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Old 24th Nov 2007, 11:08
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i dont think so..... then why are bupackers here with me, if given the chance would jump over the other side. Some even paid a price just to get to the other side.
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Old 24th Nov 2007, 16:35
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bansai,
correk ka dyan my friend!
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 00:40
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this is clearly because unlike LT , bupak is still relatively new to the industry , where it doesnt have arms and legs yet to almost all parts of system. It will grow soon. when you have connect, you will use them with one push of the button. I see your point.
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 04:53
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ang maiwan talo (those left behind may end up losers)

Pinoy pilots: come on guys.
You should read the worldwide demand for pilots by now. Rishworth going to manila means that airlines do need many many pilots. Airlines are also paying premium amounts to get the best pilots anywhere, everywhere.
But switik LT will not let this happen in the Republic of Lucio that easily. Specially when LT switik's money talks, everybody listens in this island republic.
But gentlemen, all job opportunities are available online in the internet!!!
Agents like Rishworth will provide for free air tickets to interview venues abroad. All you need to do is apply online.
Do you need a banda musico to pick you up or Rishworth to fetch you in Manila to go with better job opportunites abroad? Remember the alamat of Juan Tamad waiting for the guava to drop into his mouth?
What does it take to wake you up to reality that you are being exploited day in day out at PAL?
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 05:24
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to CESSNA

thank you.. I really envy guys who just easily get into the group without extra effort... can U tell me if what are the chances of getting into PAL AV alpha 2008? is it really that hard? I mean most of my friends say that its better in CIA coz there is no "PALAKASAN SYSTEM" meaning walang halong politika... its really hard to find connections in PAL
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 06:50
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Guys, you don't need Rishworth to come here.
Just check their website - WOW !!! ..... full of jobs for Captains and F/O's.

Anywhere from Airbus, Boeings and ATRs.
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Old 26th Nov 2007, 16:13
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My dear kababayan,

Believe it or not, I read all your posts with great enjoyment. I usually sit and contemplate if I should share my views. The topics mainly go round and round.... from applying for PAL SO jobs.... to LT being a selfish, lowlife bloodsucking pig.... to PAL pilots applying to jobs outside.
The latter interests me the most because it feeds the other topics like dominoes.
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1. PAL pilots applies and gets a job outside
2. LT suffers because it cost him to train new pilots
3. PAL needs to hire new SOs to replace the FO that replace the Captains.
4. the whole cycle feeds on itself... yay

The other reason is I can start vicious rumours without any retribution.

No seriously, please take the time to look and you maybe surprised! Then again... if you wait and open your mouth wide enough.....the guava may drop! Just pray it isn't Koyang's bullsh.. that drops!
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Old 26th Nov 2007, 23:54
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Pinoy "pwede na rin" attitude

i have talked to a lot of pinoy pilots in the recent past. one reason they stay in such pathetic conditions is the attitude of "pwede na rin."
they are very well aware that they are getting unfair deals but choose to stay because of their unwillingness to get out of their comfort zones.
of course getting out of pal will require adjustments. but the rewards are all worth it.
only two tips from my own experience i can share.
1. if you work abroad forget about all the practices that we are used to in PAL. open your mind to those which are being practiced in your new workplace.
2. do not attempt to get into a foreign carrier then jump the contract to go back to PAL. to reap the rewards you should have the attitude of "no turning back" just like when you were a cadet. one management pilot went to asiana & did so & spreads word around pal that the conditions outside are not good (this mgt pilot is pathetic- people do not like him in pal either for his abusive behavior towards trainees)
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Old 27th Nov 2007, 19:07
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Kapalmuks...You should work for Rishworth, better yet..you should start your own Pilot recruitment agency.
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Old 28th Nov 2007, 00:35
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recruitment agency?!

thrust climb: thanks for the complement (or kantsaw/insult...hahaha).
i am too old to start an agency business. i also lack the money or technical knowledge to enter this kind of business. i am better off waiting for my cash bonus from own agency.
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Old 29th Nov 2007, 20:38
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abusive in asiana?

is he still there? this ex-management pilot? Or he has proven himself right and left for somewhere else?
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Old 1st Dec 2007, 02:29
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this active pal mgt pilot referred to in an earlier thread as Red Pay is still there spreading word around that conditions outside are not good. he attended some days of ground school in kimpo then ask permission to go home to manila on a weekend. he never went back. some say he might be a "pakawala" (mole) out to discredit those going outside & do some propaganda work inside pal. as i said earlier nothing but pathetic.
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Old 1st Dec 2007, 09:30
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pathetic management pilot

If the regular line pilots do not see the color and motives of this "red pay pilot", then they are the ones who are pathetic. They deserve what they get.

I have said before, we should gather strength each time we fall. The 1998 fiasco happened and lessons can be learned from it. That is, if we are willing to learn. It appears that the Kapitan had succeeded in dividing us against ourselves. Pretty much the way our politicos had divided us. That way they can use us the way they want to and without impunity. The expat duty is a temporary boon for us, pilots. What about when everything finally stabilizes?

Then we fall back into the benevolent(?) hands of the Chinese in the Philippines.
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Old 1st Dec 2007, 13:14
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Guys, I think it's safe to say that PAL or this Red Pay pilot spreading bad vibes regarding overseas posting is fooling no one. Every Filipino pilot or even an ordinary one knows that situations can get better 95% of the time when going overseas and experiencing good terms and conditions and treatment from management.

Just ignore him I reckon.

Anyone interested in mentoring us who is just about to join the airlines in the Philippines. Let us have your inputs about do's and dont's so the ones in PAL now can last long enough to serve their contracts.

I've heard that one Fil/Australian guy left PAL after only 6 months.
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Old 2nd Dec 2007, 02:34
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naive me..

is it really that bad???!!!!!

I guess the romance of flying has lost its glamore...

"love it or leave it"
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Old 3rd Dec 2007, 08:22
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the dirty tricks dept of PAL really turns me off. but there are other venues for a pilot career & the glamour is not lost at all. they treat pilots better in other parts of the globe.
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Old 21st Dec 2007, 03:45
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PAL had a 747 captain who tendered in his resignation last week. He would effectively wants to be out of PAL by April, and gave PAL 120 days advanced notice for this. Problem is, PAL wants a 6 months advanced notice whereas the Philippine labor code only (I think, got to check on this) requires a 30 day notice.

More work for the lawyers I guess
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Old 21st Dec 2007, 05:05
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I've heard of this 747 Capt who resigned recently. this is a very young line instructor capt: very promising. but PAL broke all its promise & no future in staying there. i would say 85% of pal pilots do not see themselves staying for long or retiring with PAL. only those who cannot make it outside will stay.
if i were this 747 capt, i will forget about talking with pal in a civilized way. how can Koyang put out a NTP (notice to pilots) demanding 6 months notice for all pilots when these pilots signed training contracts of 3 years service & 120 days notice if they do not finish the contract? I'm sure this capt has finished his 3 years service on that position & now pal is demanding 6 months!!!! Pure insanity!!!
a 737 capt who went to vietnam sent his lawyer to pal flt ops when he was summoned. his lawyer & the PAL lawyer (who happen to be friends in the law school) agreed that this NTP of Koyang the Great is non-binding. pal legal dept is saying that flt ops always goes to them for help to straighten out onerous policies that flt ops put out so as to be in good graces with their god Lucio. This is according to my sources in makati. again when the 737 pilot came out to check his resignation status with HRD, he learned that he was summarily terminated even when his lawyer was waiting for further summons as agreed upon during the 1st meeting. another only in the Philippines?! Unbelievable... PAL.
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Old 21st Dec 2007, 22:13
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6 month notice not in the contract

Tomadatchi bansai: i like to respectfully correct you on the 6 months notice issue on PAL trng contract.
No they are not in the contract with respect to this 747 capt who resigned recently. The 6 month notice was introduced by Koyang the great thru a Notice to pilots (NTP) dated sometime Jan 2006. This 747 Capt signed his trng contract way way back before this NTP. His trng contract I will guess may have provided for 120 days notice if he does not finish the 3 years service.
If say for example said capt trained in 747 capt position earlier than Dec 2004, the 3 years service is complied with. In short he is required by law to give 30 days notice.
Or if he went to trng later then Dec 2004 & thus did not finish the 3 years service, he should be required to give 120 days notice. this is what he did is my guess again.
A contract is suppose to set conditions with mutual agreement from both parties. Did any pilot or this concerned 747 pilot sign this NTP from king Koyang? No!!! It is unilateral & very one sided. But with the PAL mentality of "mgt is always right", all pilots should comply.
To my understanding, NTP's are issued with regards to operational matters but not for employment condition issues. For example, can Koyang issue a NTP saying for example that effective tomorrow pilot salaries will be reduced to half? Of course not!!
Only in the Philippines?
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Old 22nd Dec 2007, 13:43
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Separating the individual from the organization

JA,JH,LL,BG, etc are the individuals you love to hate. Maybe they deserve your hatred. But I would like us to spare the company - PAL.

I used to be with the Company until that fateful 1998 debacle.

Even before I joined this Company I have looked at it with reverence. When I first left Philippine shores in the mid eighties, I stayed abroad for more than a month. Since this is my first time away, I really got terribly homesick. I maintained my connection with my country via San Miguel Beer and PLDT. Until one day while traversing the expressway of this foreign land, I saw the tail of a PAL B747. And I thought then "home is just a planeride away". Since then, I have always considered the three: SAN MIGUEL BEER, PLDT, and PAL as Filipino institutions - any Filipino's connection to his beloved country whenever he is in foreign land.

When I became a PAL pilot, whenever I am asked where I worked, I declare with pride and confidence that I am indeed a PAL pilot. And there is no mistaking in the apparent respect that I get from these new acquaintances. I have also sensed that Filipinos are proud of PAL. And so are its employees.

PAL is now rehabilitated financially. If PAL should wish to get back to its former noble pioneering place in the airline industry, it should undergo another rehabilitation. It needs to bring back the smiles and pride in its employees (not just the pilots). The Filipino planeriding public will always look at PAL as part of its heritage - an institution close to their hearts.

The people running or managing this great Company should view the significance of its historical role. It is not just business. It is also national pride.

Merry Christmas sa inyong lahat!

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