Philippine ATO memorandum circular 01-06
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To add insult to injury, some lame brain, fat ass congressman wants to pass a bill on prohibiting filipino pilots from working abroad for the next 3-5 years!!!
Again, "in the pursuit of national interest".
I wanna "pursuit" him with a very big gun!!!
Again, "in the pursuit of national interest".
I wanna "pursuit" him with a very big gun!!!
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The Bill
Originally Posted by e6b
some lame brain, fat ass congressman wants to pass a bill on prohibiting filipino pilots from working abroad for the next 3-5 years!!!
Brothers, if you don't bond together and fight together, you will be slaves.
Get your act together. Your rights are slowly being eroded by the powers to be.
Take precautions now while you still have some rights left. Where I am now, we don't renew our license like you do with the ATPL ( except for medical and IR of course). Take them to court, form a union, or whatever. Just don't give them the upper hand. Future generations of pilots will suffer if we let them win today. There is no reason why they can't force the airline to pay a "reasonable" pay and provide a "better" working conditions so their most important resource will not be lost. I feel sorry for the ones who are stuck with them. People - THIS IS WAR.
When will we learn that the crab mentality or the " Tall poppy syndrome" will only damage the Philippines ?
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Gentlemen...I would have to agree with you guys about that ATO Circular 01-06. It is your license...you've earned it...and a "clearance" from the employer is uncalled for. And as far as that "fat-ass congressman" is concerned, he is probably one of the worst educated lawmaker in the country. What makes him think that that bill that he wants to pass is going to push through? It inhibits freedom to the Filipinos. And as far as being overseas foreign workers are concerned, they are heros in that country...don't really think that bill will push through so all you PAL, Cebupac, and Airphil drivers need not worry. And as far as the circular is concerned, the ATO will probably change that seeing that it doesn't make much sense.
But for those who have something against Gen. Jatico, chances are you don't know the person that well. If you will do some research, you will find out that he is clean and uncorrupt, unlike the previous ASSECs. No one can bribe him, and in the interest of safety, he will not accept any favors from the "airlines". He is definitely not a liked person among his ATO companions...why?...well he has clipped their wings as far as "making money" within the ATO is concerned...but I am sure they still get away with some red-tape and corruption somehow, but not as much as before...that's why they don't like him. But that's my opinion...you can always go to his house in Fort Bonifacio and see for yourself that NJ is not your normal, lavish living military General.
But for those who have something against Gen. Jatico, chances are you don't know the person that well. If you will do some research, you will find out that he is clean and uncorrupt, unlike the previous ASSECs. No one can bribe him, and in the interest of safety, he will not accept any favors from the "airlines". He is definitely not a liked person among his ATO companions...why?...well he has clipped their wings as far as "making money" within the ATO is concerned...but I am sure they still get away with some red-tape and corruption somehow, but not as much as before...that's why they don't like him. But that's my opinion...you can always go to his house in Fort Bonifacio and see for yourself that NJ is not your normal, lavish living military General.
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From a High Ranking PAL official
My Friends, read this...someones trying to be a Patriotic Idiot. This Guy has no balls to help his own people and yet throwing such statements, very Famous itong Pilotong ito sa phrase na " I will not rock the Boat ", imagine P600 thou per month .The statements down below is from a former PAL Captain, he is just telling the truth.
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isnt this the ashole who said he wanted to see cadavers come out of the alpap building? surely this guy is motivated by negative emotions like hatered and envy. im sure he feels like the stupid eager beaver scientist whose experiment blew up in his face and is blaming everybody else for the accident.
he is the same asshole who, before he manueverd himself as management, would bad mouth management pilots, lambasting them for not recognizing where they come from. and boy did he gave and still do, have a big mouth.
this asshole is at the last, patriotic.his panic to cover his tracks is getting the better of him. so what was his arguement? stop pilots from leaving or to tax them? it doesnt take much to be a boss if you are an asshole.
From: Melvin B Punzalan <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [alpap] From a high ranking PAL flt ops official
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 23:34:49 +0800
>Guys, ano ba talaga ng tingin sa Pinoy pilots ng taong ito....He
>sent this to a DOTC official. He even wants us to pay taxes on our
>earnings abroad...Inggit lang kaya?
>
>
>
>This is just my reaction to the article on The proposed 5 year ban
>on aviation technical
> personnel in the airline industry. First of all it has to made
>clear what we are preventing
>and why.
>
>Pilots and mechanics world wide move around to the highest bidder
>who need
>their services.We are now faced with the reality, that around Asia
>the expansion has
>been phenomenal and some airlines are ordering airplanes at a faster
>rate than having
>personnel available to maintain and fly them.
>
>So why the filipinos, are they anything more special than any other
>race? Of course not,
>but one fact is very obvious, they are the easiest to hire.
>Comparing salary ranges in the
>Philippines against what they supposedly offer, nothing to
>compare.There communication
>skills in english are far better than any asian counterpart.The
>proficiency of the filipino pilots
>can be at par or better than our asian counterparts.
>
>So why easier to hire, they dont require much concesstions as to
>working conditions,
>where they will be based etc..as the American or European will ask
>for so much more on
>top of their salary that the airline hiring gets turned off by all
>the freebees they throw into
>the contract. Filipinos get tax free previledge in the country they
>work for and even their own
>country.
>
>Imagine an airline pilot being offered USD$10,000, doesn't pay
>anything to the Philippine govt..
>They consider themselves OFWs, no travel tax, airport tax etc..I
>thought that was for domestic
>helpers, jappayukis, carpenters, etc.
>
>Our tecnical people here pay max. with holding tax of 35% outright
>to the govt..Is that
>fair to our govt..? High paying jobs abroad dont pay a cent to our
>govt. while people who
>stay are withheld so much which delutes their take home
>considerably.
>
>Americans and Europeans no matter where they work have to pay their
>respective govt..taxes
>based on their income abroad..Our lawmakers should look into this
>disparity on taxes our technical
>people pay, staying home against working abroad.
>
>Dont ! mind laborers, entertainers, domestic helpers, caregivers
>etc..they don't earn much..If we
>dont do anything about pilots and mechanics we will come to the
>point that the pilots that stay
>will all be low experience no qualification whatsoever to be hired
>abroad, safety of our flights
>will be jeopardized.
>
>We might come to a point the airline industry will not be viable
>business so it will die a
>natural death..With 7,000 islands we might resort to taking the
>super ferry to the provinces..
>I respect the freedom to move and look for the proverbial greener
>pastures, but with that
>comes the obligation of the state to protect its national interest,
>security and safety of
>operations to a very critical industry, AVIATION. This is serious
>and we appeal to the patriotic
>and freedom loving filipinos, we also have to save our country its
>the only one we got.
>
>Julie Hernandez
>
>
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isnt this the ashole who said he wanted to see cadavers come out of the alpap building? surely this guy is motivated by negative emotions like hatered and envy. im sure he feels like the stupid eager beaver scientist whose experiment blew up in his face and is blaming everybody else for the accident.
he is the same asshole who, before he manueverd himself as management, would bad mouth management pilots, lambasting them for not recognizing where they come from. and boy did he gave and still do, have a big mouth.
this asshole is at the last, patriotic.his panic to cover his tracks is getting the better of him. so what was his arguement? stop pilots from leaving or to tax them? it doesnt take much to be a boss if you are an asshole.
From: Melvin B Punzalan <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [alpap] From a high ranking PAL flt ops official
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 23:34:49 +0800
>Guys, ano ba talaga ng tingin sa Pinoy pilots ng taong ito....He
>sent this to a DOTC official. He even wants us to pay taxes on our
>earnings abroad...Inggit lang kaya?
>
>
>
>This is just my reaction to the article on The proposed 5 year ban
>on aviation technical
> personnel in the airline industry. First of all it has to made
>clear what we are preventing
>and why.
>
>Pilots and mechanics world wide move around to the highest bidder
>who need
>their services.We are now faced with the reality, that around Asia
>the expansion has
>been phenomenal and some airlines are ordering airplanes at a faster
>rate than having
>personnel available to maintain and fly them.
>
>So why the filipinos, are they anything more special than any other
>race? Of course not,
>but one fact is very obvious, they are the easiest to hire.
>Comparing salary ranges in the
>Philippines against what they supposedly offer, nothing to
>compare.There communication
>skills in english are far better than any asian counterpart.The
>proficiency of the filipino pilots
>can be at par or better than our asian counterparts.
>
>So why easier to hire, they dont require much concesstions as to
>working conditions,
>where they will be based etc..as the American or European will ask
>for so much more on
>top of their salary that the airline hiring gets turned off by all
>the freebees they throw into
>the contract. Filipinos get tax free previledge in the country they
>work for and even their own
>country.
>
>Imagine an airline pilot being offered USD$10,000, doesn't pay
>anything to the Philippine govt..
>They consider themselves OFWs, no travel tax, airport tax etc..I
>thought that was for domestic
>helpers, jappayukis, carpenters, etc.
>
>Our tecnical people here pay max. with holding tax of 35% outright
>to the govt..Is that
>fair to our govt..? High paying jobs abroad dont pay a cent to our
>govt. while people who
>stay are withheld so much which delutes their take home
>considerably.
>
>Americans and Europeans no matter where they work have to pay their
>respective govt..taxes
>based on their income abroad..Our lawmakers should look into this
>disparity on taxes our technical
>people pay, staying home against working abroad.
>
>Dont ! mind laborers, entertainers, domestic helpers, caregivers
>etc..they don't earn much..If we
>dont do anything about pilots and mechanics we will come to the
>point that the pilots that stay
>will all be low experience no qualification whatsoever to be hired
>abroad, safety of our flights
>will be jeopardized.
>
>We might come to a point the airline industry will not be viable
>business so it will die a
>natural death..With 7,000 islands we might resort to taking the
>super ferry to the provinces..
>I respect the freedom to move and look for the proverbial greener
>pastures, but with that
>comes the obligation of the state to protect its national interest,
>security and safety of
>operations to a very critical industry, AVIATION. This is serious
>and we appeal to the patriotic
>and freedom loving filipinos, we also have to save our country its
>the only one we got.
>
>Julie Hernandez
>
>
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Capt. "Do Not Rock The Boat" has a short term solution
Capt. 
"Do Not Rock The Boat" earns 900,000 a month. I guess his actions in Philippine Airlines are all "in aid of job security." His "solutions" to the PAL exodus is planned for the short term (up to his retirement date only, 2008 or 2009 yata!). After that date, bahala na kayo!!! Do the math, 1.5 months pay per year of service multiplied by more than 30 years on top of the 25% of monthly pay promised per month of service. These guys will definitely go into survival mode and tell you "DO NOT ROCK THE BOAT."
"Do Not Rock The Boat" earns 900,000 a month. I guess his actions in Philippine Airlines are all "in aid of job security." His "solutions" to the PAL exodus is planned for the short term (up to his retirement date only, 2008 or 2009 yata!). After that date, bahala na kayo!!! Do the math, 1.5 months pay per year of service multiplied by more than 30 years on top of the 25% of monthly pay promised per month of service. These guys will definitely go into survival mode and tell you "DO NOT ROCK THE BOAT."
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He said
"Pilots and mechanics world wide move around to the highest bidder
who need their services"
----- Damn right !! Isn't everyone else ?
"Comparing salary ranges in the Philippines against what they supposedly offer, nothing to compare.There communication skills in english are far better than any asian counterpart.The proficiency of the filipino pilots can be at par or better than our asian counterparts "
--- tell us something that we don't already know.
"So why easier to hire, they dont require much concesstions as to
working conditions "
----- Yep, and this is their bargaining power. They only ask what is fair in wages and still the people in power in the Philippines won't even give them this.
"Imagine an airline pilot being offered USD$10,000, doesn't pay
anything to the Philippine govt."
---- Keep imagining, This guy needs a reality check. Does he realize that from this pay, tax is also taken out at the same time by the foreign government ?
"Our lawmakers should look into this disparity on taxes our technical people pay, staying home against working abroad"
----- This will force most Filipino pilots abroad to take up citizenship elsewhere.
"If we dont do anything about pilots and mechanics we will come to the
point that the pilots that stay will all be low experience no qualification whatsoever to be hired abroad, safety of our flights will be jeopardized"
------ That's the airline's problem, but I'll give him a hint --- PAY THEM PROPERLY AND TREAT THEM WITH DIGNITY AND MAYBE THEY WILL STAY.
If the passengers has lost confidence in the airline then they can always go for another carrier.
"We might come to a point the airline industry will not be viable business so it will die a natural death..With 7,000 islands we might resort to taking the
super ferry to the provinces "
------ Then maybe they will cut the wages of the ferry drivers too.
"I respect the freedom to move and look for the proverbial greener pastures, but with that comes the obligation of the state to protect its national interest, security and safety of operations to a very critical industry, AVIATION "
------ Who's interest is he protecting ? Tell that to the families of the pilots who won't be able to feed them if they fail their medical and have no savings to fall back on due to his National interest.
What a loser.
D6
"Pilots and mechanics world wide move around to the highest bidder
who need their services"
----- Damn right !! Isn't everyone else ?
"Comparing salary ranges in the Philippines against what they supposedly offer, nothing to compare.There communication skills in english are far better than any asian counterpart.The proficiency of the filipino pilots can be at par or better than our asian counterparts "
--- tell us something that we don't already know.
"So why easier to hire, they dont require much concesstions as to
working conditions "
----- Yep, and this is their bargaining power. They only ask what is fair in wages and still the people in power in the Philippines won't even give them this.
"Imagine an airline pilot being offered USD$10,000, doesn't pay
anything to the Philippine govt."
---- Keep imagining, This guy needs a reality check. Does he realize that from this pay, tax is also taken out at the same time by the foreign government ?
"Our lawmakers should look into this disparity on taxes our technical people pay, staying home against working abroad"
----- This will force most Filipino pilots abroad to take up citizenship elsewhere.
"If we dont do anything about pilots and mechanics we will come to the
point that the pilots that stay will all be low experience no qualification whatsoever to be hired abroad, safety of our flights will be jeopardized"
------ That's the airline's problem, but I'll give him a hint --- PAY THEM PROPERLY AND TREAT THEM WITH DIGNITY AND MAYBE THEY WILL STAY.
If the passengers has lost confidence in the airline then they can always go for another carrier.
"We might come to a point the airline industry will not be viable business so it will die a natural death..With 7,000 islands we might resort to taking the
super ferry to the provinces "
------ Then maybe they will cut the wages of the ferry drivers too.
"I respect the freedom to move and look for the proverbial greener pastures, but with that comes the obligation of the state to protect its national interest, security and safety of operations to a very critical industry, AVIATION "
------ Who's interest is he protecting ? Tell that to the families of the pilots who won't be able to feed them if they fail their medical and have no savings to fall back on due to his National interest.
What a loser.
D6
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Originally Posted by flyboy72
But for those who have something against Gen. Jatico, chances are you don't know the person that well. If you will do some research, you will find out that he is clean and uncorrupt, unlike the previous ASSECs. No one can bribe him, and in the interest of safety, he will not accept any favors from the "airlines". He is definitely not a liked person among his ATO companions...why?...well he has clipped their wings as far as "making money" within the ATO is concerned...but I am sure they still get away with some red-tape and corruption somehow, but not as much as before...that's why they don't like him. But that's my opinion...you can always go to his house in Fort Bonifacio and see for yourself that NJ is not your normal, lavish living military General.
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Originally Posted by Cessna1052
I second demotion. e6, yours is a very correct question....
I actually heard this circular through this forum only.
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The best bet I have in mind is that there is somebody on a very powerful position than NJ who probably told him to Sign without asking.
Is that fair enough for NJ flyboy72? I cannot think of any other way than maybe somebody else did it for him, and if you happen to be very close to the Guy can you please ask him to reconsider it, and maybe do some help to this pilots who are all just dreaming for a better future for their Families.
Is that fair enough for NJ flyboy72? I cannot think of any other way than maybe somebody else did it for him, and if you happen to be very close to the Guy can you please ask him to reconsider it, and maybe do some help to this pilots who are all just dreaming for a better future for their Families.
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Originally Posted by Cessna1052
The best bet I have in mind is that there is somebody on a very powerful position than NJ who probably told him to Sign without asking.
Is that fair enough for NJ flyboy72? I cannot think of any other way than maybe somebody else did it for him, and if you happen to be very close to the Guy can you please ask him to reconsider it, and maybe do some help to this pilots who are all just dreaming for a better future for their Families.
Is that fair enough for NJ flyboy72? I cannot think of any other way than maybe somebody else did it for him, and if you happen to be very close to the Guy can you please ask him to reconsider it, and maybe do some help to this pilots who are all just dreaming for a better future for their Families.
Rest assured that I shall request for a reconsideration. God Speed.
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I may be quite mis-informed, but from what I've heard, any Fil pilot who wants to work outside the country has to get POEA approval first, just like nearly everyone else there.
So, apart from the Civil Aviation folks, they are truly on the hook by the short and curlies, and in the end, not much they can actually do about it.
You can only expect far worse in the future, no doubt about it.
So, apart from the Civil Aviation folks, they are truly on the hook by the short and curlies, and in the end, not much they can actually do about it.
You can only expect far worse in the future, no doubt about it.
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Originally Posted by 411A
You can only expect far worse in the future, no doubt about it.
Can someone give me NJ's mailing address and I will write to him to stress out " Why the workers are leaving the country " and ask him to re-consider.
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Originally Posted by Cessna1052
The best bet I have in mind is that there is somebody on a very powerful position than NJ who probably told him to Sign without asking.
Is that fair enough for NJ flyboy72? I cannot think of any other way than maybe somebody else did it for him, and if you happen to be very close to the Guy can you please ask him to reconsider it, and maybe do some help to this pilots who are all just dreaming for a better future for their Families.
Is that fair enough for NJ flyboy72? I cannot think of any other way than maybe somebody else did it for him, and if you happen to be very close to the Guy can you please ask him to reconsider it, and maybe do some help to this pilots who are all just dreaming for a better future for their Families.
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Originally Posted by e6b
I saw nj's signature on the copy furnished to CebuPac. He signed it himself, no proxy.
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Originally Posted by Navitimer
Uhm, Cessna? I think the correct term would be " I second the motion" not "second demotion". But you're ok man, good luck and have a safe flight!
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hello fellow pinoy piltos. longtime browser, first time poster.
i would like to comment that i believe NJ is an honest man, somebody higher than him must have shoved this issue up his nose to make him sign it. LT is known to get his ways in whatever way he can. he can manipulate any politician, he has the means to do it.
as for mr. rock the boat, he has the guts to write a letter like that. it only shows that he dont want us to experience a better life. that only him and kalbong johnny have the right to enjoy life. have you noticed that kalbo has a new address since he became the vp? he now lives in ayala alabang, while he used to live in moonwalk or sunvalle before getting that position. it shows how much money he is recieving at our expense. i am wishing that these two guys get retired without receiving any from PAL. they should be charged with "failure on the job" and get sacked.
i would like to comment that i believe NJ is an honest man, somebody higher than him must have shoved this issue up his nose to make him sign it. LT is known to get his ways in whatever way he can. he can manipulate any politician, he has the means to do it.
as for mr. rock the boat, he has the guts to write a letter like that. it only shows that he dont want us to experience a better life. that only him and kalbong johnny have the right to enjoy life. have you noticed that kalbo has a new address since he became the vp? he now lives in ayala alabang, while he used to live in moonwalk or sunvalle before getting that position. it shows how much money he is recieving at our expense. i am wishing that these two guys get retired without receiving any from PAL. they should be charged with "failure on the job" and get sacked.
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Originally Posted by kontra
hello fellow pinoy piltos. longtime browser, first time poster.
i would like to comment that i believe NJ is an honest man, somebody higher than him must have shoved this issue up his nose to make him sign it. LT is known to get his ways in whatever way he can. he can manipulate any politician, he has the means to do it.
as for mr. rock the boat, he has the guts to write a letter like that. it only shows that he dont want us to experience a better life. that only him and kalbong johnny have the right to enjoy life. have you noticed that kalbo has a new address since he became the vp? he now lives in ayala alabang, while he used to live in moonwalk or sunvalle before getting that position. it shows how much money he is recieving at our expense. i am wishing that these two guys get retired without receiving any from PAL. they should be charged with "failure on the job" and get sacked.
i would like to comment that i believe NJ is an honest man, somebody higher than him must have shoved this issue up his nose to make him sign it. LT is known to get his ways in whatever way he can. he can manipulate any politician, he has the means to do it.
as for mr. rock the boat, he has the guts to write a letter like that. it only shows that he dont want us to experience a better life. that only him and kalbong johnny have the right to enjoy life. have you noticed that kalbo has a new address since he became the vp? he now lives in ayala alabang, while he used to live in moonwalk or sunvalle before getting that position. it shows how much money he is recieving at our expense. i am wishing that these two guys get retired without receiving any from PAL. they should be charged with "failure on the job" and get sacked.
Sacked them!
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Ok so here is the jist of it:
After a little bit of inquiry...the ATO Circular 01-06 is how you make of it and this is what I maybe naively concluding. It may work to the advantage of LT and Philippine Airlines but the circular is directed to ALL airmen. Which means all airmen are required to give/present a certification of flight time and a clearance from an employer or operator.
Admittedly, the additional requirement is a nuisance but nevertheless a requirement. The ATO does have some valid points: 1. In general, pilots (especially the General Aviation) were able to renew their licenses via certification of flight time which were at times fraudulently acquired (meaning they really never flew the time). There is a darkside in Philippine aviation. We are professional aviators, but of course, there are A LOT of us that are not. 2. If you can get a Cert of Flight time, you can get clearance from the owner or operator. The operator or owner is not going to issue a clearance if he/she knows that cert of flight time was acquired by fraud means. 3. It puts a period on the ATO stand regarding the exodus issue - it basically is not an issue as far as ATO is concerned. Company internal problems stays as is.
If it was signed to apeace LT, it was more to shut him up and his very stubborn President Jaime Bautista. But I doubt that it was signed because of the second visit of Jaime Bautista. NJ and PAL don't have a great relationship. And LT/PAL can complain to GMA regarding NJ, but NJ doesn't care...if he gets sacked, at least he gets sacked doing the right thing.
After a little bit of inquiry...the ATO Circular 01-06 is how you make of it and this is what I maybe naively concluding. It may work to the advantage of LT and Philippine Airlines but the circular is directed to ALL airmen. Which means all airmen are required to give/present a certification of flight time and a clearance from an employer or operator.
Admittedly, the additional requirement is a nuisance but nevertheless a requirement. The ATO does have some valid points: 1. In general, pilots (especially the General Aviation) were able to renew their licenses via certification of flight time which were at times fraudulently acquired (meaning they really never flew the time). There is a darkside in Philippine aviation. We are professional aviators, but of course, there are A LOT of us that are not. 2. If you can get a Cert of Flight time, you can get clearance from the owner or operator. The operator or owner is not going to issue a clearance if he/she knows that cert of flight time was acquired by fraud means. 3. It puts a period on the ATO stand regarding the exodus issue - it basically is not an issue as far as ATO is concerned. Company internal problems stays as is.
If it was signed to apeace LT, it was more to shut him up and his very stubborn President Jaime Bautista. But I doubt that it was signed because of the second visit of Jaime Bautista. NJ and PAL don't have a great relationship. And LT/PAL can complain to GMA regarding NJ, but NJ doesn't care...if he gets sacked, at least he gets sacked doing the right thing.