SIA Cargo looking for pilots cmds & FOs
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Off and on SIA have had an advert in Flight International for Commanders since way back in the seventies.(More recently FO's too, but without the possibility of upgrade to Captain if they accept the Expat. FO contract).
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As of this moment, they are trying a "fastrack" program for those who are short of qualifications to make direct entry Capt. It's a three year program, RHS at contract terms, then an assessment, training and if you make it, LHS on local terms. That's about all I know but it's from a good source...LC
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left coaster, I was interviewed on August 2004, althought I'm rated on B744 and had 5000 hrs as F/O and 2000 hrs as Captain for B737, they accept me as F/O on B744 only and if you want to be upgrade you must accept local term, the worst is you ATPL from any country only accepted for The Singapore CPL/IR only, you have to make your Singapore ATPL by your own expense and time they not give you time to do the course nor the money, so if any of your had 5000 hrs in Command in narrow body and below 15 years of aged they can apply, that's way they never had enought Commander in the Cargo, pay is less and no up-grade
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Your choice...
Twoten,
Only passing on the info to those who might be interested...what one would do with an offer if they were to get one is completely up to them. I do know some who are looking in to the program. A question to ask might be: What if a candidate had the hours for a faster command and the CAAS (This is actually who approves the licence application..I am not sure if SQ has much to do with it) would issue an ATPL. What then? The way I understand it is the CAAS determines who can hold a Singapore ATPL, and as they make the rules, SQ has to play by them.
Only passing on the info to those who might be interested...what one would do with an offer if they were to get one is completely up to them. I do know some who are looking in to the program. A question to ask might be: What if a candidate had the hours for a faster command and the CAAS (This is actually who approves the licence application..I am not sure if SQ has much to do with it) would issue an ATPL. What then? The way I understand it is the CAAS determines who can hold a Singapore ATPL, and as they make the rules, SQ has to play by them.
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Originally Posted by speedtwoten
left coaster, I was interviewed on August 2004, althought I'm rated on B744 and had 5000 hrs as F/O and 2000 hrs as Captain for B737, they accept me as F/O on B744 only and if you want to be upgrade you must accept local term, the worst is you ATPL from any country only accepted for The Singapore CPL/IR only, you have to make your Singapore ATPL by your own expense and time they not give you time to do the course nor the money, so if any of your had 5000 hrs in Command in narrow body and below 15 years of aged they can apply, that's way they never had enought Commander in the Cargo, pay is less and no up-gradeSpeedwoten I'm not sure, but I don't think that's the situation any more. If you've been a Captain on a narrow body, you will get the Singapore ATPL. There is no need for you to sit the ATPL exams.
We have had some narrow body Captains come through as F/Os and they were given the ATPL. Perhaps it's a recent change, but I am positive the existing situation is not as you describe.
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It is correct that initially you will get a CAAS CPL "automatically" for your ATPL issued elsewhere, subject to passing Air Law etc.
Do not slam SIA or SIA Cargo for not giving you (paid) time off or money to do a full ATPL course. What airline will pay you for time off or reimburse you for such courses? It is also your responsibility to do the necessary research and check if you qualify for a faster way to the ATPL.
You may not know the following (not so well known) information because you either did not ask more questions or weren't interested in the job.
From your hours and ratings you are also eligible to sit for a CAAS Special Assessment Paper, comprising 50 questions in only ONE paper, and that will allow you to convert an FAA ATPL (if you have one) to a Singapore ATPL.
I do not know if an ATPL from elsewhere is recognised for such a conversion.
Not everyone in SIA who interviews you will know of this "secret". It is also not their job scope to know all the little tricks of the (licensing) trade.
So here we go.
It has been done before, this conversion of an FAA ATPL to a Singapore ATPL by way of a Special Assessment Paper, comprising 50 questions in ONE paper.
In fact such a conversion by CAAS of an FAA ATPL to a Singapore ATPL in 1995 (eleven years ago) is recorded (forever) in this accident report:
http://www.aviationnow.com/media/pdf/ntsbmi185.pdf
see Page 17 of 49.
The fees for this examination is also spelt out in Paragraph 12j the Singapore Air Navigation Order:
http://appserver2.caas.gov.sg/CAASAp...TION_ORDER.htm
So, it means that this conversion can be done, subject to meeting other conditions.
The bottom line is, if your prospective employer makes out a case that they WANT to employ you as a captain, and you have the necessary hours and type experience, then CAAS will normally facilitate the conversion of a foreign ATPL via a faster method (compared to going to school or self studying, and doing the full ATPL exam).
Of course if you fail the CAAS Special Assessment Paper, then just too bad. No ATPL for you.
It is correct that initially you will get a CAAS CPL "automatically" for your ATPL issued elsewhere, subject to passing Air Law etc.
Do not slam SIA or SIA Cargo for not giving you (paid) time off or money to do a full ATPL course. What airline will pay you for time off or reimburse you for such courses? It is also your responsibility to do the necessary research and check if you qualify for a faster way to the ATPL.
You may not know the following (not so well known) information because you either did not ask more questions or weren't interested in the job.
From your hours and ratings you are also eligible to sit for a CAAS Special Assessment Paper, comprising 50 questions in only ONE paper, and that will allow you to convert an FAA ATPL (if you have one) to a Singapore ATPL.
I do not know if an ATPL from elsewhere is recognised for such a conversion.
Not everyone in SIA who interviews you will know of this "secret". It is also not their job scope to know all the little tricks of the (licensing) trade.
So here we go.
It has been done before, this conversion of an FAA ATPL to a Singapore ATPL by way of a Special Assessment Paper, comprising 50 questions in ONE paper.
In fact such a conversion by CAAS of an FAA ATPL to a Singapore ATPL in 1995 (eleven years ago) is recorded (forever) in this accident report:
http://www.aviationnow.com/media/pdf/ntsbmi185.pdf
see Page 17 of 49.
The fees for this examination is also spelt out in Paragraph 12j the Singapore Air Navigation Order:
http://appserver2.caas.gov.sg/CAASAp...TION_ORDER.htm
So, it means that this conversion can be done, subject to meeting other conditions.
The bottom line is, if your prospective employer makes out a case that they WANT to employ you as a captain, and you have the necessary hours and type experience, then CAAS will normally facilitate the conversion of a foreign ATPL via a faster method (compared to going to school or self studying, and doing the full ATPL exam).
Of course if you fail the CAAS Special Assessment Paper, then just too bad. No ATPL for you.
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phil sq and left coast, my post was based when I was interviewed on August 2005, I forgot the name but he was the chief instructor on Sin Cargo he advised me to for Silk Air or other airline since I got my command on narrow body only and f/o hours in wide body B744, then be accepted only as f/o with CPL/IR, they are 2 guy's with the same experience as me, one had JAA ATPL and the other FAA ATP and only accepted for CAAS CPL/IR
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As it was stated before,by several posters, it's not SQ that is responsible for the licence conversion, it's the CAAS. SQ submits your enquiry, (via your application, you filled it out yourself) to the CAAS and if the answer back is in the affirmative, they will go ahead with your processes. If the CAAS determines your licence can only be converted to a CPL, that's the end of it. The advice you were given sounds sage, think it over, it's not the airlines fault, and this Capt was trying to actually help you.
Gong Hei Fat Choi!
As it was stated before,by several posters, it's not SQ that is responsible for the licence conversion, it's the CAAS. SQ submits your enquiry, (via your application, you filled it out yourself) to the CAAS and if the answer back is in the affirmative, they will go ahead with your processes. If the CAAS determines your licence can only be converted to a CPL, that's the end of it. The advice you were given sounds sage, think it over, it's not the airlines fault, and this Capt was trying to actually help you.
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You get your Sing' ATPL in any case if you have 1500 hrs command hours on an aircraft which operates 2 pilots. Even if you are hired as an FO.
Whether SIA/cargo accepts you as Capt is another story and depends on demand. I know of some Skippers who had narrow body experience only.
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Whether SIA/cargo accepts you as Capt is another story and depends on demand. I know of some Skippers who had narrow body experience only.
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DANI & LEFT COASTER, thank's for gong hei fat choi, for you too, I'm not blamming anybody, as you know I'm shearing the information as why SinCargo doesn't stop advertising looking for pilot's, but it state clearly the two guy's who's interviewed my in Training Centre state that, they can accept in that condition only they not said anything about CAAS requirement, what they told my are SinGargo requirement, that I can be upgrade in local term as Commander after 2 yrs flying with them but started with CAAS CPL/IR, because I will be seating on RH seat, then to get my CAAS ATPL within 2 yrs time, 
even by the time I was interviewed sometimes in the middle of August 2005 I forgot the date, I had 1500 hrs in Command B737 Clasic and more than 5000 hrs F/O on B744) and again I'm not blamming anybody, it is might be one of their way (SinCargo) to reject you, or just to continue advertise to be always informed how many pilot's are still interested to joint them
even by the time I was interviewed sometimes in the middle of August 2005 I forgot the date, I had 1500 hrs in Command B737 Clasic and more than 5000 hrs F/O on B744) and again I'm not blamming anybody, it is might be one of their way (SinCargo) to reject you, or just to continue advertise to be always informed how many pilot's are still interested to joint them
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Speedwoten - From my experience SIA won't take anybody in as a DEC on the B744 unless they have, at least, their minimum requirements for a wide-body command, so that would include 3000 hours wide body command on international routes, glass cockpit preferred. As far as SIA are concerned F/O time on wide-body heavy jets doesn't count towards the DEC requirements.
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BE I fully agree with you, but in this thread we are mainly discuss about the licenses, as I said before they will put me in Command training begin as F/O for initial approximately 2 yrs in local term, (I did not said about DEC) the problem are they SinCargo (as the interviwer did not mention CAAS) only can accept my license the ATPL for CAAS CPL/IR , which is you as an experience pilot's I believe knew that lisence is only the way you will be a pilots, but to be a good professional pilot is depend on you self to improved everything's for yourself
you can't judge anybody just after seeing his license or his face and in this thread you know that there is narrow body Commander was trained to be wide body Commander in SQ, (read what Dani and Thermal Image posted) like I said SinCargo & SQ like to play games like this just to see that they are still be needed by most pilot's in this world, so they still in control to accept anybody, I'm only rejected in their version
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The CAAS can accept, or not, all and any licences from all over the world, they can also accept these same licences but reserve the right to impose certain limitations if they consider the experience or academic aspects of their own licence are not equalled or exceeded by the foreign licence they are being asked to consider, (yours).
As I understand it you have command time on a B737 and F/O time on a B747? Your total hours do fall in the required total minimum for SIA but you do not have the required breakdown of heavy jet/wide body command time. No one is playing games with you, either you meet the employers requirements, (SIA's), or you don't and they wont be bending their rules for you as your experience doesn't even come close to their minimum requirements.
As I understand it you have command time on a B737 and F/O time on a B747? Your total hours do fall in the required total minimum for SIA but you do not have the required breakdown of heavy jet/wide body command time. No one is playing games with you, either you meet the employers requirements, (SIA's), or you don't and they wont be bending their rules for you as your experience doesn't even come close to their minimum requirements.
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Originally Posted by BlueEagle
Speedwoten - From my experience SIA won't take anybody in as a DEC on the B744 unless they have, at least, their minimum requirements for a wide-body command, so that would include 3000 hours wide body command on international routes, glass cockpit preferred. As far as SIA are concerned F/O time on wide-body heavy jets doesn't count towards the DEC requirements.
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Thanks Phil, obviously I am not up to date!
Speedwoten, suggest you keep trying, CAAS will accept some licences from overseas whilst refusing to accept others, it will depend on whether or not they have any confidence in the issuing authority and the required training and exams for that authorities licences.
Speedwoten, suggest you keep trying, CAAS will accept some licences from overseas whilst refusing to accept others, it will depend on whether or not they have any confidence in the issuing authority and the required training and exams for that authorities licences.
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BE thank's, I like Singapore but I got another company and country that respect license, respect my as pilot even not in B744 but at least they saw how do I perform with them
