything is based on Singapore Law also as decreed by LKY so the result is a foregone conclusion.
PS Remain Positive!!
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Since you are so ungrateful and not satisfied with this company, why are you still hanging in SIA Cargo, firstly SQ Cargo didnot forced you to join them. You came to them begging for a job and if you have any pride, you so just leave. Do not spread unfounded rumours.
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If only it were that simple B744 local. The contract is one thing, but one also expects what one is told at interview, indeed, what was also boldly advertised in Flight International to be true.
We are consistently running $2-3000 pcm light on the $7k pcm allowances that was advertised in Flight. Why resign in a fit of pique when there are other avenues to pursue at leisure?
I can't speak for Warden or anyone else but I suspect that he is like me in so far as he most certainly didn't come "begging" for a job. In my case I had 4 options and chose SIA Cargo because of the advertised $7k pcm allowances.
Now heres an interesting concept. SIA Cargo pay what they advertised, we'll stop complaining and then neither you nor I will have anything to post on Pprune. Sound fair?
We are consistently running $2-3000 pcm light on the $7k pcm allowances that was advertised in Flight. Why resign in a fit of pique when there are other avenues to pursue at leisure?
I can't speak for Warden or anyone else but I suspect that he is like me in so far as he most certainly didn't come "begging" for a job. In my case I had 4 options and chose SIA Cargo because of the advertised $7k pcm allowances.
Now heres an interesting concept. SIA Cargo pay what they advertised, we'll stop complaining and then neither you nor I will have anything to post on Pprune. Sound fair?
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I know of people who did a 'runner' from SQ and got hounded for their bond but I know of others who went in to the office, put their case in a reasoned and non confrontational manner and had their bond reduced to a fraction of what was owed. As you know, 'face' is everything in SE Asia so if you display bad temper, irritability and try to take them head on expect to lose.
There are lawyers in Singapore who will take SIA on and have won, one that springs to mind has offices on North Bridge road, far end of the bridge on the right. Might be an idea to gather all your paper work and notes, adverts etc. etc. and let them tell you your contractual position in Singapore law rather than how you see it, which may be subjective.
There are lawyers in Singapore who will take SIA on and have won, one that springs to mind has offices on North Bridge road, far end of the bridge on the right. Might be an idea to gather all your paper work and notes, adverts etc. etc. and let them tell you your contractual position in Singapore law rather than how you see it, which may be subjective.
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Parabellum - wise words.
Our information is that at least one guy has done just as you stated. A reasoned argument and he surrendered his bank guarantee but was released from the remainder of the bond - and I believe he was only a year or so on line.
That is obviously the first and preferred approach but one needs to have plan (b) ready to go imho.
We will be sitting on the fence waiting for promised improvements to materialise
whilst keeping options open elsewhere
Our information is that at least one guy has done just as you stated. A reasoned argument and he surrendered his bank guarantee but was released from the remainder of the bond - and I believe he was only a year or so on line.
That is obviously the first and preferred approach but one needs to have plan (b) ready to go imho.
We will be sitting on the fence waiting for promised improvements to materialise
whilst keeping options open elsewhere
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dear 4PWs,
there is surely no reason to resort to petty and pathetic name calling. people have joined SIAC for whatever reasons they may have-for some it was neccesity, for others it was something to do in retirement from a previous employer for yet others still it was for a change of scene. seeing the ideas being thrown around here i wonder if allowances etc were guranteed at any time by SIAC. further if you planned you life based on a PPA of 7K a month and now only see 3K, whoose fault is it? SIAC for saying you might get 7K or yours for assuming you 'll get 7K.? interestingly-when you invest in a property or the stock market-do you assume that prices will always just go up without the chance of dropping? i think the same principle applies here. if you plan your life with assumptions that may not or needn't work out, don't moan when you get caught short.
for those who want to leave, do it as gentlemen. doing 'runners' will just mess things up for everyone-both those who stay as well as those who want to leave in the future , not forgetting future applicants as well.in any case more SIAC departures will mean more work for those left behind as well as mainline guys (thus perhaps pushing towards the coveted 7K figure!). i heard that SIAC plans to man 80% of its own COPS from april-guys leaving may affect that date but i'm fairly certain that SIAC will want to run their own show ASAP.
safe flying
there is surely no reason to resort to petty and pathetic name calling. people have joined SIAC for whatever reasons they may have-for some it was neccesity, for others it was something to do in retirement from a previous employer for yet others still it was for a change of scene. seeing the ideas being thrown around here i wonder if allowances etc were guranteed at any time by SIAC. further if you planned you life based on a PPA of 7K a month and now only see 3K, whoose fault is it? SIAC for saying you might get 7K or yours for assuming you 'll get 7K.? interestingly-when you invest in a property or the stock market-do you assume that prices will always just go up without the chance of dropping? i think the same principle applies here. if you plan your life with assumptions that may not or needn't work out, don't moan when you get caught short.
for those who want to leave, do it as gentlemen. doing 'runners' will just mess things up for everyone-both those who stay as well as those who want to leave in the future , not forgetting future applicants as well.in any case more SIAC departures will mean more work for those left behind as well as mainline guys (thus perhaps pushing towards the coveted 7K figure!). i heard that SIAC plans to man 80% of its own COPS from april-guys leaving may affect that date but i'm fairly certain that SIAC will want to run their own show ASAP.
safe flying
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I can see both points of view here. Although I agree with 4PWs sentiments there is nothing to be gained by public name calling. I actually think we should be honoured by B744 Local deigning to grace us all with a comment. After all, it took him 53 years to make his first post and he did choose our thread!
That said, the previous poster seems to imply that if $7k pcm is advertised but subsequently not forthcoming then it is our fault for taking what we were told at interview and read in "Flight" at face value. Is he therefore implying that SIA Cargo are guilty of misrepresentation?
I told SIA Cargo at interview that they could "expect" me to utilise max discretion possible to get the aircraft around the track. I assume that they now have no problem with my rounding down their "expectations" to a max of 1 hour? To continue with the analogy from the previous post, lets call it a "downward shift in the stock market" shall we?
There is an awful lot of bad feeling towards the company at the moment. Yes, some efforts are being made by some decent, well intentioned people to try to address the problems. But despite the assurances of "jam tomorrow" we still see no improvement. I strongly suspect that the only "improvements" we will see are those that suit and do not disadvantage mainline. Anything else will be "deferred" pending more research.
One of my Cargo colleagues has just been removed from an 18 day Cargo COP which has been given, without explanation, to a mainline pilot. In return he gets a 5 day trip and a lot of standby days. Not acceptable! The mantra (or is it manure?) from management that we are not treated as second class citizens is shown up for the smokescreen that it is with each COP change
That said, the previous poster seems to imply that if $7k pcm is advertised but subsequently not forthcoming then it is our fault for taking what we were told at interview and read in "Flight" at face value. Is he therefore implying that SIA Cargo are guilty of misrepresentation?
I told SIA Cargo at interview that they could "expect" me to utilise max discretion possible to get the aircraft around the track. I assume that they now have no problem with my rounding down their "expectations" to a max of 1 hour? To continue with the analogy from the previous post, lets call it a "downward shift in the stock market" shall we?
There is an awful lot of bad feeling towards the company at the moment. Yes, some efforts are being made by some decent, well intentioned people to try to address the problems. But despite the assurances of "jam tomorrow" we still see no improvement. I strongly suspect that the only "improvements" we will see are those that suit and do not disadvantage mainline. Anything else will be "deferred" pending more research.
One of my Cargo colleagues has just been removed from an 18 day Cargo COP which has been given, without explanation, to a mainline pilot. In return he gets a 5 day trip and a lot of standby days. Not acceptable!
The mantra (or is it manure?) from management that we are not treated as second class citizens is shown up for the smokescreen that it is with each COP change
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