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Old 29th Nov 2005, 11:23
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Hey Chev29
I am not sure if I get the Gist of your last post to 340jock.
Can you please be clearer
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Old 29th Nov 2005, 11:32
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BusTie said
If you are not rated and current on transport cat. Jet than you have to put 20,000 USD down and there is no way around it.
Wellllllll thats true unless you apply and GET A JOB AT A REAL TRUCKING COMPANY

Did you know places like CX KA NCA etc. actually pay you to get a rating with no bond because they know you won't buggar off the day after youre typed?

Or maybe youre so infatuated with CAL, that youre not interested in working for a real mob....yeah, thats it, thats the ticket....it wouldnt be for a lack of anything else...maybe? hmmmmm.
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Old 29th Nov 2005, 19:46
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29 chevy.....

for a guy that has a "29chevy" for his name you sure talk too much, and trying to evaluate jobs in Aviation. From your post is so clear that you are a typical north American with union written all over you. look up the word pro-phe-shinalizim (I wrote the way you would understand)

for the rest of you guys that wanting a proper answer:

Blue-Footed Boobie

as long as you have some transport cat. jet type or time you DO NOT have put 20K. that simple. and no you do not need to have the same type as they fly.

swamp monkey

I had an e-mail from HR just a week after submitting my application on line, and within 4 weeks I was in TPE.
They pay for you travel and hotel. (no meal)

There is no point in joining CAL with the intention of jumping ship since a new type rating with CAL is not recognized with any ICAO couturies.

but you can always take your experience and time on type and go to Emirates, Etihad,....etc.

the pay;

every Dec you get another month's salary.
one overtime flight lets say TPE-LAX-TPE gives you about 28 hours block time which comes down to $1,500 USD. that you can add to your salary for that month. and as long as you are willing to fly more, all you have to do is let them know and you get it.

the contract is for 4,660 (70 hours) divide that and you get about $67/hr now times that into (the 28 hours LA trip) you get $1864 less than 20% for tax leaves you $1,500 USD.

These are the facts for those of you that willing to read other pilots "professional" comments and plan your life accordingly.

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Old 29th Nov 2005, 20:56
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Excuse me BusTie,did You mention this word;"professional" here in the CAL topic?

When a local captain considers that BKN 010 is measured from the sea level so it is a CAT III as the APT elevation is above 1200 feet?

Good news,the competitor airlines -EVA- also departs from the taxiway in Anchorage.Ehhh,I know the basic rule,upgrade locals first,no matter how incompetent they are!

My last week experience.
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Old 29th Nov 2005, 23:10
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Bustie

I am all to familiar with 29chev's situation....see I was also a guy who showed up with two buckets.....the one with the money in it never made it past half full....the one with the BS was overflowing by the time I got online. I have stated on here many times that I enjoyed flying with the guys n gals on the -400 at CAL. But the fact the most if not all of the crew there are either at CAL because they HAVE to be or because they are a local and are not applicable to be hired at a REAL airline. I make more money now training then ANY first officer at CAL and a few of the Captains. Doing the same job! When I am off my training pay I will make more than EVERY CAL local captain......I mention this only because so many of us put a price on this job. For me personally it is about enjoying my work, trusting my colleagues and time off! CAL offers you NONE of the above....! The last straw for me was sim 05-01 and I watched the IP crash the simulator 3 times............once on a simple V1 cut which should have been a reject and he continued....the other 2 crashes were on 2 engine inop on short final...I made my mind up that sim that it was over and immediately submitted my resignation as my life is far more important.....!


29Chev was my roommate in Taipei and I can tell you he gave CAL the benefit of almost every situation they put him in! I used to tease him that he would retire in Taipei because he generally was consummate professional and generally really seemed to enjoy the job! But it has been a year for him now and as I know he is leaving I shake my head as CAL just does not want to address the issues in their airline. The sooner CAL gets rid of ALL the expats the better...........because this industry has been through enough over the last 5 years and the days of WHORING ourselves to places like CAL have to stop. That way when hull's are being scrapped off runways around the world AGAIN then maybe someone will be serious about fixing the entity that is Taiwan Aviation


Now to address your post:

You wrote:

"Blue-Footed Boobie

as long as you have some transport cat. jet type or time you DO NOT have put 20K. that simple. and no you do not need to have the same type as they fly."

That is a flat out lie as one of my university collegues was just offered the job subject to the 20K bond....he delined after I explained everything to him!

"swamp monkey

I had an e-mail from HR just a week after submitting my application on line, and within 4 weeks I was in TPE.
They pay for you travel and hotel. (no meal) "

If the email only took a week chances are you are one of the only persons desperate enough or inexperienced enough to consider it! Every job interview I have gone to paid me perdiums and ALL my costs...........nuff said!

There is no point in joining CAL with the intention of jumping ship since a new type rating with CAL is not recognized with any ICAO couturies.

This is bullsh*t!!! Go Get the rating and leave...take they type rating and your logbook goto your home country and they should with all of your records and XXX amount of hours on type will put it on your license. Canada the magic number is 75 hours I believe.

"but you can always take your experience and time on type and go to Emirates, Etihad,....etc." yup you can and then you are in the two bucket scenerio again..............good luck!



the pay;

every Dec you get another month's salary.
one overtime flight lets say TPE-LAX-TPE gives you about 28 hours block time which comes down to $1,500 USD. that you can add to your salary for that month. and as long as you are willing to fly more, all you have to do is let them know and you get it.

the contract is for 4,660 (70 hours) divide that and you get about $67/hr now times that into (the 28 hours LA trip) you get $1864 less than 20% for tax leaves you $1,500 USD.

These are the facts for those of you that willing to read other pilots "professional" comments and plan your life accordingly.


You sure can.....in fact they will let you fly yourself right into a 300,000 NTD (can't remember the exact fine) and the pay for over time you calculated wrong......so I think you should reread the contrat and come up with the really pay............I was one of the higest paid FO's on the -400 and I was 78 an hour.........I know most were NO WHERE near your quote for overtime.......just as a side not I am at 145/hr now...........so you do the math..........!

Bustie, I feel sorry for ya brutha as you really have NO idea of what a sad place CAL is..... I wish you all the luck and empower you to get out of CAL before the next hull loss! Rather than spending your time on here slinging mud, If I was you I would work on getting an ATPL in a country where you will be paid what you are worth.....not what you will whore yourself for...........

PEACE
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Old 30th Nov 2005, 04:02
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Thanks pitotman

Bustie
you said
you are a typical north American with union written all over you.
You notice I didn't suggest you apply to a company with a union (well I guess CX does but you don't have to join)...only world class operations that hire you with the mind set of "If we treat them well most won't leave" thus making them better choices for places of employment.

My point? CAL is one of the worst places I have ever worked....but it could be great, nothing stops it from being as good an operation as CX....except the attitude and culture, but they have zero interest in changing and fixing those very large problems....so in the interest of giving advice to those who wish to listen I tell it like it is....

On another point I notice an earlier post of mine was removed, as it was placed there after a few too many pints I feel I need to say to A340Jock.... my words were a bit harsh and if you are indeed a high time 330/340 Capt I give you the benefit of the doubt that you have little or no knowledge of CAL and are asking about a position there in all sincerity ...but if you have the experience level you claim to have you can easily get a job elsewhere at a much better company so don't waste your time.
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Old 30th Nov 2005, 06:08
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To A340Jock

Seeing the number of hours I am flying, I don't think they need any 340 skipper.

So what is CAL scheduling is you don't need expat crew flying?

After Home leave put one reserve duty in TPE followed by two days off, then another reserve duty followed by another two days off !!

So please leave your family, do come in TPE to do nothing for SIX days! No, you understand we are absolubtly unable to give you more days off at home......

I confess, it is exceptionnal, it is only the third month in a row, they try to do it.

I agree with 29chev, what probably p**ed off the expat the most, is that CAL has everything in hands to be one of the greatest airline in the world, they just don't want it!!

So for the umth time,
- Go only to CAL as captain wide-body and if you really need the job, period.

I don't want to work in the Middle-east so I am still here but I'll be out VERY soon.
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Old 30th Nov 2005, 08:46
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You know, if they gave us more days home leave instead of RD's we wouldnt have time to write this stuff.
Hey hang on, why am I even writing this, I should be applying for another job.
Bye......
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Old 30th Nov 2005, 09:09
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If they change their system and cancel the "double standard",80% of the locals could go for another job.

Anyhow,do You have any info if CAL revise the Marketing and Housing Allowance in December?
Or shall I start the next year in Beijing?
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Old 30th Nov 2005, 09:18
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I heard a rumour about a "revision", but I get so many of the damn things in my dropfile that I ignored it. So how much are they increasing it by then?
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Old 30th Nov 2005, 11:26
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Hey Pitotman, this is a bit off topic... did you do a Penang trip on your last flight in CAL?
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Old 1st Dec 2005, 13:47
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Hey hang on, why am I even writing this, I should be applying for another job.
Thanks, for tabbed browser, one tab on pprune, one tab on Park, one tab on ....

Or shall I start the next year in Beijing?
if you are greedy and only looking for the money, sure cross the China Sea.
Now, if you are looking for the day off, a nice management, professionnal IP,etc .... you're better stay in Taipei
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Old 1st Dec 2005, 19:22
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If the so called "professionalism"-copyright by Bus Tie- is like here for 7000 USD/month(tax free)+housing+8 consecutive days OFF +4 days OFF in PEK why not????

Survive 2 or 3 years and go back to an real airline,even it is a low-cost in my Home country.

Not to mention the cost of life in PEK which must be lower than Taiwan-housing,beer,girls?

The ball is at the management of CAL and I guess,I not going to be the only one.Of course I know,market forces and things like this,they will fill up the empty seats with pilots from Indonesia,Philippines for USD 3000 somehundred.
Same story everywhere.

By the way,how many Swiss furloughed guys signed so far?Or how many will?Its better for them if they go to fly a low-cost in Europe for this money or higher!

Still waiting for the notice "Marketing Allowance and Housing Allowance will be reviewed and adjusted by the Company in December of each calendar year"! .....or not waiting...........

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Old 2nd Dec 2005, 05:30
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Still waiting for the notice "Marketing Allowance and Housing Allowance will be reviewed and adjusted by the Company in December of each calendar year"!
Didn't happen last year I'm sure it won't this year either (unless its down)
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Old 2nd Dec 2005, 10:59
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29,

dude, did u have 2 have it on the 8th?

made a mistake when carrot-top, you and i went out last tues., we'll all be in town this monday, let's hook-up then, bring ur roomies.

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Old 2nd Dec 2005, 11:40
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FIRST OFFICER:
1. At least 1,500 total flight hours
2. Hold valid ATPL
3. Age under 45
4. With Current Type Rating is a plus
5. Jet experience is preferable
6. Practical flight hours must be within 12 months
NOTE:


Have they been hiring FO'swith these kinds of hours?
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Old 3rd Dec 2005, 08:43
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500 Short

Not really my party just spreading the word for someone else...
call ya Monday
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Old 3rd Dec 2005, 22:05
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Gengis

gengis,




You wrote "Hey Pitotman, this is a bit off topic... did you do a Penang trip on your last flight in CAL?"


My answer: CORRECT!

Thanks again for the last sector bro......made my trip! If every pairing could have been like that I may have stayed at CAL......but then again only for another 4K usd amonth more that I am making now! Atleast now I know where I am in the upgrade process......! HAHA

Anyword on your immigration? Let me know if you need anything! I am off now for 4 months while I wait for my training course and just hanging around the loveliest city in da world....call me if ya get an overnight and I will come out for dinner to the old ditchmond hilton......


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Old 6th Dec 2005, 11:53
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Smile CAL Interview

Recently completed an interview for an FO position with CAL in Nov.

Found the process to be straight forward with no surprises, everything was well explained and the people were friendly and helpful.

Tech quiz- multi choice
Interview- 4 friendly Captains who conduct a "casual" chat
Sim- as described in the brief supplied when invited for interview
Med- full on over 2 days

My advice to those interested, if you're keen give it your best shot.

Looking forward to receiving advice on the success of my interview!

Cheers.
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Old 6th Dec 2005, 12:51
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Hey Pitotman, glad to hear all's well. Check your pm.
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