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Originally Posted by Cessna1052
Thats the best thing they can do,
Sacked them!
Sacked them!I wonder if all this frothing-in-the-mouth is giving you additional income or incentive pay. You guys are after all enjoying the correct compensation for your labor. Why would you even bother to give people you resent the satisfaction by saying nasty thing about them. all that really does is make them connive and scheme finding ways and means to get to you or at least your colleages. Things have a way of righting themselves. You do not have to contribute. After all you will never know. your son may need a job or something like that. These things have a funny way of coming back at you so you are better off being civil. please ponder this and im sure you will agree with me.
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Originally Posted by flyboy72
...if he gets sacked, at least he gets sacked doing the right thing.
01-06 is a tool to be used by the airlines to prevent targeted pilots from renewing their licenses. If you can't renew, you won't be current. If you're not current, no chance for outside employment/license conversion.
Simple as that.
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Originally Posted by 5pfarms
I wonder if all this frothing-in-the-mouth is giving you additional income or incentive pay. You guys are after all enjoying the correct compensation for your labor...These things have a funny way of coming back at you...
But you're right, things do have a way of coming back; moreso to those who curtail basic human freedom.
And with all due respect, this is a PILOT'S FORUM where we discuss issues that have great impact on our proffesion. When there are issues, there are opinions. If you find a post offensive report it to the MODERATOR and he will delete it if necessary. Otherwise , if you cannot take the heat, then stay out of the kitchen. Good day.
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5pfarms,
the reason why one can't decide for himself nowadays is because we always look at our past. Everytime "utang na loob na lang", aren't there any more people in this world willing to help, or are you too afraid that you can't possibly make it by your own. I thanked them already, for the great help and history i will past to my children, the Great names whom have placed me on this, And that is enough. If they ban my name who cares? they banned plenty of names already and some of them are there right now working, they just come and go. Bless you, for you are rare person, a very contented one. I wish I was just like you.
the reason why one can't decide for himself nowadays is because we always look at our past. Everytime "utang na loob na lang", aren't there any more people in this world willing to help, or are you too afraid that you can't possibly make it by your own. I thanked them already, for the great help and history i will past to my children, the Great names whom have placed me on this, And that is enough. If they ban my name who cares? they banned plenty of names already and some of them are there right now working, they just come and go. Bless you, for you are rare person, a very contented one. I wish I was just like you.
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Originally Posted by e6b
nj won't get sacked because he didn't do the right thing: which was not to sign circular 01-06 in the first place. And whoever told you that 01-06 was implemented to prevent unresponsible pilots from "padding" their flight time is feeding you a cart of carabao dung.
01-06 is a tool to be used by the airlines to prevent targeted pilots from renewing their licenses. If you can't renew, you won't be current. If you're not current, no chance for outside employment/license conversion.
Simple as that.
01-06 is a tool to be used by the airlines to prevent targeted pilots from renewing their licenses. If you can't renew, you won't be current. If you're not current, no chance for outside employment/license conversion.
Simple as that.
You said "if you can't renew, you won't be current"...no kidding sherlock. You are only looking at one side of the coin, the side where "pilots in RP are the least paid in the industry, or it sucks to work in PAL, or the now gripe of we are being prevented from seeking greener pastures".
We know that PAL is the worst as far as salary is concerned, so why did some pilots go back to PAL after the ' 97 pilot strike...because it's practical...ok then they chose to go back in their own free will WITHOUT THE BENEFITS that they use to enjoy...a choice was made. Or why did new pilots join PAL...career advancement...again a choice was made. Why do PAL pilots leave...because of the salary (a fact they new from the start)...and again a choice was made.
Some pilots have left PAL because their new employer is willing to pay for their Contract with PAL...e6b, in your opinion do you think that is right? Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't there 12-16 A320 Captains that "packed up and left" for a Chinese employer because the employer was willing to buy-out the contract? I understand if they left one by one, but all together? So e6b, are these the oppressed pilots your talking about. LOOK AT IT ON THE OTHERSIDE!
Right now, PAL pilots are spending more time figuring out how to "scheme" out of PAL...so in any case, would you be surprised if management "schemes" to prevent one from leaving. Get a grip on reality E6B...PAL pilots are not exactly saints either.
I've actually spoken to a couple of Cebupac drivers and they've actually said "they joined Cebupac because the 320 is coming, and employment outside is abundant for 320"...so e6...was that quote in the interest of the company, or self interest.
If the pay in the Philippines is so little, then it is...nothing you can do to change that in the near future...but like they say "live within your means". Now if you can't because you live a life higher than the average Filipino (pilot salaries are way, way higher than the average Filipino by the way), maybe have "extra-curricular activities" then that's a different forum all together.
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Flyboy, nothing personal but you seem to be changing your story all the time. In an earlier post you couldn't believe nj could have signed 01-06 and even considered talking to him about it. Then you say it's supposed to stop flt time "padding". Now you say 01-06 is ok since it shouldn't be hard getting clearance as long as you don't have problems with pal management. Make up your mind Holmes.
If there's one thing consistent, it's that pal pilots always want to leave. Why? The answer is obvious.
That's why I didn't go back during the '98 strike.
If there's one thing consistent, it's that pal pilots always want to leave. Why? The answer is obvious.
That's why I didn't go back during the '98 strike.
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Originally Posted by 5pfarms
You guys are handling this thing all wrong. You dont seem to realize that it is not to your best interest to get irratated or make irritating statements regarding people you dislike.
I wonder if all this frothing-in-the-mouth is giving you additional income or incentive pay. You guys are after all enjoying the correct compensation for your labor. Why would you even bother to give people you resent the satisfaction by saying nasty thing about them. all that really does is make them connive and scheme finding ways and means to get to you or at least your colleages. Things have a way of righting themselves. You do not have to contribute. After all you will never know. your son may need a job or something like that. These things have a funny way of coming back at you so you are better off being civil. please ponder this and im sure you will agree with me.
I wonder if all this frothing-in-the-mouth is giving you additional income or incentive pay. You guys are after all enjoying the correct compensation for your labor. Why would you even bother to give people you resent the satisfaction by saying nasty thing about them. all that really does is make them connive and scheme finding ways and means to get to you or at least your colleages. Things have a way of righting themselves. You do not have to contribute. After all you will never know. your son may need a job or something like that. These things have a funny way of coming back at you so you are better off being civil. please ponder this and im sure you will agree with me.
If you ask the pilots who left, most of them would say that it is not only the pay, it is the treatment, working conditions and the retirement package. Do you think that if we dont voice out, they will act on this issues? I not not sure if they will act on it positively, but at least they will be made aware. And the remaining pilots will be aware, so that they can also decide on their future.
You might say that how will they know if I am posting it here? To tell you frankly, there are other pilots who browse these forums just to fish out information and tell it to the management, mga sipsip ba.
I agree with your non-confrontational style, but it does not work for these kind of people. Believe me, I know. No harm intended to you, just expressing my feelings.
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Eb6, the reason flyboy72 is not consistant in his post is coz he is a management pilot from batch 72. No guesses who that is!!!!!
Who are you really flyboy? Looking out for your own interests or the interest your pilots that work for you and LT? People don't go on strike or leave for just money, the conditions are often more important. But you know that.. don't you? So why don't you listen to your guys or ask them what they need. You have already broken the union and now you are ready to break your pilots. Why?? Why don't you go to the table and work it out instead of "scheming" with all this crap with the ATO and bill in Congress?? I'm sure the PAL pilot wants to be proud of the uniform he wears, because he represents more than the being a pilot. He is the Captain of the Flag Carrier. But he well knows that the driver that picks him up from SFO or LAX earns as much as he. I'm sure that would make him think about jumping ship or looking for greener pastures.
Flyboy you are foolish to think you will get loyalty from guys when you insult them directly for saying, "ok then they chose to go back in their own free will WITHOUT THE BENEFITS that they use to enjoy...a choice was made." How dare you!! Pilots are just people.... they have to feed their families and not earning for so many weeks can make that decision more difficult. You are right.. people make choices and your guys are chosing to leave. So you can either shutup, put up with it or even better do something about it like paying them the right pay!!
For those guys that have taken a better path... That is great... All the best.
Who are you really flyboy? Looking out for your own interests or the interest your pilots that work for you and LT? People don't go on strike or leave for just money, the conditions are often more important. But you know that.. don't you? So why don't you listen to your guys or ask them what they need. You have already broken the union and now you are ready to break your pilots. Why?? Why don't you go to the table and work it out instead of "scheming" with all this crap with the ATO and bill in Congress?? I'm sure the PAL pilot wants to be proud of the uniform he wears, because he represents more than the being a pilot. He is the Captain of the Flag Carrier. But he well knows that the driver that picks him up from SFO or LAX earns as much as he. I'm sure that would make him think about jumping ship or looking for greener pastures.
Flyboy you are foolish to think you will get loyalty from guys when you insult them directly for saying, "ok then they chose to go back in their own free will WITHOUT THE BENEFITS that they use to enjoy...a choice was made." How dare you!! Pilots are just people.... they have to feed their families and not earning for so many weeks can make that decision more difficult. You are right.. people make choices and your guys are chosing to leave. So you can either shutup, put up with it or even better do something about it like paying them the right pay!!
For those guys that have taken a better path... That is great... All the best.
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Originally Posted by planestupid
Eb6, the reason flyboy72 is not consistant in his post is coz he is a management pilot from batch 72. No guesses who that is!!!!!
Who are you really flyboy? Looking out for your own interests or the interest your pilots that work for you and LT? People don't go on strike or leave for just money, the conditions are often more important. But you know that.. don't you? So why don't you listen to your guys or ask them what they need. You have already broken the union and now you are ready to break your pilots. Why?? Why don't you go to the table and work it out instead of "scheming" with all this crap with the ATO and bill in Congress?? I'm sure the PAL pilot wants to be proud of the uniform he wears, because he represents more than the being a pilot. He is the Captain of the Flag Carrier. But he well knows that the driver that picks him up from SFO or LAX earns as much as he. I'm sure that would make him think about jumping ship or looking for greener pastures.
Flyboy you are foolish to think you will get loyalty from guys when you insult them directly for saying, "ok then they chose to go back in their own free will WITHOUT THE BENEFITS that they use to enjoy...a choice was made." How dare you!! Pilots are just people.... they have to feed their families and not earning for so many weeks can make that decision more difficult. You are right.. people make choices and your guys are chosing to leave. So you can either shutup, put up with it or even better do something about it like paying them the right pay!!
For those guys that have taken a better path... That is great... All the best.
Who are you really flyboy? Looking out for your own interests or the interest your pilots that work for you and LT? People don't go on strike or leave for just money, the conditions are often more important. But you know that.. don't you? So why don't you listen to your guys or ask them what they need. You have already broken the union and now you are ready to break your pilots. Why?? Why don't you go to the table and work it out instead of "scheming" with all this crap with the ATO and bill in Congress?? I'm sure the PAL pilot wants to be proud of the uniform he wears, because he represents more than the being a pilot. He is the Captain of the Flag Carrier. But he well knows that the driver that picks him up from SFO or LAX earns as much as he. I'm sure that would make him think about jumping ship or looking for greener pastures.
Flyboy you are foolish to think you will get loyalty from guys when you insult them directly for saying, "ok then they chose to go back in their own free will WITHOUT THE BENEFITS that they use to enjoy...a choice was made." How dare you!! Pilots are just people.... they have to feed their families and not earning for so many weeks can make that decision more difficult. You are right.. people make choices and your guys are chosing to leave. So you can either shutup, put up with it or even better do something about it like paying them the right pay!!
For those guys that have taken a better path... That is great... All the best.
Nothing more to say, direct hit, Right at the center. Mabuhay ka Bro!
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Originally Posted by flyboy72
I guess that's the way you look at or read into 01-06. What I am trying to say e6 is if you can get a cert of flt time, there is no reason why you can't get a "clearance"...unless of course you have a problem with management. e6, the ATO wants to make it clear that 01-06 does not prevent you from seeking employment in greener pastures...it is just an added requirement which they figure shouldn't be so hard to get.
You said "if you can't renew, you won't be current"...no kidding sherlock. You are only looking at one side of the coin, the side where "pilots in RP are the least paid in the industry, or it sucks to work in PAL, or the now gripe of we are being prevented from seeking greener pastures". - ISNT THIS TRUE?, GIVE US A BREAK FLYBOY.
We know that PAL is the worst as far as salary is concerned, so why did some pilots go back to PAL after the ' 97 pilot strike...because it's practical...ok then they chose to go back in their own free will WITHOUT THE BENEFITS that they use to enjoy...a choice was made. Or why did new pilots join PAL...career advancement...again a choice was made. Why do PAL pilots leave...because of the salary (a fact they new from the start)...and again a choice was made.- WASN'T THE STRIKE JUNE 98? WHERE WERE YOU THEN? MUST BE WORKING OUTSIDE PAL,HA?
Some pilots have left PAL because their new employer is willing to pay for their Contract with PAL...e6b, in your opinion do you think that is right? Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't there 12-16 A320 Captains that "packed up and left" for a Chinese employer because the employer was willing to buy-out the contract? I understand if they left one by one, but all together? So e6b, are these the oppressed pilots your talking about. LOOK AT IT ON THE OTHERSIDE!- UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S NO OTHERSIDE, AND CAN YOU NAME ONE COMPANY WHO ACTUALLY PAID FOR THE PILOTS STANDING CONTRACT? WE NEED PROOF.
Right now, PAL pilots are spending more time figuring out how to "scheme" out of PAL...so in any case, would you be surprised if management "schemes" to prevent one from leaving. Get a grip on reality E6B...PAL pilots are not exactly saints either.- ITS NOT THE FAULT OF THE PILOTS, YOU NEED THEM & YOU HIRED THEM, THEY WORK NOT FOR THE COMPANY BUT FOR THEIR FAMILY, THE VERY SAME WAY YOU ARE DOING, IF ITS FOR THE COMPANY WHY NOT BUILD YOUR OWN, IMAGINE THE INCOME OUT OF IT?
I've actually spoken to a couple of Cebupac drivers and they've actually said "they joined Cebupac because the 320 is coming, and employment outside is abundant for 320"...so e6...was that quote in the interest of the company, or self interest.- JUST IMAGINE THE WORDS YOU USED FOR PILOTS(DRIVERS), OUR LICENSE DONT COME CHEAP.ITS FULL OF SWEAT AND HARDWORK, HOW DARE YOU? IT ONLY SHOWS HOW SMALL YOU LOOK TOWARDS YOUR COMRADES.
If the pay in the Philippines is so little, then it is...nothing you can do to change that in the near future...but like they say "live within your means". Now if you can't because you live a life higher than the average Filipino (pilot salaries are way, way higher than the average Filipino by the way), maybe have "extra-curricular activities" then that's a different forum all together.
You said "if you can't renew, you won't be current"...no kidding sherlock. You are only looking at one side of the coin, the side where "pilots in RP are the least paid in the industry, or it sucks to work in PAL, or the now gripe of we are being prevented from seeking greener pastures". - ISNT THIS TRUE?, GIVE US A BREAK FLYBOY.
We know that PAL is the worst as far as salary is concerned, so why did some pilots go back to PAL after the ' 97 pilot strike...because it's practical...ok then they chose to go back in their own free will WITHOUT THE BENEFITS that they use to enjoy...a choice was made. Or why did new pilots join PAL...career advancement...again a choice was made. Why do PAL pilots leave...because of the salary (a fact they new from the start)...and again a choice was made.- WASN'T THE STRIKE JUNE 98? WHERE WERE YOU THEN? MUST BE WORKING OUTSIDE PAL,HA?
Some pilots have left PAL because their new employer is willing to pay for their Contract with PAL...e6b, in your opinion do you think that is right? Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't there 12-16 A320 Captains that "packed up and left" for a Chinese employer because the employer was willing to buy-out the contract? I understand if they left one by one, but all together? So e6b, are these the oppressed pilots your talking about. LOOK AT IT ON THE OTHERSIDE!- UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S NO OTHERSIDE, AND CAN YOU NAME ONE COMPANY WHO ACTUALLY PAID FOR THE PILOTS STANDING CONTRACT? WE NEED PROOF.
Right now, PAL pilots are spending more time figuring out how to "scheme" out of PAL...so in any case, would you be surprised if management "schemes" to prevent one from leaving. Get a grip on reality E6B...PAL pilots are not exactly saints either.- ITS NOT THE FAULT OF THE PILOTS, YOU NEED THEM & YOU HIRED THEM, THEY WORK NOT FOR THE COMPANY BUT FOR THEIR FAMILY, THE VERY SAME WAY YOU ARE DOING, IF ITS FOR THE COMPANY WHY NOT BUILD YOUR OWN, IMAGINE THE INCOME OUT OF IT?
I've actually spoken to a couple of Cebupac drivers and they've actually said "they joined Cebupac because the 320 is coming, and employment outside is abundant for 320"...so e6...was that quote in the interest of the company, or self interest.- JUST IMAGINE THE WORDS YOU USED FOR PILOTS(DRIVERS), OUR LICENSE DONT COME CHEAP.ITS FULL OF SWEAT AND HARDWORK, HOW DARE YOU? IT ONLY SHOWS HOW SMALL YOU LOOK TOWARDS YOUR COMRADES.
If the pay in the Philippines is so little, then it is...nothing you can do to change that in the near future...but like they say "live within your means". Now if you can't because you live a life higher than the average Filipino (pilot salaries are way, way higher than the average Filipino by the way), maybe have "extra-curricular activities" then that's a different forum all together.
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Originally Posted by e6b
Flyboy, nothing personal but you seem to be changing your story all the time. In an earlier post you couldn't believe nj could have signed 01-06 and even considered talking to him about it. Then you say it's supposed to stop flt time "padding". Now you say 01-06 is ok since it shouldn't be hard getting clearance as long as you don't have problems with pal management. Make up your mind Holmes.
If there's one thing consistent, it's that pal pilots always want to leave. Why? The answer is obvious.
That's why I didn't go back during the '98 strike.
If there's one thing consistent, it's that pal pilots always want to leave. Why? The answer is obvious.
That's why I didn't go back during the '98 strike.
And with PAL pilots leaving, it's their choice. You made the choice in 98 to do what you think is right for YOU, and not for your fellow pilots, or for your dreaded ALPAP officers (where are they now by the way). It was for you and your family. If leaving PAL now is "hard", why did they even get into it.
You see, its not about 01-06. It's how the pilots feel with regards to their working environment or situation. If things were satisfactory to the pilot's liking, 01-06 would not be in question. And guess what...while the exodus was going on...the pilots were having a hayday...and 01-06 is not gonna stop that.
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Originally Posted by Cessna1052
- YOU ARE THE MOST HOPELESS PERSON I'VE COME ACROSS TO, THE MOST PESSIMISTIC AS WELL, A FENCE SITTER. I BET YOU HAVE A LONG LIST OF ABORTED TAKE-OFFS JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE WORRIED YOUR ENGINES MIGHT CONK-OUT.?
i THOUGHT YOU'RE A BIG HELP.
i THOUGHT YOU'RE A BIG HELP.
I have said before that I am for what is right...but let us see first what happens to 01-06. What the ATO is saying is the pilots have not given 01-06 a chance and there are clamors already. They are willing to hear out what problems 01-06 can bring if it brings any.
And no I don't work in PAL, but you don't have to work in PAL to know what goes on in PAL. But like I said apologies, right now I am just taking a step back to take a look at the whole picture.
I was part of an industry before (not aviation) that dealt with OFWs who looked for greener pastures for their family, and I fought FOR them whenever there were problems...
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Originally Posted by flyboy72
cessna1052, whoa take it easy. I totally understand how you feel, and your comment towards my write-up is justified. It was not meant to be offensive, and I apologize for that and if it may seem that I am fence sitting on it.
I have said before that I am for what is right...but let us see first what happens to 01-06. What the ATO is saying is the pilots have not given 01-06 a chance and there are clamors already. They are willing to hear out what problems 01-06 can bring if it brings any.
And no I don't work in PAL, but you don't have to work in PAL to know what goes on in PAL. But like I said apologies, right now I am just taking a step back to take a look at the whole picture.
I was part of an industry before (not aviation) that dealt with OFWs who looked for greener pastures for their family, and I fought FOR them whenever there were problems...
I have said before that I am for what is right...but let us see first what happens to 01-06. What the ATO is saying is the pilots have not given 01-06 a chance and there are clamors already. They are willing to hear out what problems 01-06 can bring if it brings any.
And no I don't work in PAL, but you don't have to work in PAL to know what goes on in PAL. But like I said apologies, right now I am just taking a step back to take a look at the whole picture.
I was part of an industry before (not aviation) that dealt with OFWs who looked for greener pastures for their family, and I fought FOR them whenever there were problems...
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Originally Posted by flyboy72
And with PAL pilots leaving, it's their choice. You made the choice in 98 to do what you think is right for YOU, and not for your fellow pilots...
You claim you weren't a pal pilot, you weren't there so don't sound so righteous when you talk about the strike. You don't have the right; being just a spectator while we fought for the dignity of our proffesion.
Go listen to PLANESTUPID, his post was spot on.
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Can someone please convince me that 5pfarms and Flyboy72 are not planted by the airline management or the ATO.
Looks like some people don't see the underlying reasons why this 01-06 was signed. I'm not even working in the Philippines and I can smell it a thousand miles away. How naive can some people get ?
Flyboy72 you said that the ATO does not prevent you from gaining employment overseas. Hah !!! - like hell they don't !!! This is an insult. They really think that the Filipino people are so gullible to fall for this crap. The email proves it otherwise. Or haven't you read it ?
Again, from our friend Flyboy72 quoting "If the pay in the Philippines is so little, then it is...nothing you can do to change that in the near future".....
This is exactly the sort of mentality that will drag this country down Flyboy72.
You will have to believe that there is always room for improvement. Vietnam who went through so many wars have a higher growth rate than the Philippines it's embarrasing.
Don't they realize that OFWs contribute to the economy of the Philippines ?
Get over it, they are not fooling anyone.
Everyone knows that this is just an elaborate ploy from the government coniving with the airlines to tighten your chains so you can get stuck in poverty like they are. As the saying goes "How can you soar like an eagle if you are stuck with turkeys " so, get out where the "turkeys" are. And most of you have already done that. I congratulate you.
To the others, no matter what 5pfarms or flyboy72 say, it is very clear that they are on to you and only a dumbo would not see that. The government can force the airline to pay your " proper market value" instead of imposing these ridiculous requirements.
Now the question is, what are you going to do about it ?
To the management of PAL, Cebupac and others.....
If you are short on pilots, then TRAIN MORE. Or is this too complicated to take in ? There are hundreds of people out there wanting a job like this. And if they eventually leave, then this is just a normal course of events. Whether you like it or not, some if not more will not stay after the 5 year term. Get that through your head.
I hope you realize this before you destroy people's lives and eventually the country.
DeltaSix
Looks like some people don't see the underlying reasons why this 01-06 was signed. I'm not even working in the Philippines and I can smell it a thousand miles away. How naive can some people get ?
Flyboy72 you said that the ATO does not prevent you from gaining employment overseas. Hah !!! - like hell they don't !!! This is an insult. They really think that the Filipino people are so gullible to fall for this crap. The email proves it otherwise. Or haven't you read it ?
Again, from our friend Flyboy72 quoting "If the pay in the Philippines is so little, then it is...nothing you can do to change that in the near future".....
This is exactly the sort of mentality that will drag this country down Flyboy72.
You will have to believe that there is always room for improvement. Vietnam who went through so many wars have a higher growth rate than the Philippines it's embarrasing.
Don't they realize that OFWs contribute to the economy of the Philippines ?
Get over it, they are not fooling anyone.
Everyone knows that this is just an elaborate ploy from the government coniving with the airlines to tighten your chains so you can get stuck in poverty like they are. As the saying goes "How can you soar like an eagle if you are stuck with turkeys " so, get out where the "turkeys" are. And most of you have already done that. I congratulate you.
To the others, no matter what 5pfarms or flyboy72 say, it is very clear that they are on to you and only a dumbo would not see that. The government can force the airline to pay your " proper market value" instead of imposing these ridiculous requirements.
Now the question is, what are you going to do about it ?
To the management of PAL, Cebupac and others.....
If you are short on pilots, then TRAIN MORE. Or is this too complicated to take in ? There are hundreds of people out there wanting a job like this. And if they eventually leave, then this is just a normal course of events. Whether you like it or not, some if not more will not stay after the 5 year term. Get that through your head.
I hope you realize this before you destroy people's lives and eventually the country.
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Originally Posted by e6b
You better get you facts straight flyboy. My decision not to scab was made FOR my fellow pilots. It was those who initially broke the strike who were thinking about themselves.
You claim you weren't a pal pilot, you weren't there so don't sound so righteous when you talk about the strike. You don't have the right; being just a spectator while we fought for the dignity of our proffesion.
Go listen to PLANESTUPID, his post was spot on.
You claim you weren't a pal pilot, you weren't there so don't sound so righteous when you talk about the strike. You don't have the right; being just a spectator while we fought for the dignity of our proffesion.
Go listen to PLANESTUPID, his post was spot on.
Principle and the continuous fight for the profession is always a good thing...up until one's family tells them to go back, what do they do? To your eyes what are they? Can you answer for them? Sorry but I can't. A few families were torn apart as a result. Are you gonna do anything for them, I doubt it. But you have a job right? Maybe overseas?
By the way, you don't have to be a PAL pilot or be part of a strike to understand whats going on in the Philippine aviation, then and now.
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Cessna1052, E6b, Delta and all others in the forum.
Your group has made valid points, and it won't go unheard. Sorry if I didn't sound so supportive. And the emotions can run high...but it is for the freedom of the Filipino pilot.
Oh delta by the way, I wasn't planted by PAL management...I don't like them either trust me on that one.
Your group has made valid points, and it won't go unheard. Sorry if I didn't sound so supportive. And the emotions can run high...but it is for the freedom of the Filipino pilot.
Oh delta by the way, I wasn't planted by PAL management...I don't like them either trust me on that one.
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Bit by bit i'm starting to believe D6, that this fellows 5p and Flyboy72 are on the otherside, well Guys..You're Always Welcome! Flyboy isn't from PAL, he says, but he's very much aware of what has happened(except he missed a year, when he said the strike was 97.) Don't tell us You're Jimmy? or maybe one of the companies Corporate lawyer?
This is really turning out to be a nice forum after all, i just hope this views goes across all the way to the people running those companies. Just tell them this, "Whats the worry all about? the Pilots are merely 10%,we can let them go and still have the 90% of the work force". Isn't it???
This is really turning out to be a nice forum after all, i just hope this views goes across all the way to the people running those companies. Just tell them this, "Whats the worry all about? the Pilots are merely 10%,we can let them go and still have the 90% of the work force". Isn't it???
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It hit the spot, D6 & Cessna. I dont know who these clowns are (5p & fly) but they do sound like someone with the management, if not one of them.
I heard that line "you are just 10% of the total workforce....". It is true, but this 10% is the main asset to make or break an airline. Have you clowns thought that any pilot can do the work of the other 90%? Pilots can do the clerical jobs. Check-in, ramp loader, HR, marketing, etc with minimal training and in a few weeks time. But can the other 90% do the job of the so called "only 10%" with minimal training? I am not here to degrade the other 90% of the company, all i want to say is that however small in quantity we are in the company, our contribution to the company operations is MORE THAN 10%!!!
Now, all they do is to put more fuel in the fire. Instead of addressing the reason, they do the opposite. They force the others to want to leave with their ridiculous policies.
I heard that line "you are just 10% of the total workforce....". It is true, but this 10% is the main asset to make or break an airline. Have you clowns thought that any pilot can do the work of the other 90%? Pilots can do the clerical jobs. Check-in, ramp loader, HR, marketing, etc with minimal training and in a few weeks time. But can the other 90% do the job of the so called "only 10%" with minimal training? I am not here to degrade the other 90% of the company, all i want to say is that however small in quantity we are in the company, our contribution to the company operations is MORE THAN 10%!!!
Now, all they do is to put more fuel in the fire. Instead of addressing the reason, they do the opposite. They force the others to want to leave with their ridiculous policies.
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Originally Posted by Cessna1052
Bit by bit i'm starting to believe D6, that this fellows 5p and Flyboy72 are on the otherside, well Guys..You're Always Welcome! Flyboy isn't from PAL, he says, but he's very much aware of what has happened(except he missed a year, when he said the strike was 97.) Don't tell us You're Jimmy? or maybe one of the companies Corporate lawyer?
This is really turning out to be a nice forum after all, i just hope this views goes across all the way to the people running those companies. Just tell them this, "Whats the worry all about? the Pilots are merely 10%,we can let them go and still have the 90% of the work force". Isn't it???
This is really turning out to be a nice forum after all, i just hope this views goes across all the way to the people running those companies. Just tell them this, "Whats the worry all about? the Pilots are merely 10%,we can let them go and still have the 90% of the work force". Isn't it???
But no luck in that. Am not in PAL, not in management, and not in ATO. Although my "devil's advocate" may have been met with some critisism, I do believe it is good and healthy for this forum.Mr. Kontra, before you start calling me a clown, answer this...why did you give yourself the username Kontra. Sounds appropriate. I agree with cessna and you that 10% of pilots, as little percentage as it is, is an integral part of the work force. I never questioned that at all. Management in all honesty is scared at this point with regards to the 10%.