From Mh Captains To Ek First Officers
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From Mh Captains To Ek First Officers
HELP ME OUT HERE GUYS, I'M STILL TRYING MY VERY BEST TO CHEW THE FACT THAT MORE AND MORE MH CAPPIES (ON THE 737 FLEET, AND SOME FROM A330 & B777) ARE WILLING TO LET GO THEIR "FOUR BAR" STATUS TO THREE IN THEIR QUEST TO GAIN MORE DOUGH OR GETTING RID OF SOME PERSONAL DISAPPOINTMENT AND WORK WITH EK. PERSONALLY, WOULD YOU DO IT AND WHY? AS FOR ME, MORE DOUGH/MONEY - YES BUT WILL THAT REALLY JUSTIFY THE LIFE THAT I WILL LEAVE....? JOB SECURITY, PROMOTIONS, YOUR LOVE ONES, ETC....
LETS BE OPEN ABOUT THIS AND NOT BE TOO SENSITIVE, GUYS!
LETS BE OPEN ABOUT THIS AND NOT BE TOO SENSITIVE, GUYS!
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geo,
Its not just the dough and being a cappie in mh already theres not much dissappointment but for one to leave while giving up all the things you have mentioned and maybe more...it says a lot about how MH is run!
Its not just the dough and being a cappie in mh already theres not much dissappointment but for one to leave while giving up all the things you have mentioned and maybe more...it says a lot about how MH is run!
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All I can say..........the mismanagers of MAS have their heads stuck in god knows what 
We all left our homes & some, our four bars.But yes, none looked back, why?Well lot of reasons actually.Mostly the mismanagers of Flight Ops like to blame everybody but themselves for their incompetencies.
Oh where, oh where shall I begin?Let's see, loss of perks & non recognition of working terms & conditions.No leave available, or forced leave (take your pick).Non FTL compliant rosters.Medical perks curbed for self & family too!Etc,etc etc...the list goes on & on.Oh yeah, at the bottom of this pile is the pay.
At market rates now, they get more pay for less responsibility.A no brainer really.
'Nuff said
We all left our homes & some, our four bars.But yes, none looked back, why?Well lot of reasons actually.Mostly the mismanagers of Flight Ops like to blame everybody but themselves for their incompetencies.
Oh where, oh where shall I begin?Let's see, loss of perks & non recognition of working terms & conditions.No leave available, or forced leave (take your pick).Non FTL compliant rosters.Medical perks curbed for self & family too!Etc,etc etc...the list goes on & on.Oh yeah, at the bottom of this pile is the pay.
At market rates now, they get more pay for less responsibility.A no brainer really.
'Nuff said
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The question is "berbaloi-ke"? That you have to ask yourself.
Basically all of them have taken a step backwards in anticipation of future gain. The payscales that existed in EK vs MH then were so far apart. It is getting closer. Whether it pays off in the end is the big question.
Impending 25/70 pay deal in MAS (it could probably have been only 10% if many did not leave for EY/EK/CI/QR).
Ringgit de-peg (it was foreseen I suppose).
Rising cost of living in Dubai(hopefully does not rise faster than the potential financial gain).
Improved IP/AE training allowances - pay per day of LT and productivity in the Sim (not sure that 7 out of 8 of the leavers were IP/AE had anything to do with this proposed scheme).
Perceived reduction of terms and conditions (depends where you come from).
Time to Command potentially lengthened with DECs and further down the line you join.
For some the decision was easy and for some a difficult decision to make.
Is the family happy? Is it worth it in the end? You have to ask them.
Who knows? Ask us in 20 years.....
Arabian adventure
or misadventure
Basically all of them have taken a step backwards in anticipation of future gain. The payscales that existed in EK vs MH then were so far apart. It is getting closer. Whether it pays off in the end is the big question.
Impending 25/70 pay deal in MAS (it could probably have been only 10% if many did not leave for EY/EK/CI/QR).
Ringgit de-peg (it was foreseen I suppose).
Rising cost of living in Dubai(hopefully does not rise faster than the potential financial gain).
Improved IP/AE training allowances - pay per day of LT and productivity in the Sim (not sure that 7 out of 8 of the leavers were IP/AE had anything to do with this proposed scheme).
Perceived reduction of terms and conditions (depends where you come from).
Time to Command potentially lengthened with DECs and further down the line you join.
For some the decision was easy and for some a difficult decision to make.
Is the family happy? Is it worth it in the end? You have to ask them.
Who knows? Ask us in 20 years.....
Arabian adventure
or misadventure
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Giving up 4 Bars
Hi Geo7E7,
With current state of affairs in MAS flt ops, I am not suprised that many people are willing to let go of their command to get into airlines like Emirates and Qatar as FOs even. However, they are not the only ones. In CAL, many were former captains at Ansett, Canadian, Air Berlin, Venezuelan, Varig and Air Asia to name a few. These gentlemen gave up their command to get experience on widebody, especially B744s and also for better pay, even though they came in for FO positions. There is a possibility that they might get right to left, thus 1 step back to gain many in the future. They all had their reasons and many have not regretted the move at all.
No doubt that there is going to be a pay review for MAS pilots and the repegging thus resulting in the difference getting smaller, I think some people will still leave MAS. Push or pull factor I guess, at the time they made the decision, I think it was the push factor more than anything else. Many feel betrayed by flt ops management that seems to take only and has never given. These takers are pilots and some even served MAPA. Pilots screwing pilots, with toad doing the best to do in the pilots to make himself look good. What happen to "I'll look after the pilot's interest from the inside".
Airlines in the gulf are expanding like crazy, it's a matter of time before these brave folks will get back their command. In my opinion the sacrifice is well worth it.
Those that left MAS has not looked back at all. Those in the gulf are living in posh apartments, driving luxurious cars while those in the far east are buying property and saving pots of dough. Some a holding management positions, whilst some are trainers and checkers.
Their only sadness is that they miss their fellow pilots, beloved cabin crew and Malaysia. But what the heck, they are working for airlines that pay better, has better roster, operate safely and above all legally and generally treat them better than when they were in MAS.
I dont think 25/70 would be a reality, if not for the "heroes" that gave management the signal that we're amongst the lowest paid pilots in the region. Now we have to employ foreigners (on our premier fleet even). Now I'd like to see how they manage mercenaries, rather than dedicated locals who love MAS but was frustrated at the way flt ops was runned.
With current state of affairs in MAS flt ops, I am not suprised that many people are willing to let go of their command to get into airlines like Emirates and Qatar as FOs even. However, they are not the only ones. In CAL, many were former captains at Ansett, Canadian, Air Berlin, Venezuelan, Varig and Air Asia to name a few. These gentlemen gave up their command to get experience on widebody, especially B744s and also for better pay, even though they came in for FO positions. There is a possibility that they might get right to left, thus 1 step back to gain many in the future. They all had their reasons and many have not regretted the move at all.
No doubt that there is going to be a pay review for MAS pilots and the repegging thus resulting in the difference getting smaller, I think some people will still leave MAS. Push or pull factor I guess, at the time they made the decision, I think it was the push factor more than anything else. Many feel betrayed by flt ops management that seems to take only and has never given. These takers are pilots and some even served MAPA. Pilots screwing pilots, with toad doing the best to do in the pilots to make himself look good. What happen to "I'll look after the pilot's interest from the inside".
Airlines in the gulf are expanding like crazy, it's a matter of time before these brave folks will get back their command. In my opinion the sacrifice is well worth it.
Those that left MAS has not looked back at all. Those in the gulf are living in posh apartments, driving luxurious cars while those in the far east are buying property and saving pots of dough. Some a holding management positions, whilst some are trainers and checkers.
Their only sadness is that they miss their fellow pilots, beloved cabin crew and Malaysia. But what the heck, they are working for airlines that pay better, has better roster, operate safely and above all legally and generally treat them better than when they were in MAS.
I dont think 25/70 would be a reality, if not for the "heroes" that gave management the signal that we're amongst the lowest paid pilots in the region. Now we have to employ foreigners (on our premier fleet even). Now I'd like to see how they manage mercenaries, rather than dedicated locals who love MAS but was frustrated at the way flt ops was runned.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Now I'd like to see how they manage mercenaries, rather than dedicated locals who love MAS but was frustrated at the way flt ops was runned.
I'm confused - or is it you who is?What do you classify the MAS pilots who have left as, "mercenaries"?? "Those that left MAS has not looked back at all. Those in the gulf are living in posh apartments, driving luxurious cars while those in the far east are buying property and saving pots of dough....they are working for airlines that pay better......or "gentlemen???
So foreigners, "(on our premier fleet even)" - are mercenaries.
But your MAS buddies who left, to join other airlines for "posh apartments, driving luxurious cars.....buying property and saving pots of dough....they are working for airlines that pay better" are classified by you, as what?
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Non have looked back and non will ever will.
We should rejoice and be thank full that these people made the move and forced MAS to give 25/60
Thank you ALL EK pilots..ex MAS
We should rejoice and be thank full that these people made the move and forced MAS to give 25/60
Thank you ALL EK pilots..ex MAS
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I'm sure it was more a "slip of the tongue" kinda thing with the "mercenaries" .I am one of those still thinking about leaving too. Its plain frustration for me.
I must say that I wouldnt be planning on leaving if the money was less @ gulfside. However if it meant that I could get a little better money by leaving.....I would go. The hard part is the extended family.
One thing that would change my mind is if within the next few months,SOMEBODY (PLEASE), like the PM or EX PM does something to just right the wrongs in management. They need to actually sack a lot of people to get this place rocking again.
We are paid just too little for too long. Sure.....when we get the 25/60 or 25/70 the gap gets smaller. But there are just so many things wrong here with so many things right everywhere else that its a matter of simple logic.
Those of you who are not with MH: The guys who have left are mostly the brightest pilots in mas. A smaller group left for Korea a few years back. Look at the guys who left . Some of them would be getting their 330/777 command in a few months, but they would rather leave.
You bet it says something about the management in mas, and its not all about flt ops. In fact its (excluding the chairman, cause he is new) from all the way up!
I salute you guys who have left, whether it was to the RHS of EK or tho the LHS at other airlines. Its just so sad that of all people in the company......the best have to leave for the rest to see some improvement.
I am sure some of you management pilots are here reading this. Where is your honour! Do something from the inside for once! For once dont think about how your seat would be vacated by your right actions. You know something !( future sgm's). Most of you were very respected by the rest of us until you got into management. Then you transformed ! *Sigh*
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Kaptin M, CDRW,
Didnt mean to upset you or for that matter anybody. Just that the post was posted after a long flight and the choice of words was not optimal I guess. Maybe the word that I was looking for was ...expatriate, iso mercenaries.
I consider those who left MH as heroes.
For expats joining our premier fleet, welcome. It may appear that I am sore at you, but I am not. I am very sore at management that allowed this to happen.
Anyway, for the expats joining MH, you'll find that it's a very nice airline to work for. Later as you get familiar with flt ops division, you'll find out why many locals left. See what that guy who was supposed to have worked for the pilots from the inside will do for you.
Cheers!
Didnt mean to upset you or for that matter anybody. Just that the post was posted after a long flight and the choice of words was not optimal I guess. Maybe the word that I was looking for was ...expatriate, iso mercenaries.
I consider those who left MH as heroes.
For expats joining our premier fleet, welcome. It may appear that I am sore at you, but I am not. I am very sore at management that allowed this to happen.
Anyway, for the expats joining MH, you'll find that it's a very nice airline to work for. Later as you get familiar with flt ops division, you'll find out why many locals left. See what that guy who was supposed to have worked for the pilots from the inside will do for you.
Cheers!
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Reflecting on your post, Shintaro, it DOES say something about today's airline managers.
They treat staff like sh!t (in the majority of cases), but expect loyalty in return.
Pilots are fortunate, inasmuch as there is a BIG pilot shortage looming, and now starting to make its presence felt.
Pilots are sick of the shabby treatment we have received, and are therefore looking at $$$'s and favourable contractual conditions - something that wasn't so important to us before, when we were treated as human beings.
This generation of airline managers must rate as probably THE most expensive, in terms of what they are - and will - cost the companies.
In a way, they've done us a favour by treating us like dirt, and thereby pushing salaries markedly upward!
They treat staff like sh!t (in the majority of cases), but expect loyalty in return.
Pilots are fortunate, inasmuch as there is a BIG pilot shortage looming, and now starting to make its presence felt.
Pilots are sick of the shabby treatment we have received, and are therefore looking at $$$'s and favourable contractual conditions - something that wasn't so important to us before, when we were treated as human beings.
This generation of airline managers must rate as probably THE most expensive, in terms of what they are - and will - cost the companies.
In a way, they've done us a favour by treating us like dirt, and thereby pushing salaries markedly upward!
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Umm........planet Earth.
Initially it will be - in fact it NOW IS - (a shortage of) experienced pilots.
This is already filtering through to "less experienced", which will eventually - very soon - flow through to ANY qualified commercial pilots.
Initially it will be - in fact it NOW IS - (a shortage of) experienced pilots.
This is already filtering through to "less experienced", which will eventually - very soon - flow through to ANY qualified commercial pilots.
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The shortage looks real:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/ar...721972,00.html
China and India lure pilots from West to plug gaps
By Angela Jameson, Industrial Correspondent
CHINESE airlines are rushing to recruit qualified European pilots to counter a potential shortfall of 8,000 pilots over the next ten years.
The challenge to European airlines is also coming from India as it scrambles to lure captains from the West.
China’s booming commercial aviation industry is taking off more rapidly than the country can train pilots, and so airlines are being allowed to recruit foreigners for the first time. At least 100 European pilots have been hired by Hainan Airlines, Shenzhen Airlines, Sichuan Airlines and Okay Airways, China’s first private operator, this year. More are expected.
Air travel in China has grown rapidly in the past ten years and the expansion is set to soar. Forecasters expect China, in the next two decades, to become the world’s second-largest aviation market after the US. Last year China’s major airlines carried 120 million passengers, a 38 per cent rise on 2003. About 145 new aircraft will be delivered this year and China confirmed a $6 billion (£3.3 billion) contract for 50 new Boeing 787 Dreamliners in June at the Paris air show.
Boeing estimates that China will need more than 2,400 new passenger and freight aircraft costing almost $200 billion over the next two decades.
It will need 55,000 pilots to fly them in the next 20 years and is investing heavily in training schools. However, qualified captains are needed in the short term. Many Europeans have considered working in China, but are put off by the poor pay and conditions.
China pays pilots $2,466 to $6,000 a month, against $8,000 in India and between $8,000 and $18,000 in the UK.
Frances Cooremans, managing director of Contractair, a UK-based supplier of flight crews that has sent captains to China, said: “The pilot shortage in China is drastic. However, there is a shortage of suitably qualified crews worldwide. To entice experienced crews they are going to have to compete with the booming Indian market, which is willing to offer good terms and conditions. Until China simplifies its entry requirements and looks to compete with financial packages on offer as in India, it will be hard to find crews willing to go.”
Bureaucracy hinders recruitment of foreign pilots, who still have to gain Chinese licences. There is also concern that accommodation and benefits, such as flights home, are not sufficient to lure Western pilots. Most of the foreigners flying in China have been recruited from South America and Eastern Europe.
India has also been forced to hire foreign pilots. Air India is understood to have grounded aircraft because of a shortage of pilots. Experts expect India to need up to 4,000 more pilots over the next five years and that training them will cost about $200 million.
Andrew Middleton, head of airline recruitment at Wynnwith Engineering, said: “Recruiting qualified captains is a problem for all major airlines at a time when soaring fuel prices are cutting into their profits.”
BEIJING REFORMS AIRLINE RULES
China pays pilots $2,466 to $6,000 a month, against $8,000 in India and between $8,000 and $18,000 in the UK.
China will start to deregulate civil aviation on August 15, government sources indicate. Domestic private investors will be able to invest in six local airlines but not the three largest airlines, Air China, China Eastern Airlines and China Southern Airlines.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/ar...721972,00.html
China and India lure pilots from West to plug gaps
By Angela Jameson, Industrial Correspondent
CHINESE airlines are rushing to recruit qualified European pilots to counter a potential shortfall of 8,000 pilots over the next ten years.
The challenge to European airlines is also coming from India as it scrambles to lure captains from the West.
China’s booming commercial aviation industry is taking off more rapidly than the country can train pilots, and so airlines are being allowed to recruit foreigners for the first time. At least 100 European pilots have been hired by Hainan Airlines, Shenzhen Airlines, Sichuan Airlines and Okay Airways, China’s first private operator, this year. More are expected.
Air travel in China has grown rapidly in the past ten years and the expansion is set to soar. Forecasters expect China, in the next two decades, to become the world’s second-largest aviation market after the US. Last year China’s major airlines carried 120 million passengers, a 38 per cent rise on 2003. About 145 new aircraft will be delivered this year and China confirmed a $6 billion (£3.3 billion) contract for 50 new Boeing 787 Dreamliners in June at the Paris air show.
Boeing estimates that China will need more than 2,400 new passenger and freight aircraft costing almost $200 billion over the next two decades.
It will need 55,000 pilots to fly them in the next 20 years and is investing heavily in training schools. However, qualified captains are needed in the short term. Many Europeans have considered working in China, but are put off by the poor pay and conditions.
China pays pilots $2,466 to $6,000 a month, against $8,000 in India and between $8,000 and $18,000 in the UK.
Frances Cooremans, managing director of Contractair, a UK-based supplier of flight crews that has sent captains to China, said: “The pilot shortage in China is drastic. However, there is a shortage of suitably qualified crews worldwide. To entice experienced crews they are going to have to compete with the booming Indian market, which is willing to offer good terms and conditions. Until China simplifies its entry requirements and looks to compete with financial packages on offer as in India, it will be hard to find crews willing to go.”
Bureaucracy hinders recruitment of foreign pilots, who still have to gain Chinese licences. There is also concern that accommodation and benefits, such as flights home, are not sufficient to lure Western pilots. Most of the foreigners flying in China have been recruited from South America and Eastern Europe.
India has also been forced to hire foreign pilots. Air India is understood to have grounded aircraft because of a shortage of pilots. Experts expect India to need up to 4,000 more pilots over the next five years and that training them will cost about $200 million.
Andrew Middleton, head of airline recruitment at Wynnwith Engineering, said: “Recruiting qualified captains is a problem for all major airlines at a time when soaring fuel prices are cutting into their profits.”
BEIJING REFORMS AIRLINE RULES
China pays pilots $2,466 to $6,000 a month, against $8,000 in India and between $8,000 and $18,000 in the UK.
China will start to deregulate civil aviation on August 15, government sources indicate. Domestic private investors will be able to invest in six local airlines but not the three largest airlines, Air China, China Eastern Airlines and China Southern Airlines.
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well, first of all I would like to congrat MH pilots for achieving 25/60 increment.....after you sign on the dotted line of course. Secondly, my question is. Would MAS offer such a deal if not due to the people left MH in big number? Hello MH guys. Look back many years ago where non of MH guys thinking of leaving. What do you get everytime the M of U expired? 1.5% plus 11 ringgit. Look back before year 2000. What kind of pay increment/s were there everytime the new M of U signed.
So, in all fairness, those guys that have left did you guys back there a big favor. whether you like it or not, it's the fact. The nature of business forced MH to take serious thinking in retaining pilots. How many of you would think of leaving if these 25/60 doesn't come into the picture. Plenty I heard....
Yes, many left because of financial reason and some for other reason( ie. command opportunity, etc..). Nevertheless, they made it, bringing good name of the nation to the other parts of the world. But what was MH guy back home called them? "TRAITOR". Is it right? Ask yourself. I have many ex-air force guys in MH. Do I call them traitor to King and Country? Why not? What do they get for flying the F5 or Caribou or C130? 900 ringgit as their flying allowance...and how much do get after jumping into the MH cockpit; of course some still flying with their glove on one hand.
worth it? yes, for those who have left and for those still in MH.
So, in all fairness, those guys that have left did you guys back there a big favor. whether you like it or not, it's the fact. The nature of business forced MH to take serious thinking in retaining pilots. How many of you would think of leaving if these 25/60 doesn't come into the picture. Plenty I heard....
Yes, many left because of financial reason and some for other reason( ie. command opportunity, etc..). Nevertheless, they made it, bringing good name of the nation to the other parts of the world. But what was MH guy back home called them? "TRAITOR". Is it right? Ask yourself. I have many ex-air force guys in MH. Do I call them traitor to King and Country? Why not? What do they get for flying the F5 or Caribou or C130? 900 ringgit as their flying allowance...and how much do get after jumping into the MH cockpit; of course some still flying with their glove on one hand.
worth it? yes, for those who have left and for those still in MH.
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Brianigham,
You are not far from the truth there. Someone once said, in the course of migration, only the strongest ones make it. You can see the proof of that through the globalization of the English language, culture, way of life, etc. through the course of a thousand years and in particular the last three hundred years.
We have seen the Americas, Africa, Asia and Australia colonised and how strong and powerful the western world has been and still is.
We must be strong, resilient, entrepreneurial, have a strong sense of adventure, high spirited and require every ounce of positiveness to be successful in a hostile but rewarding environment.
Today, all that bothers us from relocating to EK is...missing family members and friends. What other hardship? There's plenty of food and water, money, and if you really miss home, you can go home or fly them over for not much money (with your ID90), and it is only a few hours away. Family members, in turn get to experience a worthwhile overseas trip while bringing over the dried fish, sambals and other beautiful Malaysian food. Off load some satay from MAS. Yumm. No need for Indian food because, the Indian food here is great!!
It is not a big deal anymore. Students go overseas for a couple of years at a time without going home but we seem to have that problem. All this missing business is a weak trait and have to be dealt with. You have to come to terms with it yourself. I'm not taking a shot at you but just mention it in general.
I have been away for a few years now and pleased to report that all is well. I can afford a nice V8 Merc, some investment properties, great holidays and able to send my kids to a wonderful private school. I get to go back to KL whenever I wish and it's just a hop and a skip away. Apalagi mau? Many years ago I used to travel on the train for nearly a day going from KL-Gemas-Trengganu. Today it's a piece of pie.
I miss the good old days of course when as crew, we took care of each other quite well. There was a strong sense of "family" both between tech-tech and tech-cabin crew which made it worthwhile. Every trip was a blast.
That all started to change when Camel took over and brought the house down with his sledge hammer, RMC style, while sucking up to 019. Still the same now I hear.
How much longer are you guys going to wait? I know co pilots especially are waiting for their command before pishsing off, but some have waited for a long long time already. So you guys would wait for command and then give it up to join EK? Doesn't make sense.
Take a deep breath and take that jump! Make it happen. The real traitors here are those prihkss running MAS. They rort the system, rape and plunder with no feeling of shame.
You are not far from the truth there. Someone once said, in the course of migration, only the strongest ones make it. You can see the proof of that through the globalization of the English language, culture, way of life, etc. through the course of a thousand years and in particular the last three hundred years.
We have seen the Americas, Africa, Asia and Australia colonised and how strong and powerful the western world has been and still is.
We must be strong, resilient, entrepreneurial, have a strong sense of adventure, high spirited and require every ounce of positiveness to be successful in a hostile but rewarding environment.
Today, all that bothers us from relocating to EK is...missing family members and friends. What other hardship? There's plenty of food and water, money, and if you really miss home, you can go home or fly them over for not much money (with your ID90), and it is only a few hours away. Family members, in turn get to experience a worthwhile overseas trip while bringing over the dried fish, sambals and other beautiful Malaysian food. Off load some satay from MAS. Yumm. No need for Indian food because, the Indian food here is great!!
It is not a big deal anymore. Students go overseas for a couple of years at a time without going home but we seem to have that problem. All this missing business is a weak trait and have to be dealt with. You have to come to terms with it yourself. I'm not taking a shot at you but just mention it in general.
I have been away for a few years now and pleased to report that all is well. I can afford a nice V8 Merc, some investment properties, great holidays and able to send my kids to a wonderful private school. I get to go back to KL whenever I wish and it's just a hop and a skip away. Apalagi mau? Many years ago I used to travel on the train for nearly a day going from KL-Gemas-Trengganu. Today it's a piece of pie.
I miss the good old days of course when as crew, we took care of each other quite well. There was a strong sense of "family" both between tech-tech and tech-cabin crew which made it worthwhile. Every trip was a blast.
That all started to change when Camel took over and brought the house down with his sledge hammer, RMC style, while sucking up to 019. Still the same now I hear.
How much longer are you guys going to wait? I know co pilots especially are waiting for their command before pishsing off, but some have waited for a long long time already. So you guys would wait for command and then give it up to join EK? Doesn't make sense.
Take a deep breath and take that jump! Make it happen. The real traitors here are those prihkss running MAS. They rort the system, rape and plunder with no feeling of shame.
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Airlines going under in North America, and lousy t&c's with South American carriers, have been the saving grace of the airlines here in the "gulf" if it weren't for that happening, the "any qualified commercial pilot" thing would already be happening