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jollibee,
Planestupid was just telling the truth, and your answer were quite true as well. You do need to start somewhere. As Ive said there are the BADS and the goods too in that place, so expect for the worse and hope for the best.
And bisaya was mentioning about an empress Queen, thats really funny. One more thing you have to know about PAL, is that you get callsigns from all the people around you. i.e. ngokngik, kingkong,Daga, Mickey mouse, Aling Maria, General, 7 dwarfs, Kalbo, texas, the boy, the man, empress queen etc.
Planestupid,
lets give him a break Im sure once he wakens up from the truth and again feels pain, he'll whines like the rest and will find the way out. Just wait for at least three years and Jollibee will be one of your new recruits.
Jollibee, i hope you'll find pleasure discovering your roots.
Cheers,
Cessna
Planestupid was just telling the truth, and your answer were quite true as well. You do need to start somewhere. As Ive said there are the BADS and the goods too in that place, so expect for the worse and hope for the best.
And bisaya was mentioning about an empress Queen, thats really funny. One more thing you have to know about PAL, is that you get callsigns from all the people around you. i.e. ngokngik, kingkong,Daga, Mickey mouse, Aling Maria, General, 7 dwarfs, Kalbo, texas, the boy, the man, empress queen etc.
Planestupid,
lets give him a break Im sure once he wakens up from the truth and again feels pain, he'll whines like the rest and will find the way out. Just wait for at least three years and Jollibee will be one of your new recruits.
Jollibee, i hope you'll find pleasure discovering your roots.
Cheers,
Cessna
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Can I join in?
Good thing I found an active forum for Pinoy pilots because I badly need an advice from the senior guys. I am 21, currently training in Long Beach CA. Approaching my multi commercial then CFI after. I plan to instruct for quite some time to gain the minimum hours here (at least 500 for PAL? what about CEB?). But the thing is that I have the same urge as that of Jollibeeflyer to go back to the Philippines to fly, well I just came here to get my greencard last 06 so I still have spirit hehe. Well, for one really good reason, I just got married in the Philippines just this February, yeah at 21... and I am not yet a citizen which would take at least 5 years? That is why I was really considering gaining experience in the Philippines to be with my wife and then come back here. My recent searches also brought me to consider China Airlines with like 1500hr and ATPL.
I have considered also starting my career here in the U.S at once after everything, but from what I have heard, CFI's here do sometimes earn much higher salaries than those in the regional airlines. That is why I am really considering jet experience even with low pay at first rather than CFI all the way with only cessna and piper experience. And... I still have loans to consider here wow lucky are those kids of forbes park and alabang residents hehehe.
P.S - how much is the pay for first year for CEBU vs PAL? Is a 2-yr degree a college graduate for PAL? hehe because I am taking up BS Professional Pilot but I was thinking if PAL or CEB if required would allow 2 yr associates degree in Aviation Science.
SORRY FOR BUTTING IN, THANKS GUYS I WILL APPRECIATE ANYTHING.
- Arthur
I have considered also starting my career here in the U.S at once after everything, but from what I have heard, CFI's here do sometimes earn much higher salaries than those in the regional airlines. That is why I am really considering jet experience even with low pay at first rather than CFI all the way with only cessna and piper experience. And... I still have loans to consider here wow lucky are those kids of forbes park and alabang residents hehehe.
P.S - how much is the pay for first year for CEBU vs PAL? Is a 2-yr degree a college graduate for PAL? hehe because I am taking up BS Professional Pilot but I was thinking if PAL or CEB if required would allow 2 yr associates degree in Aviation Science.
SORRY FOR BUTTING IN, THANKS GUYS I WILL APPRECIATE ANYTHING.
- Arthur
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to: toot and jolliebee,
i am well aware of instructing in the US as well as flying for the regionals. in regards to salary for cfi's and FO in the regionlas..you are better off at McDonalds..and thats the truth.. as you both know flight instructing in the US (for most of us) is and was a way to built up time for the regionlas.
for less than 1000 hours mesa, pinnacle, express jet are a few examples. they hire less at 700 hrs at about an average of $2000.00 per month including per diems. take home is about $600-$700 net per month and depending where you llive..well the expenses will pretty much force you to get a part time job.
if you ask around flying US regionals are not the best conditions..its all about building time. even captains at these regionals dont like it and cant wait to leave (not all)..but regionals will give you lots of jets experience. your preference. in fact mesa is probly the worst regionals to work for. and the upgrade time???!!! well if you survive any furlough!!!
so.. PAL or CEBU PAC versus the regionals...hmmmm Its definately more interesting to fly in the PI. the culture..its the same at the regionals. you will have some good ones and some bad ones. the pay..hmmm If you dont have any Us debt then the pay in comparison to living expenses in the PI will almost equal out to what you will get at the regionals. it will be like college again..budgeting your beer money versus your food money.
toot and jolliebee..the culture in the PI sure is different but its workable. this is the place where patience is truly a virtue. go for it. bring in what you have learned from flight training in the states..take in and learn from senior pilots in the PI and take advantage from both............
.......remember "A Good Pilot Is Always Learning"
"keep the blue side up"
i am well aware of instructing in the US as well as flying for the regionals. in regards to salary for cfi's and FO in the regionlas..you are better off at McDonalds..and thats the truth.. as you both know flight instructing in the US (for most of us) is and was a way to built up time for the regionlas.
for less than 1000 hours mesa, pinnacle, express jet are a few examples. they hire less at 700 hrs at about an average of $2000.00 per month including per diems. take home is about $600-$700 net per month and depending where you llive..well the expenses will pretty much force you to get a part time job.
if you ask around flying US regionals are not the best conditions..its all about building time. even captains at these regionals dont like it and cant wait to leave (not all)..but regionals will give you lots of jets experience. your preference. in fact mesa is probly the worst regionals to work for. and the upgrade time???!!! well if you survive any furlough!!!
so.. PAL or CEBU PAC versus the regionals...hmmmm Its definately more interesting to fly in the PI. the culture..its the same at the regionals. you will have some good ones and some bad ones. the pay..hmmm If you dont have any Us debt then the pay in comparison to living expenses in the PI will almost equal out to what you will get at the regionals. it will be like college again..budgeting your beer money versus your food money.
toot and jolliebee..the culture in the PI sure is different but its workable. this is the place where patience is truly a virtue. go for it. bring in what you have learned from flight training in the states..take in and learn from senior pilots in the PI and take advantage from both............
.......remember "A Good Pilot Is Always Learning"
"keep the blue side up"
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Thanks man and with the dollar losing its edge over the peso I would really reconsider 100,000 pesos in the philippines over $2000 minus every bill in dollar here in U.S. At least you are gaining experience in a jet rather than in cessna's teaching. Although for me CFI is a must to reach at least 500 or 1500 even.
Yeah that is true about the regionals here, wow kinda over hyped here. Students paying six digits in dollars so as to be able to get paid $2000 minus minus. Goodluck to us! Thanks again.
Yeah that is true about the regionals here, wow kinda over hyped here. Students paying six digits in dollars so as to be able to get paid $2000 minus minus. Goodluck to us! Thanks again.
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Again, I appreciate the help guys and the words of wisdom. I did have the oppurtunity to meet the "queen" on several ocassions. At first she was, to put it kindly, not as friendly as her other counterparts I have met in the USA.
But as the time went on and the more so called "important" people backing me as my references and calling on my behalf she became much more tolerable.
I came to a cross-roads with USA Regionals and the career with PAL and other PI airlines. As I have been taught that the first job may not always be the perfect job or at least far from it, but it takes a little elbow grease and rolling of the sleeves to find a better place in the end.
But as the time went on and the more so called "important" people backing me as my references and calling on my behalf she became much more tolerable.
I came to a cross-roads with USA Regionals and the career with PAL and other PI airlines. As I have been taught that the first job may not always be the perfect job or at least far from it, but it takes a little elbow grease and rolling of the sleeves to find a better place in the end.
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the welcome
step 2
buy a box of red wine. "lambrusco". In Australia a number of cheaper bottled and box wines are produced by Australian vineyards and sold as "Lambrusco". They are typically medium-sweet, around 10% ABV and styled as an "easy drinking" product. the Australian kind will do.
step 3
look for a medium, preferably a pilot who can offer this peace offering to the little gremlin (A gremlin is a folkloric creature, commonly depicted as mischievous and mechanically oriented with a specific interest in aircraft. Although their origin is found in myths among airmen, claiming that the gremlins were responsible for sabotaging aircraft. The word "gremlin" originated in oral use amongst Royal Air Force (RAF) aviators' slang in Malta, the Middle East and India, with the earliest recorded printed use being a poem published in the journal Aeroplane April 10, 1929.) the gremlin loves this drink so much that it will make your life easier when you fly the Frasca 142. you will fly an SID to the south which will end up with a few outbound intercepts. then this will be followed by inbound intercepts to RS (rosario) you will fly this ancient NDB approach to minimum and then a full MAP. you will then be asked to proceed back to MIA for an ILS approach. by the way, expect a 15knot direct crosswind and you are expected to know the mathematical formulas to compute the WCAs. with the gremlin's seal of approval, you shall be ready for the next step.
buy a box of red wine. "lambrusco". In Australia a number of cheaper bottled and box wines are produced by Australian vineyards and sold as "Lambrusco". They are typically medium-sweet, around 10% ABV and styled as an "easy drinking" product. the Australian kind will do.
step 3
look for a medium, preferably a pilot who can offer this peace offering to the little gremlin (A gremlin is a folkloric creature, commonly depicted as mischievous and mechanically oriented with a specific interest in aircraft. Although their origin is found in myths among airmen, claiming that the gremlins were responsible for sabotaging aircraft. The word "gremlin" originated in oral use amongst Royal Air Force (RAF) aviators' slang in Malta, the Middle East and India, with the earliest recorded printed use being a poem published in the journal Aeroplane April 10, 1929.) the gremlin loves this drink so much that it will make your life easier when you fly the Frasca 142. you will fly an SID to the south which will end up with a few outbound intercepts. then this will be followed by inbound intercepts to RS (rosario) you will fly this ancient NDB approach to minimum and then a full MAP. you will then be asked to proceed back to MIA for an ILS approach. by the way, expect a 15knot direct crosswind and you are expected to know the mathematical formulas to compute the WCAs. with the gremlin's seal of approval, you shall be ready for the next step.
PAL is your first choice??
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walk you to step four?
step 4..
easy. jump off a cliff. its the same as signing a training contract with them and subjecting yourself to the PALeolithic culture knowing that there is a beautiful world out here.
in case you do not know.
The Paleolithic (or Palaeolithic) is a prehistoric era distinguished by the development of stone tools. It covers the greatest portion of humanity's time (roughly 99% of human history) on Earth, extending from 2.5 million years ago, with the introduction of stone tools by hominids such as Homo habilis, to the introduction of agriculture and the end of the Pleistocene around 10,000 BC. The term Paleolithic, literally "Old Age of the Stone", was coined by archaeologist John Lubbock in 1865 and derives from the Greek παλαιολιθικός—palaiolithikos, παλαιός—palaios ("old") and λίθος—lithos ("stone"). The Paleolithic era ended with the Mesolithic, or in areas with an early neolithisation, the Epipaleolithic.
easy. jump off a cliff. its the same as signing a training contract with them and subjecting yourself to the PALeolithic culture knowing that there is a beautiful world out here.
in case you do not know.
The Paleolithic (or Palaeolithic) is a prehistoric era distinguished by the development of stone tools. It covers the greatest portion of humanity's time (roughly 99% of human history) on Earth, extending from 2.5 million years ago, with the introduction of stone tools by hominids such as Homo habilis, to the introduction of agriculture and the end of the Pleistocene around 10,000 BC. The term Paleolithic, literally "Old Age of the Stone", was coined by archaeologist John Lubbock in 1865 and derives from the Greek παλαιολιθικός—palaiolithikos, παλαιός—palaios ("old") and λίθος—lithos ("stone"). The Paleolithic era ended with the Mesolithic, or in areas with an early neolithisation, the Epipaleolithic.
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cebu pacific
Hi just a quick question because I read in this thread that for FO ATR in cebu pacific you only need like 500 hrs vs 1500 Airbus? Is this accurate because I checked cebu pacifics site and it only showed me Airbus 1500.
Also if someone here wouldnt mind me asking take home pays for:
1. cebu pacific ATR FO
2. cebu pacific Airbus
3. pal FO
4. Pal SO
Thanks guys!!!
Arthur
Also if someone here wouldnt mind me asking take home pays for:
1. cebu pacific ATR FO
2. cebu pacific Airbus
3. pal FO
4. Pal SO
Thanks guys!!!
Arthur
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What you guys on???
To all of you here asking about getting into Pal and what the life there is like, I have one question for you:
What kind of weed you guys on? Care to share it with everybody else asking?
What kind of weed you guys on? Care to share it with everybody else asking?
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Yep, minimum 500 hours for ATR FOs, and 1500 hours for Airbus FOs. If computations are correct (and I can't be too sure), Airbus FO pay will be about P100,000-120,000 ($2,500-$3,000), ATR Captains P110,000-130,000 ($2,750-$3,250), and ATR FO P60,000-80,000 ($1,500-$2,000). These are net pay and dependant on number of hours flown in a month. Don't know the numbers for PAL. If anybody knows more accurate figures, please do correct me.
Minimum for ATR used to be 700 hours but got lowered to 500. Definitely lots of opportunities for both low and high timers. Second ATR of CP coming within the month (expect 6 by years-end), and the company just recieved their 6th (I think) A320. So that's 18 planes (10 A319, 6 A320, and 2 ATR) by this month. By years-end, probably a total of 25 planes. Looking bright for the "eagle" airline.
Yep, minimum 500 hours for ATR FOs, and 1500 hours for Airbus FOs. If computations are correct (and I can't be too sure), Airbus FO pay will be about P100,000-120,000 ($2,500-$3,000), ATR Captains P110,000-130,000 ($2,750-$3,250), and ATR FO P60,000-80,000 ($1,500-$2,000). These are net pay and dependant on number of hours flown in a month. Don't know the numbers for PAL. If anybody knows more accurate figures, please do correct me.
Minimum for ATR used to be 700 hours but got lowered to 500. Definitely lots of opportunities for both low and high timers. Second ATR of CP coming within the month (expect 6 by years-end), and the company just recieved their 6th (I think) A320. So that's 18 planes (10 A319, 6 A320, and 2 ATR) by this month. By years-end, probably a total of 25 planes. Looking bright for the "eagle" airline.
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thrust clb,
Uh nope it's a first (honest really)...although I do understand why it would seem that way (after reading the posts on the "Clark Av" forum). Cheers and happy flying.
Uh nope it's a first (honest really)...although I do understand why it would seem that way (after reading the posts on the "Clark Av" forum). Cheers and happy flying.
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Re: Mikkideez
hi mikkideez...
thanks for the information about the salaries! wow... thinking if once reached 500 through teaching, will i apply atr f/o or continue for airbus f/o for 1500. hehe
i have another concern if you have any idea about it. can i apply for an f/o job in cebpac or pal if i am just a graduate of a 2 yr degree in aviation? but it can be continued online into a 4 yr course so while working then it is possible to finsih it.
thanks
thanks for the information about the salaries! wow... thinking if once reached 500 through teaching, will i apply atr f/o or continue for airbus f/o for 1500. hehe
i have another concern if you have any idea about it. can i apply for an f/o job in cebpac or pal if i am just a graduate of a 2 yr degree in aviation? but it can be continued online into a 4 yr course so while working then it is possible to finsih it.
thanks
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quick question
I saw in PALs website S/O at least 500. So basically do you even get flight hours as an S/O? and how much would be the salary for that one? How long for F/o job...? Or, better yet what do they do? Thanks wow sorry about the recent inquiries.
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PAL height requirement
Hey guys, i just want to ask if PAL is strict on its height requirement upon employment. Is there any way to enter if your below the requirement assuming that you have the qualified flying time and experience? 