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Philippine ATO memorandum circular 01-06

Old 21st Feb 2006, 00:21
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Thumbs down Philippine ATO memorandum circular 01-06

I posted this on a different thread earlier,
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=210921
wanna know what you guys think of this B.S.

The Philippine ATO just issued a memo circular for all 135 and 121 certificate holders:
"In the Interest of Safety and National Security, effective immediately, all flight deck crew, particularly pilots and aircraft mechanics are hereby directed to seek clearance from their employers as an additional requirement for the renewal of their licences.
In this connection, all 121 and 135 operators are hereby directed to issue clearance to effect the renewal of your employees' license. Non-issuance of clearance means non-issue of their licennse.
For Strict compliance.
Nilo Jatico / Assitant Secretary"
smells like lucio tan
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Old 21st Feb 2006, 01:05
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If he is losing pilots in droves, then it does sound like Lucio Tan behind it.

What I think of it ?... B.S. Looks like the ATO and the airlines are ganging up on you or to stop the outflow of pilots from the Philippines and a shameful revenue raising exercise at the same time.

If you guys have a strong union down there, I'd take them to court and oppose the bill. They are making your employers the decision makers if you will have a license the next day. As Tom Selleck says " what a lot of croc !!! "
Isn't there a law against this somewhere ?

Not until they raise the pay and improve the conditions, they will continue to lose pilots.

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Old 21st Feb 2006, 05:12
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BS...

its BS indeed.. that is why the philippines is really going to hell... A.T.O.... Another Tan Office?
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Old 21st Feb 2006, 06:39
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It actually is a "Human Rights" issue. With so many Filipino OFWs working abroad such as nurses, doctors, and domestic helpers, etc.: who continuously contribute to the Philippine economy through monetary remitances; why single out pilots and aircraft mechanics?

Is it indeed "In the Interest of Safety and National Security...blah blah blah" or the personal interest of a select few?
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Old 21st Feb 2006, 07:13
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that is why it is plain BS... i have been in philippine aviation for 16yrs already, NJ could probably be the poorest performing ASSEC in the history of Philippine Aviation... god help us all...
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Old 21st Feb 2006, 08:14
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I think I have said this before to you E6B, it is an idiotic idea on the part of the ATO and whoever they are coniving with. Also, renewing your ATPL is a personal matter, all they should care about is whether you have renewed it or not, full stop. Don't even start to think "why" they are doing this to pilots as the only answer you will get are lies to serve their interest especially if businessmen and politicians are involved.
They think all of you are so gullible to fall for this crap and won't be able to do or say anything about it. Unfortunately, that might be exactly how the cookie crumbles in this country.
I'd seriously think about getting the US FAA ATP and get the hell out of there faster than you can say "go".

"In the Interest of National Safety and Security" they say? .... now let's see... how will charging you every 6 months to renew your license or having a clearance from your "employer" in the interest of national security ?
Now, who's the terrorists here ? you or them ? This whole fiasco has more holes than a colander. I can only shake my head.

Bisaya - all the best, good luck mate. Give me a ring next time you're in Sydney.

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Old 21st Feb 2006, 12:03
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Originally Posted by bisaya
that is why it is plain BS... i have been in philippine aviation for 16yrs already, NJ could probably be the poorest performing ASSEC in the history of Philippine Aviation... god help us all...
All NJ cares about is his "hati ko?"
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Old 27th Feb 2006, 10:20
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This ATO circular is an added security for those who newly joined the airline, adding up to the lengthy 5 year service. No complains for the new joiners, i bet..., but for the rest of them, its a chain wrapped around their necks worn comparable to prisoners or criminals during medieval times. What a clever, evil idea.!...National interest?!. No no no ! Company interest, YES YES YES !!!
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Old 28th Feb 2006, 09:38
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hoping for a change but i dont think its gona be with PhilAirlines so if anybody can help me out:i am a B747-400 f/o.
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Old 28th Feb 2006, 21:33
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Originally Posted by batuta23
hoping for a change but i dont think its gona be with PhilAirlines so if anybody can help me out:i am a B747-400 f/o.

There is hope, but I guessed you havent tried....ask those who went out already, madami nang nasa Sincargo or you can try applying with Emirates, they're hiring Boeing rated pilots for their 777 fleet, there's one who came from your Division, di ba? We can only suggest and give opinions, but decisions are purely personal, think about it. Goodluck
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Old 1st Mar 2006, 09:19
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GO FOR IT!!!

What are you guys waiting for?
All it needs is to fill up an application form online and send it to the airline you want to work for. It's as simple as that.
If you dont get accepted in that airline, send to another one. There are jobs out there now.
You will not need your Phil licence when you are accepted. You just need to keep it current for the time you apply and start to convert to the country's licence. So after start applying. PAL will give you its clearance. The only time you wont get a clearance is when you submit your resignation.
So be sure to resign after your renewal. We all did it that way. Even before the circular. It is rubbish. Just a way to scare you.
dont let it stop you.
Good Luck Pre!!
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Old 1st Mar 2006, 09:55
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Originally Posted by batuta23
hoping for a change but i dont think its gona be with PhilAirlines so if anybody can help me out:i am a B747-400 f/o.
Do what your brothers are doing, GO TO EVA!
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Old 1st Mar 2006, 10:08
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Eva Air is one good choice, malapit lang. But I suggest, try contacting somebody from the inside to follow thru your application, especially if you're a striker who then went back-in. Nothing against the fellows in EVA, as a matter of fact I was given a go signal( by the group inside EVA) to apply and try, but fortunately i made into another Airline more Competitive and appealing. Air Hongkong and Sincargo are nice options, there's also Great wall china Cargo( newcomer, but its actually a subsidiary of SINCARGO). Goodluck
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Originally Posted by Cessna1052
Nothing against the fellows in EVA, as a matter of fact I was given a go signal( by the group inside EVA) to apply and try, but fortunately i made into another Airline more Competitive and appealing. Goodluck
I don't think you need a go signal from your group to apply. They're not the one doing the hiring. Don't let anybody make a decision for you, but then again it could be a cultural thing.
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Old 2nd Mar 2006, 05:12
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Originally Posted by Start4&amp View Post
I don't think you need a go signal from your group to apply. They're not the one doing the hiring. Don't let anybody make a decision for you, but then again it could be a cultural thing.
If you don't get a "go" signal from the other filipino guys at eva, don't even bother...it's more than a "cultural thing".
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Old 2nd Mar 2006, 05:38
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Tama si e6b, its more than a cultural thing. I was able to meet this Old fellows a year ago while attending a wedding of a Former Cebupac capt now with EVA
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Old 2nd Mar 2006, 08:50
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http://www.philstar.com/philstar/NEWS200603020406.htm

This might interest you.....
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Old 3rd Mar 2006, 06:12
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Do your home work PAL Management!

The very reason why there is exodus of Philippine pilots is elementary! You dont have to be a rocket scientist to figure it out. Mr. Zapanta, where are you now? - you said "its cheaper to train new pilots than give them the due benefits". Now its cheaper to pay a congressman than give pilots their due benefits, right?!!! Why stop a person uplift his quality of life? Because of national interest? Bullshi...! National interest my a..! Lucio Tan interest that is! I think UP PGH should go to congress as well, since they lost to the US 90% (or more) of the doctors & nurses they graduated since the 60's. The local hospitals should go to PRC (Professional Regulatory Comm.) & tell 'em to stop renewing PRC license of doctors & nurses who plan to go abroad. Mr. T., if you can give me half the benefits i am receiving now, I'll work back home my whole life.
On the other hand, if Mr. Tan can hire cheaper pilots from the provinces of China & pay 'em $1 a day - he'll bring 'em all to PAL.
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Old 3rd Mar 2006, 12:01
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Lets help them !

r2d2palrebel,
anyway this forum I would say is very helpful to inform our colleagues back home of all the essential information they would need to join into our present companies. i know a lot are interested, about many things such as, working conditions, cockpit environment(if flying as an FO), salaries, leaves, how often do we go home, do we get bored?, hows the place look like, the treatment against Asians, etc. other questions one might think of.
Lets invite other Reps from Asiana, Air Dec, AirLanka, and others so that they share their own experience as well, and I think the most important of all for our friends back home are the TIPS and REVIEWERS they will need to pass the interview. Okay Klasmeyt?!
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Old 3rd Mar 2006, 18:25
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daghan thank you kaayo cessna1052

oh my Godzilla! you hit it right on the centerline!this is the kind of crab mentality we should be famous for!!!gone is the thinking of pulling your fellow crabs down to suffer the same fates.your kind of hatakan will be good for those who wanna leave and those who are unable to(ie.age,physical probs).the ones left behind can at least attain better job benefits in the future - hopefully near.yes,please paint us a picture of how it is working abroad.



Originally Posted by Cessna1052
r2d2palrebel,
anyway this forum I would say is very helpful to inform our colleagues back home of all the essential information they would need to join into our present companies. i know a lot are interested, about many things such as, working conditions, cockpit environment(if flying as an FO), salaries, leaves, how often do we go home, do we get bored?, hows the place look like, the treatment against Asians, etc. other questions one might think of.
Lets invite other Reps from Asiana, Air Dec, AirLanka, and others so that they share their own experience as well, and I think the most important of all for our friends back home are the TIPS and REVIEWERS they will need to pass the interview. Okay Klasmeyt?!
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