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".....,i mean anyone could just tick an answer which they think will satisfy the selectors....dont they??"
Absolutely fatal! You certainly don't give the answers you think they want, you give the truth. These tests are constructed in such a way that they can quickly pick out someone who is trying to beat the system rather than just give truthful answers.
Absolutely fatal! You certainly don't give the answers you think they want, you give the truth. These tests are constructed in such a way that they can quickly pick out someone who is trying to beat the system rather than just give truthful answers.
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Hi,
Hmm.....maybe a lot of thinking has to be done.....but still flying is where i want to be.Well for the other airlines, i think maybe i'll just sit around and finish up my degree first,still got few more months to go.then my application letters will be filling up the desk of AA,SIA and RMAF....hehe.Niway bout the RMAF,dont seem to be able to get in to their website......Just dont know why their having one when no one is able to view it....
Hmm.....maybe a lot of thinking has to be done.....but still flying is where i want to be.Well for the other airlines, i think maybe i'll just sit around and finish up my degree first,still got few more months to go.then my application letters will be filling up the desk of AA,SIA and RMAF....hehe.Niway bout the RMAF,dont seem to be able to get in to their website......Just dont know why their having one when no one is able to view it....
ToPocHi,
You sound like a cadet alright. I can see some aptitude there. My main aim to correct Outlaw was not for the company's name,but as a senior in this industry and as a senior ( not very) Malaysian.
There are so many problem with the system today that produce large amount ( not all ) of youth with an attitude that 'everyone else owe them a living'. MAS is not oblige to take anyone in but that person himself has to prove himself to be creditble first by passing all the stages of tests and interview. If one can't make it, nobody is to blame except himself.
Now, put some effort in MFA, come into MAS and face the real challenge. It will be rewarding.
You sound like a cadet alright. I can see some aptitude there. My main aim to correct Outlaw was not for the company's name,but as a senior in this industry and as a senior ( not very) Malaysian.
There are so many problem with the system today that produce large amount ( not all ) of youth with an attitude that 'everyone else owe them a living'. MAS is not oblige to take anyone in but that person himself has to prove himself to be creditble first by passing all the stages of tests and interview. If one can't make it, nobody is to blame except himself.
Now, put some effort in MFA, come into MAS and face the real challenge. It will be rewarding.
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ToPoChi,
Those were my exact sentiments when I was doing my cadet training in the 70s. I thought I owed MAS everything as they selected me, they'd then look out for me and take care of me.
Well, sad to say they never did. Management had this notion that we were overpaid and that they they were too generous with the benefits (annual leave and 1st class travel). Slowly all these are being taken away. Sadly, Flt Ops management pilots, who are first off all pilots, are involved in this scheme to take away our benefits. Look, everytime we negotiate a new MoU, our increments has been peanuts. That's why we are in this predicament of being once amongst the highest paid in the region to now being one of the lowest.
65% pay increase? Well.. fantasy stuff. In my 26 years with MAS, there was only twice (if my jurasic brains remembers right) that we got a double digit % payrise. That too was around 10%. MAS has refused further negotiations and final offer is at 25%. Reckoned they are going for arbitration. And looking at newpaper articles and so on, the layman on the sreets have the impression that our pay is already excessive (more than the PM even). IMHO, even after arbitration, we're looking at around 25%, if not less (FYI 25% could be the biggest pay rise MAS has ever given).
In the 70s when I was a SO on the F27 based in BKI, MAS seconded some captains from East-West Airways from Australia. They were in the mid 40s and were the best F27 pilots ever in those days! They thought our salary was a joke, but came over nonetheless take a break from "flying in Aussie land" and have a "holiday". 2 years later, East-West took them back.
During one of my annual leave, I went to SYD and caught up with them. I went to one of the capt's house. It was a huge bungalow, by the sea (Sylvania Waters), had this beatifully manicured garden, swimming pool, and parked outside right infront of the house by the jetty was a speed boat and a sailboat. He had 3 cars, 2 luxury sedan and a pick-up. He said he was able to afford all this because his company pays him well. Well, in those days his salary was 3 times more than our local capts already.
But for me, the biggest disappointment is that MAS is hiring expats on the 744s, our premier fleet. If MAS thinks about taking care and looking after their pilots, this would never have happened. I have nothing against the expats, but I feel sad that expats are flying our premier fleet, when it has never happened before and could have been avoided if we had decent, and above all honest management pilots looking after our interest instead of theirs.
ToPoChi, I pity people like you. You are only starting, soon you'll see the real MAS, and you'll be disappointed. But my advise to you, take it a step at a time, and do your best everytime. Get your command and then look around.
My further advise is for the established pilots. KNOW YOUR WORTH. If MAS cannot appreciate your worth to the organisation, there are others that do. It's a pilots' market now, take the opportunity to better your lot and improve the quality of your life. You at least owe your family this.
And you remember those East-West pilots that I was talking about? Well, the Malaysians that are living the equivalent life like the East-West guys are all working for Emirates, Etihad, China Airlines, Korean and so on.
Jolly jolly.
Those were my exact sentiments when I was doing my cadet training in the 70s. I thought I owed MAS everything as they selected me, they'd then look out for me and take care of me.
Well, sad to say they never did. Management had this notion that we were overpaid and that they they were too generous with the benefits (annual leave and 1st class travel). Slowly all these are being taken away. Sadly, Flt Ops management pilots, who are first off all pilots, are involved in this scheme to take away our benefits. Look, everytime we negotiate a new MoU, our increments has been peanuts. That's why we are in this predicament of being once amongst the highest paid in the region to now being one of the lowest.
65% pay increase? Well.. fantasy stuff. In my 26 years with MAS, there was only twice (if my jurasic brains remembers right) that we got a double digit % payrise. That too was around 10%. MAS has refused further negotiations and final offer is at 25%. Reckoned they are going for arbitration. And looking at newpaper articles and so on, the layman on the sreets have the impression that our pay is already excessive (more than the PM even). IMHO, even after arbitration, we're looking at around 25%, if not less (FYI 25% could be the biggest pay rise MAS has ever given).
In the 70s when I was a SO on the F27 based in BKI, MAS seconded some captains from East-West Airways from Australia. They were in the mid 40s and were the best F27 pilots ever in those days! They thought our salary was a joke, but came over nonetheless take a break from "flying in Aussie land" and have a "holiday". 2 years later, East-West took them back.
During one of my annual leave, I went to SYD and caught up with them. I went to one of the capt's house. It was a huge bungalow, by the sea (Sylvania Waters), had this beatifully manicured garden, swimming pool, and parked outside right infront of the house by the jetty was a speed boat and a sailboat. He had 3 cars, 2 luxury sedan and a pick-up. He said he was able to afford all this because his company pays him well. Well, in those days his salary was 3 times more than our local capts already.
But for me, the biggest disappointment is that MAS is hiring expats on the 744s, our premier fleet. If MAS thinks about taking care and looking after their pilots, this would never have happened. I have nothing against the expats, but I feel sad that expats are flying our premier fleet, when it has never happened before and could have been avoided if we had decent, and above all honest management pilots looking after our interest instead of theirs.
ToPoChi, I pity people like you. You are only starting, soon you'll see the real MAS, and you'll be disappointed. But my advise to you, take it a step at a time, and do your best everytime. Get your command and then look around.
My further advise is for the established pilots. KNOW YOUR WORTH. If MAS cannot appreciate your worth to the organisation, there are others that do. It's a pilots' market now, take the opportunity to better your lot and improve the quality of your life. You at least owe your family this.
And you remember those East-West pilots that I was talking about? Well, the Malaysians that are living the equivalent life like the East-West guys are all working for Emirates, Etihad, China Airlines, Korean and so on.
Jolly jolly.
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Hi everyone,
Is life in MAS that hard?Hmm......How about the scenario in Air Asia?Is it the same?How come i dont see any Air Asia pilots posting here?Glad to have some feedback from them.
Is life in MAS that hard?Hmm......How about the scenario in Air Asia?Is it the same?How come i dont see any Air Asia pilots posting here?Glad to have some feedback from them.
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ToPochi,
Congratulations on your selection and i applaud you on your positive attitude and you commitment to your profession.Thats the way most of us felt when we were at your stage.When you come back and join us after training you will see the real picture and i would keep a copy of Shintaro's post and re read it again after sometime. But by then i am sure you would have your own opinions and i do hope that by then that your hopes of a caring company would prevail.At this moment in time its far from that.
Good advice has been given by some of the posts before and you sound like you have the right attitude towards your career.Keep it up and you will find yourself
ready for the worlds market when the time comes if all your hopes with MAS has been dampered.
regards
Congratulations on your selection and i applaud you on your positive attitude and you commitment to your profession.Thats the way most of us felt when we were at your stage.When you come back and join us after training you will see the real picture and i would keep a copy of Shintaro's post and re read it again after sometime. But by then i am sure you would have your own opinions and i do hope that by then that your hopes of a caring company would prevail.At this moment in time its far from that.
Good advice has been given by some of the posts before and you sound like you have the right attitude towards your career.Keep it up and you will find yourself
ready for the worlds market when the time comes if all your hopes with MAS has been dampered.
regards
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TPC:
In MAS:
1: Medical benefit: subsidized- means we have to pay 50% of group hospitalization insurance. Limit: FO 40k a year. Capt 60k a year. Balance; fork out your own cash. If you have family: sorry no outpatient coverage. Outpatient treatment to panel clinic: limited to rm28 per visit. Anything xtra, the panel clinic will be removed frm panel list the following year. Even your wife deliver, prepare your own cash.
2: Bond: you are bonded for 15 years, means you cannot leave MAS for 15 years. At the same time they deduct your salary monthly to pay back your training fees. To cover RM150k in 15 years, thats close 1.5k a month. And its only happening in MAS. There is no other organization, that you pay back your training cost and serve the bond at same time.
3: Once you finished your ab-initio training, it depends on com requirement. If you're lucky, you'll be in 737. If not stuck flying Otter. Again if your timing is correct, you won't be long on narrow body, but if you're not, you'll be there for at least 3 yrs. Some even longer. Again as you comin back in big group, the training ie sim, line training will take much longer. In 96-99 cadets were sent as cabin crew because training dept can't cope up.
4: With current MAS's fleet, and 1100+ pilots, if your seniority num in the 1st half, then command is not that far. Definitely you'll be the juniors on your joining date, so your command will take very long. Even now FO with seniority num in the mid 500 to 600 still on right seat and some of their juniors are already commander because comp says: "we cannot release you for command due ops requirement" and at the same time taking expat as capts and 747 fos.
5: Travel: the annual privilage travel is not a confirm seat. You and your family may be bump off in the other side of the world if suddenly your return flt is full. There is this instances where capt's family was bump off the flt in Paris, and poor capt has to fly back Paris KL knowing his family stuck in Paris.
6: The lists goes on. Once youre in then you know why pilots are leaving...
BTW good luck. Don't put so much hope in MAS then you'll not be disappointed and frustated.
In MAS:
1: Medical benefit: subsidized- means we have to pay 50% of group hospitalization insurance. Limit: FO 40k a year. Capt 60k a year. Balance; fork out your own cash. If you have family: sorry no outpatient coverage. Outpatient treatment to panel clinic: limited to rm28 per visit. Anything xtra, the panel clinic will be removed frm panel list the following year. Even your wife deliver, prepare your own cash.
2: Bond: you are bonded for 15 years, means you cannot leave MAS for 15 years. At the same time they deduct your salary monthly to pay back your training fees. To cover RM150k in 15 years, thats close 1.5k a month. And its only happening in MAS. There is no other organization, that you pay back your training cost and serve the bond at same time.
3: Once you finished your ab-initio training, it depends on com requirement. If you're lucky, you'll be in 737. If not stuck flying Otter. Again if your timing is correct, you won't be long on narrow body, but if you're not, you'll be there for at least 3 yrs. Some even longer. Again as you comin back in big group, the training ie sim, line training will take much longer. In 96-99 cadets were sent as cabin crew because training dept can't cope up.
4: With current MAS's fleet, and 1100+ pilots, if your seniority num in the 1st half, then command is not that far. Definitely you'll be the juniors on your joining date, so your command will take very long. Even now FO with seniority num in the mid 500 to 600 still on right seat and some of their juniors are already commander because comp says: "we cannot release you for command due ops requirement" and at the same time taking expat as capts and 747 fos.
5: Travel: the annual privilage travel is not a confirm seat. You and your family may be bump off in the other side of the world if suddenly your return flt is full. There is this instances where capt's family was bump off the flt in Paris, and poor capt has to fly back Paris KL knowing his family stuck in Paris.
6: The lists goes on. Once youre in then you know why pilots are leaving...
BTW good luck. Don't put so much hope in MAS then you'll not be disappointed and frustated.
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Hi flightleader,
I have a very strong passion to join MAS as cadet pilot. i have submitted my application last 2 weeks and i am still waiting for the call... Normally, how MAS call candidate to turn up for interview? izzit using phone call or email... During the duration of waiting, what should i prepare in order to get through all the interview stages..
I have a very strong passion to join MAS as cadet pilot. i have submitted my application last 2 weeks and i am still waiting for the call... Normally, how MAS call candidate to turn up for interview? izzit using phone call or email... During the duration of waiting, what should i prepare in order to get through all the interview stages..
ness_ 88,
Good for you to have an aim in life.
Don't sit and wait too long. After 6 weeks of your application,you should call them. Do your research here, alot has been said.
Good luck.
Good for you to have an aim in life.
Don't sit and wait too long. After 6 weeks of your application,you should call them. Do your research here, alot has been said.
Good luck.
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Mas??!!
I can't remember who was the one who said that if you join AirAsia, "May the force be with you". I agree with him. The new DFO is managing by fear (fear to his subordinates). If you want to know who or what he is, ask the ex-airforce especially the ex-fighter pilots or the existing senior fighter pilots. Even his cosway downlines (like me) are thinking twice to join AirAsia or sending their kids there. But, many hope that he will change. I really hope so, for the sake of the pilots and the cabin crew in AirAsia.
With the new pay revision, I was told that pilots are still sending cv all over the world.
With the new pay revision, I was told that pilots are still sending cv all over the world.
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Ness_83...i believe you're off to a good start already. Havitng passion is the first step to becoming a pilot, or a cadet pilot for that matter. In the course of training, there will be times when your ATPL studies will stress you to your bones and that's when the passion will come in. Everyone seems to be talking about pay scales, benefits and the like. But seriously, if flying is all you wanna do, then it doesn't matter who you fly for be it for a national carrier such as MAS or the LCC's like Air Asia, Tiger, or JetStar. So my advice is to apply to other airlines, not just MAS. SIA takes Malaysians, apply to Air Asia, take out a loan and enroll at MFA. Keep that passion up and don't give up on your dreams.
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Hi topochi,
Good that u have the passion for flying.I just cant disagree with outlaw about those without any passion for flying going through.I've seen quite number of them.Funny that the personality test cant show out someone with the real passion.Anyway topochi,good luck to you man........Adios!!!
Good that u have the passion for flying.I just cant disagree with outlaw about those without any passion for flying going through.I've seen quite number of them.Funny that the personality test cant show out someone with the real passion.Anyway topochi,good luck to you man........Adios!!!
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Hi all, I have applied for the cadet pilot position in MAS since March, and still have not got back any replies from them since. I have also emailed them twice to enquire about my application but there was no reply as well. I am just so dissapointed with them for not calling me up for an interview as I have a degree in engineering. I'm not saying that I'm the greatest person on earth with a degree, since being a pilot is not about how many 'A's you've got like some has said, but I do believe I stand a higher chance compared to SPM holders. I really hope my race is not the issue to them, because that would have dissapoint me even more. Cheers...
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harumph...
well, with a screen name called SQ007, it really aint a big surprise.
not very patriotic are you...
MAS can sense the darkside in you... if you rename your screen name to MH007, then i'm guessing you'd have a chance.
not very patriotic are you...
MAS can sense the darkside in you... if you rename your screen name to MH007, then i'm guessing you'd have a chance.
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Hi there
it is true that having degree helps you in applying for MAS cadet pilot. But then again, in my experience( i got called just by my pre vet diploma), you also need to be active in your extra curricular and add in your CV. Because MAS needs not just academically qualified cadet,but they also need people who has leadership and has good social skills.
good day everyone and never stop giving up ! and never stop asking yah
it is true that having degree helps you in applying for MAS cadet pilot. But then again, in my experience( i got called just by my pre vet diploma), you also need to be active in your extra curricular and add in your CV. Because MAS needs not just academically qualified cadet,but they also need people who has leadership and has good social skills.
good day everyone and never stop giving up ! and never stop asking yah