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MY QUESTION IS WHY???WHY DO PEOPLE OF YOUR KIND SPREAD WRONG INFORMATION, ... AND WHY DO YOUR PEOPLE BELIEVE(OR MAYBE WANT TO BELIEVE.... )
Well...That is the sad truth about some Filipinos. I hope we can change or remove this trait, but I think it's impossible due to hundreds of years of influence from other nationalities/countries...But we can try it in our own humble way right?
Thank you for sharing us your good experiences with some of our kababayans...
Take care and more power
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crab mentality
I was also a victim of this crab mentality/paninira in my previous genav company(thanks to our chief mechanic and others for doing it and my boss who actually believed him/them)...I just want to tell them "Hey 
, I am well alive and kicking here, the a/c's that I am flying right now have complete and working instruments (not displays like yours) with HSI, RNAV, and transponder or shall I say Instrument Rated...unlike yours that smells and works like mainly becuase of the leech (chief mech) that maintains,or pretending to maintain them...
Bansai,
People like them don't have souls to realize the dedication, the sweat and blood that we pour just to work in extreme conditions...while they are just sitting on their comfy chairs in their airconditioned office pretending to work or beat deadlines...I just wonder if they do sleep peacefully every night...
I do believe that whatever one will do...It will come back 10 folds, how bad or good it is...
Good day everyone
A6
, I am well alive and kicking here, the a/c's that I am flying right now have complete and working instruments (not displays like yours) with HSI, RNAV, and transponder or shall I say Instrument Rated...unlike yours that smells and works like mainly becuase of the leech (chief mech) that maintains,or pretending to maintain them...Bansai,
People like them don't have souls to realize the dedication, the sweat and blood that we pour just to work in extreme conditions...while they are just sitting on their comfy chairs in their airconditioned office pretending to work or beat deadlines...I just wonder if they do sleep peacefully every night...
I do believe that whatever one will do...It will come back 10 folds, how bad or good it is...
Good day everyone
A6
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Hi Bansai,
It's very pleasant to fly here in DXB sir...but only during winter, which is until late march
. I want to join PAL because it's the flag carrier of Phils., of it's international routes and being the 1st airline in Asia, correct me if I'm wrong. I will also apply to all the airlines in the Phils. when I finish my contract here sir, and that I gained enough hours. Thank you for sharing me your experience and advice. Yes I will not mind those "crabs" at home, I'll just let karma deal with them.
All the best and more power to you sir
Godbless us always
Fly safe
A6
It's very pleasant to fly here in DXB sir...but only during winter, which is until late march
. I want to join PAL because it's the flag carrier of Phils., of it's international routes and being the 1st airline in Asia, correct me if I'm wrong. I will also apply to all the airlines in the Phils. when I finish my contract here sir, and that I gained enough hours. Thank you for sharing me your experience and advice. Yes I will not mind those "crabs" at home, I'll just let karma deal with them.All the best and more power to you sir
Godbless us always
Fly safe
A6
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To Mak, A6 et al....
Hello guys, sorry been busy working in a dynamic environment.
So to answer your question as to why people do the things they do?
I guess one word sums it up.......BREEDING...........
Not to put anyone down here but at the end of the day the golden rule applies to most anything, people who put down other people belong to certain groups.
-individuals that harbor great amounts of insecurity, e.g. have huge chips on their seemingly broad four barred shoulders, specially when they belong to an elevated position in the administrative food chain.
-individuals who fail to percieve the a** end of receiving the short stick when it comes to dealing with people in the cockpit.
I guess it's appropriate to say that unless you have worked in a multi-cultural
environment, the world as you see it is quite small indeed....
hope this helps.
So to answer your question as to why people do the things they do?
I guess one word sums it up.......BREEDING...........
Not to put anyone down here but at the end of the day the golden rule applies to most anything, people who put down other people belong to certain groups.
-individuals that harbor great amounts of insecurity, e.g. have huge chips on their seemingly broad four barred shoulders, specially when they belong to an elevated position in the administrative food chain.
-individuals who fail to percieve the a** end of receiving the short stick when it comes to dealing with people in the cockpit.
I guess it's appropriate to say that unless you have worked in a multi-cultural
environment, the world as you see it is quite small indeed....
hope this helps.
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Crab Mentality - Ang Kabalbalan ng mga Pinoy
Mako, I laud you for being so fortright in your thoughts and for being so candid and straightforward in your observations about us pinoys. Having been married to a Filipina has definitely made you learn more about our culture.
While I agree that this type of mentality is quite prevalent in our society, I must say also that this behavior is also common everywhere else, and therefore is not unique only in Philippine culture. Filipinos do not deride each other more than other nationalities do.
Anywhere you look, I am sure you will find this kind of behavior - the crab attitude - in any social classes and culture. However, it is perhaps due to the Filipinos penchant for gossips and rumours and tabloid talk that makes this so-called "talangka/crab" mentality seem like an inherent quality among pinoys.
In fairness, though, most of us pinoys somehow are able to transform this negative social concept into something positive. The common observation is that if one crab tries to climb out of a hole, the others follow suit and start pulling the one on top to get ahead of the rest. But if you observe closely enough, and quite amazingly, all of them eventually manage to get out. Now this where the other good traits of pinoys get into the picture. Filipinos are also known for being helpful and compassionate to others. We also have in our culture the so-called "bayanihan" attitude meaning cooperation and helping others. It is very typical in our culture that when a family member becomes successful, he or she feels somehow obligated to help the less fortunate members of the family (and Mako, since you are married to a Filipina, I am sure you are aware of this). And since the analogy is made between us and crabs, we only have to think that the one who managed to get on top should pull the others at the bottom and not vice versa.
This is also true among pinoy expat pilots, well...except for a few I would say. When somebody becomes successful, he helps the others to get to where he is by pulling them. I know that in PAL or Cebu Pac, kahit na sabihin nyo na may mga asshole tayong kababayan, meron din namang tumutulong.
So yes, I agree. Crab mentality, though to my opinion is not too politically correct, is one of those undesirable traits that pinoys have. But we must also bear in mind that crabs, quite instinctively, only fight for good reasons, which is survival.
It is therefore up to us to rise above the challenge. Isipin nyo na lang na kung yung mga talangka kaya nilang makaahon at makalabas sa butas, tayo pa kaya?
PINOY, BUMANGON KA!
While I agree that this type of mentality is quite prevalent in our society, I must say also that this behavior is also common everywhere else, and therefore is not unique only in Philippine culture. Filipinos do not deride each other more than other nationalities do.
Anywhere you look, I am sure you will find this kind of behavior - the crab attitude - in any social classes and culture. However, it is perhaps due to the Filipinos penchant for gossips and rumours and tabloid talk that makes this so-called "talangka/crab" mentality seem like an inherent quality among pinoys.
In fairness, though, most of us pinoys somehow are able to transform this negative social concept into something positive. The common observation is that if one crab tries to climb out of a hole, the others follow suit and start pulling the one on top to get ahead of the rest. But if you observe closely enough, and quite amazingly, all of them eventually manage to get out. Now this where the other good traits of pinoys get into the picture. Filipinos are also known for being helpful and compassionate to others. We also have in our culture the so-called "bayanihan" attitude meaning cooperation and helping others. It is very typical in our culture that when a family member becomes successful, he or she feels somehow obligated to help the less fortunate members of the family (and Mako, since you are married to a Filipina, I am sure you are aware of this). And since the analogy is made between us and crabs, we only have to think that the one who managed to get on top should pull the others at the bottom and not vice versa.
This is also true among pinoy expat pilots, well...except for a few I would say. When somebody becomes successful, he helps the others to get to where he is by pulling them. I know that in PAL or Cebu Pac, kahit na sabihin nyo na may mga asshole tayong kababayan, meron din namang tumutulong.
So yes, I agree. Crab mentality, though to my opinion is not too politically correct, is one of those undesirable traits that pinoys have. But we must also bear in mind that crabs, quite instinctively, only fight for good reasons, which is survival.
It is therefore up to us to rise above the challenge. Isipin nyo na lang na kung yung mga talangka kaya nilang makaahon at makalabas sa butas, tayo pa kaya?
PINOY, BUMANGON KA!
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Filipinos working overseas
Hi Guys,
I have been away from the Philippines for around 20 years now ( on and off ) and I have definitely been out of touch with the situation back home.
Just wanting to ask what POEA's role is in giving OFWs permission to work overseas.
If a pilot from PAL or any other airline for that matter wanted to work abroad and was given a working visa or permanent residency by a foreign country and a job offer by a company, how does POEA fit into all of this ? Do they have any right to refuse departure to any OFWs or pilots specifically at the gate ?
I've heard domestic helpers being refused departure by POEA and I just wanted to ask if they can do the same thing to pilots or any other workers.
Just trying to help someone.
Cheers
D6
I have been away from the Philippines for around 20 years now ( on and off ) and I have definitely been out of touch with the situation back home.
Just wanting to ask what POEA's role is in giving OFWs permission to work overseas.
If a pilot from PAL or any other airline for that matter wanted to work abroad and was given a working visa or permanent residency by a foreign country and a job offer by a company, how does POEA fit into all of this ? Do they have any right to refuse departure to any OFWs or pilots specifically at the gate ?
I've heard domestic helpers being refused departure by POEA and I just wanted to ask if they can do the same thing to pilots or any other workers.
Just trying to help someone.
Cheers
D6
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Exodus #2 or was is #3!
Hello gentlemen.....
This talk is interesting pero baka may maiinis lang kung magsalita pa ako.... so i've decided to come with better news!!
JOBS!!!!! THE EXODUS IS ON!!!
mark my words.... jobs are for the pickin! Those who say it isn't about the money are either fools or in management.
start clicking here:
jetstar asia (A320 - singapore)
tiger airways (A320 - http://www.tigerairways.com/about/careers.php#fcc299)
Hong kong express (737 - hk http://www.hongkongexpress.com/?stru...articleid=134)
Emirates (777 - dubai http://www.emiratesgroupcareers.com/)
Japan (737-5 capt http://www.flightglobal.com/JobConta...+Captains.html)
Korean Air (B744 - http://www.flightglobal.com/Jobs/2007/02/01/1454352/korean-air-b744-b777-b737ng-captain-vacancies.html)
Jade Cargo (B744 - http://www.jadecargo.com/PilotsRecru...5/Default.aspx)
Just think what you can do with US$10k a month
This talk is interesting pero baka may maiinis lang kung magsalita pa ako.... so i've decided to come with better news!!
JOBS!!!!! THE EXODUS IS ON!!!
mark my words.... jobs are for the pickin! Those who say it isn't about the money are either fools or in management.
start clicking here:
jetstar asia (A320 - singapore)
tiger airways (A320 - http://www.tigerairways.com/about/careers.php#fcc299)
Hong kong express (737 - hk http://www.hongkongexpress.com/?stru...articleid=134)
Emirates (777 - dubai http://www.emiratesgroupcareers.com/)
Japan (737-5 capt http://www.flightglobal.com/JobConta...+Captains.html)
Korean Air (B744 - http://www.flightglobal.com/Jobs/2007/02/01/1454352/korean-air-b744-b777-b737ng-captain-vacancies.html)
Jade Cargo (B744 - http://www.jadecargo.com/PilotsRecru...5/Default.aspx)
Just think what you can do with US$10k a month
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Hi Bansai,
In regards to the loop hole, what if the visa is a working visa and not tourist. Obviously, the company would give him this prior to him being hired.
Can they stop him ?
I've asked this guy to consult a lawyer already due to this but I just wanted to get your point of view in regards to this and other experiences.
D6
In regards to the loop hole, what if the visa is a working visa and not tourist. Obviously, the company would give him this prior to him being hired.
Can they stop him ?
I've asked this guy to consult a lawyer already due to this but I just wanted to get your point of view in regards to this and other experiences.
D6
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bansai...
which airlines requires DOLE clearance? any airline abroad require POEA papers?
Your friend, where is he going? Pilots are supposed to be direct hires..right?
thanks....
which airlines requires DOLE clearance? any airline abroad require POEA papers?
Your friend, where is he going? Pilots are supposed to be direct hires..right?
thanks....
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leaving the roost..............
Guys, you don't need any of that bureaucratic mumbo jumbo at all. Just go to any Asean country (you don't need a visa). Make your connection from Hong Kong, Bangkok, Jakarta, Singapore. The Migra doesn't have any right to stop you. you are going as a tourist by the way.
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Bansai - ohayo gosaimas !!!
That's just it, by the time he leaves the country the visa would be a working visa.
I guess the other alternative would be as you said to have a tourist visa then convert to a working visa when he gets here.
Looks like the other alternative is to have a permanent resident visa so immigration will not put him thru the griller.
Geeezzzz.......
D6
That's just it, by the time he leaves the country the visa would be a working visa.
I guess the other alternative would be as you said to have a tourist visa then convert to a working visa when he gets here.
Looks like the other alternative is to have a permanent resident visa so immigration will not put him thru the griller.
Geeezzzz.......
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About that overshoot in Tacloban - a pilot told me that there are skid marks leading right up to the edge of the runway. A problem with the anti-skid? Or was it manually switched off? One thinks disabling a working a/skid wouldn't do to shorten the landing roll...?
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"I dont think the pilots took out the Anti skid. Even with Anti-skid "ON" it is still possible to have skid marks on the R/wy due to heavy braking. Remember that the Anti-skid system is just to prevent the vehicle (car or plane) not to spin on a locked a wheel. If all the wheels are locked or have the same braking power, then the vehicle wont spin thus you can still have the skid marks on the r/wy."
Say WHAT??
The reason airplanes have anti-skid systems is to prevent wheel lock-ups in the first place. The reason being that a locked wheel has a lower coefficient of friction and thus decreased braking action compared to a wheel that is just short of locking up - just on the verge of skidding but still rolling. If the a/skid system is working properly, both pilots could be absolutely standing on the pedals and the wheels should not lock up. The wheels will be kept just barely on the rolling side of that fine edge between locking and not locking. This gives max deceleration.
The PAL overshoot in Tacloban had skid marks running in essentially straight lines right up to the end of the rwy. It seems that the skid lines were the result of a lockup and not due to any swerving (anti-skid won't affect a skid due to a swerve anyway).
Again, I'm wondering why the locked brakes in the first place. People have said the Captain involved is one of the good guys, so I hope he gets a fair shot at this. If it was problem with the airplane I hope PAL does the right thing and not crucify the innocent.
Say WHAT??
The reason airplanes have anti-skid systems is to prevent wheel lock-ups in the first place. The reason being that a locked wheel has a lower coefficient of friction and thus decreased braking action compared to a wheel that is just short of locking up - just on the verge of skidding but still rolling. If the a/skid system is working properly, both pilots could be absolutely standing on the pedals and the wheels should not lock up. The wheels will be kept just barely on the rolling side of that fine edge between locking and not locking. This gives max deceleration.
The PAL overshoot in Tacloban had skid marks running in essentially straight lines right up to the end of the rwy. It seems that the skid lines were the result of a lockup and not due to any swerving (anti-skid won't affect a skid due to a swerve anyway).
Again, I'm wondering why the locked brakes in the first place. People have said the Captain involved is one of the good guys, so I hope he gets a fair shot at this. If it was problem with the airplane I hope PAL does the right thing and not crucify the innocent.
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Guys,
Let's not jump into any conclusion here. Let's leave that to the accident board to investigate. There could've been a million reasons why the aircraft skidded and overshot the runway. These things happen even to the best of us.
And to add to the Anti-skid - this type of system was designed to reduce the braking power on an interval so the wheels will not lock up and skid.
It looks similar to the accident at Little Rock, Arkansas. I wonder if the aircraft in Tacloban had it's thrust reversers engaged and the spoilers deployed.
Were there any fatalities ?
D6
Let's not jump into any conclusion here. Let's leave that to the accident board to investigate. There could've been a million reasons why the aircraft skidded and overshot the runway. These things happen even to the best of us.
And to add to the Anti-skid - this type of system was designed to reduce the braking power on an interval so the wheels will not lock up and skid.
It looks similar to the accident at Little Rock, Arkansas. I wonder if the aircraft in Tacloban had it's thrust reversers engaged and the spoilers deployed.
Were there any fatalities ?
D6
