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Hi, I have tried a search ref the above, no joy. Can anyone please provide any info on ACC, what they are like to work for, base, routes etc.
Thanks in advance
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Also, any age limits?
CX, SIN Cargo, EVA all have them but you have to dig through their websites to find out or write to them to ask. Some airlines do, others don't. Knowing beforehandwill save a lot of time and energy!
CX, SIN Cargo, EVA all have them but you have to dig through their websites to find out or write to them to ask. Some airlines do, others don't. Knowing beforehandwill save a lot of time and energy!
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For F/O's the Chinese CAA (CAAC) wil not recognize Co-pilot endorsements regardless of country of issue. 
Your options then are to upgrade to a command rating (find a sim and examiner etc.. etc..), or to submit to the Initial type-rating course all over again.
I'm told this may take up to 6 months to complete,(ACC are desperately trying to shortcut this nonsense), and during this time you will be payed 50% of salary ie. USD 3,000 with no per diems. If you choose to reside in the flight-crew accom. building at the training facility across the road from the airport, you are charged RMB 6,000 p/m. ie 2 thousand more than your allowance. The building is 4 star hotel-type accom with all meals in cafeteria-style setup.
Should be a reasonable gig when the wrinkles are ironed out. This is the first time expats have gone through this neck of the woods, I believe, and there are new issues arrising weekly.
Stay tuned...
Your options then are to upgrade to a command rating (find a sim and examiner etc.. etc..), or to submit to the Initial type-rating course all over again. I'm told this may take up to 6 months to complete,(ACC are desperately trying to shortcut this nonsense), and during this time you will be payed 50% of salary ie. USD 3,000 with no per diems. If you choose to reside in the flight-crew accom. building at the training facility across the road from the airport, you are charged RMB 6,000 p/m. ie 2 thousand more than your allowance. The building is 4 star hotel-type accom with all meals in cafeteria-style setup.
Should be a reasonable gig when the wrinkles are ironed out. This is the first time expats have gone through this neck of the woods, I believe, and there are new issues arrising weekly.
Stay tuned...
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Should be a reasonable gig when the wrinkles are ironed out. This is the first time expats have gone through this neck of the woods, I believe, and there are new issues arrising weekly.
There are also a bunch of foreign pilots with Okay Airways, based in Tianjin, who are the first expats trying to break into the Chinese aviation market. These pilots have been waiting for over 1.5 years now, waiting for CAAC (Northern District Office) to iron out their policies on hiring foreign pilots. Although I do believe that this would be Air China's first official attempt to hire foreign pilots. CAAC is notoriously known to being extremely slow in processing new policies and regulations.
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I see...
Didn't realise there were expats over there.
Suppose it's a case of wait and see. A watched kettle never boils, they say. Must sit on hands and try not to sweat it.
Suppose it's a case of wait and see. A watched kettle never boils, they say. Must sit on hands and try not to sweat it.
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Expats working for AIR CHINA directly??? And living in Air China complex???
I hope this work out nice, but it's not easy for expats pilots to work in Chinese company from the mainland that never had expat before......
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I hope this work out nice, but it's not easy for expats pilots to work in Chinese company from the mainland that never had expat before......
Cheers
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Discussions with company reps. seem to indicate that expats will be upgrade-able inline with normal company criteria. Exactly how they are slotted into any existing seniority system is unknown to me at this time. There was talk of expats operating as a somewhat homogenous group on the aircraft (whether this is to negate translator requirements, or for seniority/upgrade reasons is also unknown).
The first group of expats have arrived in-country as of last week I believe, more to follow shortly. 4X 744F's to be delivered in total, first due very soon.
Living in the pilot/FA dorm isn't mandatory but access to training base and need to find your own appartment make it an easier option at least until the training is in hand.
The first group of expats have arrived in-country as of last week I believe, more to follow shortly. 4X 744F's to be delivered in total, first due very soon.
Living in the pilot/FA dorm isn't mandatory but access to training base and need to find your own appartment make it an easier option at least until the training is in hand.
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Originally Posted by CuriousPilot
Expats working for AIR CHINA directly??? And living in Air China complex???
I hope this work out nice, but it's not easy for expats pilots to work in Chinese company from the mainland that never had expat before......
Cheers
I hope this work out nice, but it's not easy for expats pilots to work in Chinese company from the mainland that never had expat before......
Cheers
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Originally Posted by Blueair
Expats working for Air China Cargo directly, and living in Beijing or Shanghai. Though they have never had expat before, but they will get help from us, we can help expat to work well in Chinese airlines.
Yeap...I hope so!!! But will be the first one !!! Just ask for anyone working in EVA, China Airlines and few others in the area (SHENZHEIN AIRLINES ALSO)....... Of course you can have such nice persons working with you, but most of times the foreign pilot never will be right!!!
I can tell you for sure more than 20 cases where the VP of Operations don't even listening to the foreign side of the history...
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The past experiences of expats working in the region will provide a worthwhile opportunity for ACC to not repeat the mistakes their competitors have made in the past. EVA is a shambles with morale lower than ever. CHINA Airlines the same. Don't have any feedback re: Shenzhen? Anyone??
All the expats want is to be treated the same as the nationals, there should be no favourites, equal chances for upgrade and their voice to be heard by management. These are the obvious problems at EVA and CA. ACC shouldn't have any difficulty making sure they are the better employer in the region if these prior bad-examples are noted.
I believe Blueairs sentiment is admirable and if reflected by management there is great opportunity at ACC.
All the expats want is to be treated the same as the nationals, there should be no favourites, equal chances for upgrade and their voice to be heard by management. These are the obvious problems at EVA and CA. ACC shouldn't have any difficulty making sure they are the better employer in the region if these prior bad-examples are noted.
I believe Blueairs sentiment is admirable and if reflected by management there is great opportunity at ACC.
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The past experiences of expats working in the region will provide a worthwhile opportunity for ACC to not repeat the mistakes their competitors have made in the past. EVA is a shambles with morale lower than ever. CHINA Airlines the same. Don't have any feedback re: Shenzhen? Anyone??
All the expats want is to be treated the same as the nationals, there should be no favourites, equal chances for upgrade and their voice to be heard by management.
Where is this airline?In Asia?
In China?
In Hong Kong maybe.......
All the expats want is to be treated the same as the nationals, there should be no favourites, equal chances for upgrade and their voice to be heard by management.
Where is this airline?In Asia?
In China? In Hong Kong maybe.......
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Air China Cargo: freight arm of the national carrier. Based in Beijing, possibly Shanghai later. See job adverts at IAC global, Rishworth and Direct Personnel etc...
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Haha Huaxhan Technolgoies bit of free advertising is that allowed Mod.Anyway aren`t you the guys who thought Loss of Licence Insurance was when you did just that, left in a taxi, had it stolen etc........ .......... Rishworth IAC think you should put your terms out for us all to see on PPRUNE , save you a fortune on advertising..
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Originally Posted by Crossbleed
Anyone on the first intake of Air China Cargo
What's it all like?
What's the story with staff-travel?
What's it all like?
What's the story with staff-travel?
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Originally Posted by HitList
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Air China Senior Officials Statements: Fact OR Fiction ?
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Foreign Pilots on the Horizon for Air China
Foreign pilots are to be brought in by the nation's flagship carrier to meet the demand of its expanding air fleets.
Air China said it was planning an overseas recruitment drive because it was suffering a severe shortage of pilots.
"Air China has planned to introduce 20 to 30 airplanes within this year, but the exact number will depend on the supply of aircrew members, particularly the pilots," said Li Huxiao, a senior staff from the Beijing-based airline company.
"Currently, we are short of at least 40 captains, so we will try to recruit foreign pilots," Li said.
In the context of the rapid growth of civil aviation industry, the shortage of pilots, particularly captains, is a serious problem, said Hao Yuping, deputy senior director of Air China.
He gave no details about the exact number of foreign pilots his company planned to recruit.
Air China's problems reflect the fact China's booming commercial aviation industry is taking off faster than the country can train pilots.
According to statistics from the General Administration of Civil Aviation of China (CAAC), the industry regulator, about 11,000 pilots are employed to fly more than 770 aircraft operated by the major Chinese commercial airlines a figure industry experts say is inadequate to cope with rocketing demand for passenger services.
The Civil Aviation Flight University of China, the nation's major training school for commercial airline pilots based in Sichuan and Henan provinces, graduates a maximum of 600 pilots a year.
Based on the delivery of new aircraft, industry experts estimate that China has needed between 1,200 and 1,600 new pilots every year since 2000.
To the major State-owned airlines such as Air China, China Southern Airlines and China Eastern Airlines, another increasing challenge is the expansion of private carriers in the country, as pilot headhunting frequently occurred to the companies from last year.
Ten captains from the Jiangsu Branch of China Eastern Airlines asked to resign in December, something that had never happened before the growth of private airlines.
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Air China Senior Officials Statements: Fact OR Fiction ?
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Foreign Pilots on the Horizon for Air China
Foreign pilots are to be brought in by the nation's flagship carrier to meet the demand of its expanding air fleets.
Air China said it was planning an overseas recruitment drive because it was suffering a severe shortage of pilots.
"Air China has planned to introduce 20 to 30 airplanes within this year, but the exact number will depend on the supply of aircrew members, particularly the pilots," said Li Huxiao, a senior staff from the Beijing-based airline company.
"Currently, we are short of at least 40 captains, so we will try to recruit foreign pilots," Li said.
In the context of the rapid growth of civil aviation industry, the shortage of pilots, particularly captains, is a serious problem, said Hao Yuping, deputy senior director of Air China.
He gave no details about the exact number of foreign pilots his company planned to recruit.
Air China's problems reflect the fact China's booming commercial aviation industry is taking off faster than the country can train pilots.
According to statistics from the General Administration of Civil Aviation of China (CAAC), the industry regulator, about 11,000 pilots are employed to fly more than 770 aircraft operated by the major Chinese commercial airlines a figure industry experts say is inadequate to cope with rocketing demand for passenger services.
The Civil Aviation Flight University of China, the nation's major training school for commercial airline pilots based in Sichuan and Henan provinces, graduates a maximum of 600 pilots a year.
Based on the delivery of new aircraft, industry experts estimate that China has needed between 1,200 and 1,600 new pilots every year since 2000.
To the major State-owned airlines such as Air China, China Southern Airlines and China Eastern Airlines, another increasing challenge is the expansion of private carriers in the country, as pilot headhunting frequently occurred to the companies from last year.
Ten captains from the Jiangsu Branch of China Eastern Airlines asked to resign in December, something that had never happened before the growth of private airlines.
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Above is a very old news, things always change quickly and suddenly. Air China tried to employ foreign pilot since 2004, but no one was employed...