PAL Pilot Exodus
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I cant believe it! 5 more years of JA & JH! My God! (atleast JDC is out).This 2 must have done a good job in the eyes of LT to have 5 more years in the job. Hey JH & JA dont be too sure on your boss. At age 64, he'll come up with someting to terminate your services thus forfeiting your beefy retirements. That's savings again for PAL, maybe something like P40million+ between the 2 of you. Your retirement down the drain just like what he did with the others in 98.
I've heard so many horror stories about resigning from PAL. Like the pilot who went to complain to DOLE, only to be told by his friend (working in DOLE) that its going to be of no use filing a complaint because LT has the main man already. So the advice of his friend from DOLE: go AWOL! This pilot just wasted a few months of his earnings going to the proper channels. He just gave PAL time to **** him up. And what a **** he got! No salary, no flights, no ID, no acceptance letter, no letter of recommendation, no nothing! So a word of advice to those resigning, dont go through the proper channel. Its the same result anyway. Just tell PAL: Talk to my lawyer!
I've heard so many horror stories about resigning from PAL. Like the pilot who went to complain to DOLE, only to be told by his friend (working in DOLE) that its going to be of no use filing a complaint because LT has the main man already. So the advice of his friend from DOLE: go AWOL! This pilot just wasted a few months of his earnings going to the proper channels. He just gave PAL time to **** him up. And what a **** he got! No salary, no flights, no ID, no acceptance letter, no letter of recommendation, no nothing! So a word of advice to those resigning, dont go through the proper channel. Its the same result anyway. Just tell PAL: Talk to my lawyer!
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only time will tell..........................
So everyone has to believe that the angel of karma will descend on the
people you think deserve to go to jail and not collect 200? Like was said before and will be said over and over again, if you don't like the heat of the kitchen, then get out. It's pretty simple really. You can rant and rave till your face turns blue hoping that mr. so and so gets his due, well, dream on. You are just wasting your precious time left in your profession on a gamble you hope to win.
Haven't you seen the statistics? the house always wins !! Gamble with your future somewhere else or take your bag of chips and cash in while you still can. That is why its called gambling. You gamble to stay hoping that things will change for the better.
It's the same everywhere, you get shoved with a red hot p****r up your behind while screaming to high heavens that you deserve better. At least you get paid and treated better elsewhere.
Life is full of choices gents. put up or shut up. Sorry to be so cynical about it but the bed was made long ago already, do you still continue to want to lie in it? People will come and go, the next one will be the same as the last, don't believe for a minute that things will change for the better without you making the change yourself.
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people you think deserve to go to jail and not collect 200? Like was said before and will be said over and over again, if you don't like the heat of the kitchen, then get out. It's pretty simple really. You can rant and rave till your face turns blue hoping that mr. so and so gets his due, well, dream on. You are just wasting your precious time left in your profession on a gamble you hope to win.
Haven't you seen the statistics? the house always wins !! Gamble with your future somewhere else or take your bag of chips and cash in while you still can. That is why its called gambling. You gamble to stay hoping that things will change for the better.
It's the same everywhere, you get shoved with a red hot p****r up your behind while screaming to high heavens that you deserve better. At least you get paid and treated better elsewhere.
Life is full of choices gents. put up or shut up. Sorry to be so cynical about it but the bed was made long ago already, do you still continue to want to lie in it? People will come and go, the next one will be the same as the last, don't believe for a minute that things will change for the better without you making the change yourself.
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SF,
I agree. Your post hits it right on the head. Put up or shut up!
boys...
Early next year I'll post 747 FO positions that have a monthly salary of USD9k
28 days vacation pa, full medical + dependants, schooling and accomodation allowance with rapid command. (close to manila!)
btw... anyone heard lately from JA's friend... J del C? Hey J... if you follow this thread PM me!
I agree. Your post hits it right on the head. Put up or shut up!
boys...
Early next year I'll post 747 FO positions that have a monthly salary of USD9k
28 days vacation pa, full medical + dependants, schooling and accomodation allowance with rapid command. (close to manila!)btw... anyone heard lately from JA's friend... J del C? Hey J... if you follow this thread PM me!
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well..............
Guys, lighten up, I meant that the QR guys would be crying because they didn't leave PR sooner. NOT because PR increased the wages to still be the lowest in the region, RP standard or not.
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Cheers guys!
Been fallowin yer threads....flown with a few blokes from yer side, very alryt guys.. heards a few nasty stories but shur glad everythins great!!
keep em flyin lads
Been fallowin yer threads....flown with a few blokes from yer side, very alryt guys.. heards a few nasty stories but shur glad everythins great!!
keep em flyin lads
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SF,
I agree. Your post hits it right on the head. Put up or shut up!
boys...
Early next year I'll post 747 FO positions that have a monthly salary of USD9k 28 days vacation pa, full medical + dependants, schooling and accomodation allowance with rapid command. (close to manila!)
btw... anyone heard lately from JA's friend... J del C? Hey J... if you follow this thread PM me!
I agree. Your post hits it right on the head. Put up or shut up!
boys...
Early next year I'll post 747 FO positions that have a monthly salary of USD9k
28 days vacation pa, full medical + dependants, schooling and accomodation allowance with rapid command. (close to manila!)btw... anyone heard lately from JA's friend... J del C? Hey J... if you follow this thread PM me!
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hello again guys, just would like to ask if now would be a good time to apply at the av school considering that:
a. my dad used to fly for PAL for 18+ yrs and is flying with his new employer for almost 3 years now
b. his name would ring a bell to those acronyms you've mentioned so far
c. application is as early as the start of the year (?)
i do believe that PAL is the best in the country when it comes to training would-be pilots... i just would like to know my chances and if ever, other options if (God forbid) things beyond my control won't allow me to even get the chance to apply.
thanks!
a. my dad used to fly for PAL for 18+ yrs and is flying with his new employer for almost 3 years now
b. his name would ring a bell to those acronyms you've mentioned so far
c. application is as early as the start of the year (?)
i do believe that PAL is the best in the country when it comes to training would-be pilots... i just would like to know my chances and if ever, other options if (God forbid) things beyond my control won't allow me to even get the chance to apply.
thanks!
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Paolylo,
You can try. But dont get your hopes very high. JA & JH are known for their style of "if I cannot get back at the father, I will get back at the son". It has been proven a lot of times already. But who knows, maybe they are in a good mood because of the Christmas season.
Check the credentials of the flight instructors also. During our time, we had an FI who doesnt even know how to fly in instrument approach and asking a PT to do FOUR 360deg steep turns per side!!! Just imagine that.
I think I flew with your dad when he was still in the 744 division.
You can try. But dont get your hopes very high. JA & JH are known for their style of "if I cannot get back at the father, I will get back at the son". It has been proven a lot of times already. But who knows, maybe they are in a good mood because of the Christmas season.
Check the credentials of the flight instructors also. During our time, we had an FI who doesnt even know how to fly in instrument approach and asking a PT to do FOUR 360deg steep turns per side!!! Just imagine that.
I think I flew with your dad when he was still in the 744 division.
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hi everyone im new here, i knew there a lot of seniors in the av industry in this forum. im preparing to get into pal av school by early next year i dont know if ts the first batch. would you mind sharing thoughts and advises for aspiring pilot like me? thank you any sights will be big help.
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isn't PAL sticking to its belief that it's cheaper to train pilots since it's the aspiring cadets themselves (and/or their families) will shoulder most (if not all) of the expenses? if PAL's fleet is expanding, then i don't see any reason why they won't accept any aspirant that's willing to pay the sum of money for training. i did post here months ago and even went to p.faura to get a form but wasn't ready to apply then because i was under a contract with my current job, now that i can resign and apply in time for the upcoming batch... i really hope the enrollment will be smooth.
@bansai!
from what my mom tells me, they did get back at my dad by shortchanging him of his retirement pay...
@kontra
yes, my dad was in the 744 division.
@bansai!
from what my mom tells me, they did get back at my dad by shortchanging him of his retirement pay...
@kontra
yes, my dad was in the 744 division.
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paolylo,
being a son of a former pal pilot can really ruin your chances of making the cut. alot of deserving candidates have been turned down for this reason. THREE candidates from the last batch of applicants qualified but were turned down for being in the same situation as yours, so be realistic about your goals. those guys in management can be very nasty to guys like you. the dad of one of them was asked to give up his EK job to have his daugher accepted. now aint that sad?
yes pal believes that its cheaper to train new hires but then there are a lot of applicants willing to spend big bucks to fly airliners and the slots are quite limited. pal screens applicants thoroughly and it doesn't actually help when your last name ring a bell in management. i am sure your dad knows some people in pal who can assist you in your application. it would be best not to give up your present job until you actually get into av school. it's gonna be tough for you but then there's nothing wrong in trying ang giving it your best shot.
good luck!
being a son of a former pal pilot can really ruin your chances of making the cut. alot of deserving candidates have been turned down for this reason. THREE candidates from the last batch of applicants qualified but were turned down for being in the same situation as yours, so be realistic about your goals. those guys in management can be very nasty to guys like you. the dad of one of them was asked to give up his EK job to have his daugher accepted. now aint that sad?
yes pal believes that its cheaper to train new hires but then there are a lot of applicants willing to spend big bucks to fly airliners and the slots are quite limited. pal screens applicants thoroughly and it doesn't actually help when your last name ring a bell in management. i am sure your dad knows some people in pal who can assist you in your application. it would be best not to give up your present job until you actually get into av school. it's gonna be tough for you but then there's nothing wrong in trying ang giving it your best shot.
good luck!
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Ever since my first professional pilot job in the US I have done everything to advice, guide and help young Filpinos in this industry. This eventually led to being part of the Board of Directors for the Filipino American Pilot's Association (FAPA) which some of you have joined or heard about.
I now have to turn to you for help. Someone close to me has been down on his luck and has been on a graveyard spiral for the past few years. After a lifetime of career building my father has found himself starting from scratch at close to age 60. It absolutely breaks my heart that I am able to help others in the States, including the sons and daughters of my father's so called "enemies" from this PAL scandal, and yet I cannot do anything at all to help my own father find a job in the Philippines that will feed him and his family.
And so I am reaching out to you and ask for your help. Please advise if you have real leads from General Aviation to Corporate to the Airlines, no job too big or small, flying the line or management/desk job. I am not much for holding on to pride and will easily lay it down to help a friend...especially my own father. Thank you for listening and Happy Holidays.
SBV
I now have to turn to you for help. Someone close to me has been down on his luck and has been on a graveyard spiral for the past few years. After a lifetime of career building my father has found himself starting from scratch at close to age 60. It absolutely breaks my heart that I am able to help others in the States, including the sons and daughters of my father's so called "enemies" from this PAL scandal, and yet I cannot do anything at all to help my own father find a job in the Philippines that will feed him and his family.
And so I am reaching out to you and ask for your help. Please advise if you have real leads from General Aviation to Corporate to the Airlines, no job too big or small, flying the line or management/desk job. I am not much for holding on to pride and will easily lay it down to help a friend...especially my own father. Thank you for listening and Happy Holidays.
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I now have to turn to you for help. Someone close to me has been down on his luck and has been on a graveyard spiral for the past few years. After a lifetime of career building my father has found himself starting from scratch at close to age 60. It absolutely breaks my heart that I am able to help others in the States, including the sons and daughters of my father's so called "enemies" from this PAL scandal, and yet I cannot do anything at all to help my own father find a job in the Philippines that will feed him and his family.
And so I am reaching out to you and ask for your help. Please advise if you have real leads from General Aviation to Corporate to the Airlines, no job too big or small, flying the line or management/desk job. I am not much for holding on to pride and will easily lay it down to help a friend...especially my own father. Thank you for listening and Happy Holidays.
SBV
And so I am reaching out to you and ask for your help. Please advise if you have real leads from General Aviation to Corporate to the Airlines, no job too big or small, flying the line or management/desk job. I am not much for holding on to pride and will easily lay it down to help a friend...especially my own father. Thank you for listening and Happy Holidays.
SBV
SBV, the question is how desperate is he ? Please don't get me wrong but sometimes we have to come back to reality that aviation jobs especially in the Philippines can somewhat be elusive for a few years for others.
As you said, he needs something to do to feed his family. I would advise that while he is looking for a flying job why doesn't he take on other jobs for the meantime. I have seen airline pilots here who have lost their jobs in an airline strike take on menial jobs just to feed their families while waiting for the break. If he is doing this now, then it's just a matter of time but then again at age 60 it might take more than just a CV being submitted. You need connection from the inside and sad to say "grease" money.
I'll PM you a guy who owns an air charter company in the Philippines as i know he is looking for a CP and see if this will do for the meantime ( I know this as the job was offered to me initially). I'll also see if I still have the name of the guy who I use to talk to in Corporate Air and PM you his details as they fly turbo props.
I myself is still working on PAL's requirements for a DEFO position.
Hope this helps and the other expats or anyone still in the land of the dead (Phils) can help. How about it guys ?...... lets help SBV's old man
Cheers
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SBV,
Last I heard, PAL is in constant need of narrow body jet pilots (A319 & A320). If your father doesnt mind going back, he can give it a try. He can also fly until age 65.
You can also try to contact pilots of Cojuanco, so far they give one of the best packages in GenAv.
All the best to you and your father
Last I heard, PAL is in constant need of narrow body jet pilots (A319 & A320). If your father doesnt mind going back, he can give it a try. He can also fly until age 65.
You can also try to contact pilots of Cojuanco, so far they give one of the best packages in GenAv.
All the best to you and your father
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SBV, the question is how desperate is he ? Please don't get me wrong but sometimes we have to come back to reality that aviation jobs especially in the Philippines can somewhat be elusive for a few years for others.
As you said, he needs something to do to feed his family. I would advise that while he is looking for a flying job why doesn't he take on other jobs for the meantime. I have seen airline pilots here who have lost their jobs in an airline strike take on menial jobs just to feed their families while waiting for the break. If he is doing this now, then it's just a matter of time but then again at age 60 it might take more than just a CV being submitted. You need connection from the inside and sad to say "grease" money.
I'll PM you a guy who owns an air charter company in the Philippines as i know he is looking for a CP and see if this will do for the meantime ( I know this as the job was offered to me initially). I'll also see if I still have the name of the guy who I use to talk to in Corporate Air and PM you his details as they fly turbo props.
I myself is still working on PAL's requirements for a DEFO position.
Hope this helps and the other expats or anyone still in the land of the dead (Phils) can help. How about it guys ?...... lets help SBV's old man
Cheers
D6
As you said, he needs something to do to feed his family. I would advise that while he is looking for a flying job why doesn't he take on other jobs for the meantime. I have seen airline pilots here who have lost their jobs in an airline strike take on menial jobs just to feed their families while waiting for the break. If he is doing this now, then it's just a matter of time but then again at age 60 it might take more than just a CV being submitted. You need connection from the inside and sad to say "grease" money.
I'll PM you a guy who owns an air charter company in the Philippines as i know he is looking for a CP and see if this will do for the meantime ( I know this as the job was offered to me initially). I'll also see if I still have the name of the guy who I use to talk to in Corporate Air and PM you his details as they fly turbo props.
I myself is still working on PAL's requirements for a DEFO position.
Hope this helps and the other expats or anyone still in the land of the dead (Phils) can help. How about it guys ?...... lets help SBV's old man
Cheers
D6
Hey D6, do you have that intel on the charter outfit that needs a CP? Please PM when able. Thank you!
Bansai, thank you for the intel - I believe he has touched bases with those outfits but ran into ex PALers that are not happy with him.
I appreciate any inputs and thanks guys.
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