Mas??!!

[Outlaw]

MAS opens up vacancy for cadet pilot again!!! i just dont get!it's like everyone i know who applied and got a call up just dont seem to get through the aptitude test.all those fellows that i know are really high flyers in studies and i dont see the point of them getting rejected bcoz of low IQ??!!

Think thats wat u get if ur crazy of flying and have a passion for the aviation industry.If u just 1 2 go for the money,then i think MAS will take u in.Come on MAS!!its the age of LCC now and u've got to do something to stay up unless u want to continue going down the s**t hole!!

Start paying to someone who has an appreciation for the aviation industry.

Thumbs up for Air Asia for the tremendous growth,Thanx to Mr.Tony for bringing us this airline.

To u guys out there,want to hear ur views on this man.all views accepted negative or positive.

To any pilot or anyone who knows something bout the operation of twin otters by MAS,plz provide some info.would like to know the status of the operations,are they gud and wats the ticket price like and no. of flights per day.thanx.

[Thermal Image]

Stop writing SMS style and maybe someone will give you advice.

Lazy people like you don't deserve a response further than this.

[flightleader]

Outlaw,

1) You are just applling for cadet pilot, looks like you did not pass the simpliest of all which is the first step to aviation.Besides you fail your aptitude, I think your attitude has a serious problem! The name 'Outlaw' has said the lot.

2) Don't praise someone gives you empty promises, try go for your 737 course with NO manuals. Yes, no manuals. Is this organisation gonna make you a good pilot?

3) If you are a young chap in your 20s, please mind you language! There are a lot of professionals on this forum and mostly much older than you are. In Malaysian culture, you have insulted your parents by using this sorts of language in the presents of elderly(worst still now the whole world read it).This also shows you upbringing.

4) I thank God ( and the person who fail you) that you missed the cut. Otherwise,I have to do the job of fixing you straight when you start flying with us.

5) Who are you to condem the airline? ( I mean THE AIRLINE in Malaysia!). You are not even a cadet yet? Now, with this sort of ungreatful,sour grape,childish type of attitude, the only thing same for you to fly is a KITE! Now,go to the field and leave this forum to the professionals!

[threepwood]

Hey all!

flightleader, I agree with you on the respect part; but, with all due respect, don't you think you should be a bit less aggressive? I do not mean any disrespect, but I would like to give you- and everyone else for that matter- a friendly advice: please be friendly when criticizing people.

Back on topic. Do you think MAS will ever take foreign cadets? I am willing to pay every and any dime they ask for if they just accept me (better to pay for a (presumably) guaranteed job than a degree! Or so is my opinion).

threepwood

[flightleader]

Threepwood,

Mas does not take foreigners as cadets, I personally wish they do. You would probably become much better pilot than 'some' of the locals.

The youth of (Malaysia) today has an attitude that make me sick to my stomach. I'm only in my mid 30s and I feel it. Just take a look at the way they trash MFA on this forum and trying to warn MAS and AA. Little did they know that most of the people of MAS aware of MFA problems when these young chaps are still in liquid form! People like 'Outlaw' only know how to blame others for their own failures.

I'm not normally this nasty but for someone who carries the national flag on my back whenever I fly,I feel
responsible to correct 'Outlaw' who show no respect for others from the first post.

[Outlaw]

hi flightleader,

U mean me being not respectful for writing like that??just check the other post in this forum and then you'll know there are a lot more ( and i mean it ) ppl than me out there who uses "rougher" words than me.just go and check out and i really feel pity for u because for being a 30 years old brother (respect) u dont know this??

And do you know what a forum is for?It's a place for anyone regardless of their age to voice their comments,either it's positive or negative.So please dont try to think that everyone on this world doesnt make a mistake.If you have something good about MAS to tell,carry on with your views but dont try to stop others from sharing their thoughts.
Otherwise,the forum will become a place to advertise a company...try selling MAS tickets on this forum...

Anyway i did pass my psychomotor test but not the psychometric test.And again if u think that youths like me is not supposed to voice out their views and just sit around listening to their parents,then i just dont know what else to say...No wonder our country's R&D is very "good",because the younger generation is deprived of their freedom of thinking.Come on sir (respect),please grow up....Anyway not trying to be rude,which third world country are u from....?if you're not from one,please stop acting like one sir (respect again) And if ur trying to be professional,why dont just put ur location...maybe your country's in the location box...what's downunder??? Oh yah,if u know anything about the operations of twin otters,please share your info.thanx sir (respect)
Sorry......


May all the youths rise high in their challenges.

[babyboeing400]

Outlaw,being a good pilot is not about how many As you have on your academic certificate..it's also about your aptitute and talent to be a good pilot.If academic archievements is the only factor to be taken into consideration when MAS is recruiting cadets,then I personally think they would just be bringing in bookworms in to become their future pilots.You didn't pass your MISPA test,it's either u didnt have a high-enough aptitute to stand out among everyone else or it could be a problem with your attitude and personality ;-)

[kipas]

Yup..if you fail your MISPA test,it doesnt mean that you are stupid .Maybe they see you as another CAMEL in the making..

[Susheel]

Outlaw

Dude,

where did u get the info that they are recruiting cadets again?? was there an ad lately ? if so when and where?

Cheers

[tompret]

Outlaw,

May I know your ethnic and your origin, please. Did you attend the qualification test conducted by MAS and you did not make it?
Do you aspire to become a pilot?

The way I look at your expressions, sorry to say that you just dont have what it takes to become a pilot. Go take your dreams somewhere else and with such an attitude, you wont even make it ab-inition flying training.

Your paper qualifications does not determine your flying ability. So, if you have failed to qualify at the initial cadetship programme entry test, then you can might as well just go and fly kites.

[Skyline]

Outlaw, don't even bother applying for the DHC6 fleet unless you have a passion for real hands on flying. Cowboy style. In the real world these days, light turboprop time is basically worthless anyway to jet operating airlines (includg MAS) but flying the Otter does improve your manipulative skills and increases your appreciation for weather and terrain! MAS management has basically forgotten it has the TwinOtter under its wings. Guys have been slogging it there for almost 5years now with no signs of promotion to mainfleet ie F50 and above, and direct entry pilots to the upper fleet bypass you in senority everytime! It is a comfy life though with mostly daily flights and the occasional nitestop within Borneo. MAS currently operates 5 aircrafts with crew flying 6-7 sectors perday. DHC pilots are on a diff payscale and earn diff benefits then their other counterparts flying heavier aircraft. Nobody understands the biasness. And MAS wonders why nobody applies for the TwinOtter! Perhaps if they did treat everyone fairly and just, things would be different. Kudos to the management of MAS.

I dont see the relevence of ticket price.... but all tickets are heavily subsidised by the govt.

As for the MESPA test, the results don't really make a difference. If they want you, they'll accept you no matter what. I've seen idiots get accepted. Its basically a reason to fail your entry into MAS if need be.

If the grass is greener elsewhere, why stay and eat hay? Same job, lousy benefits. Like a genius said, it isn't the pull of the $USD, middle eastern carriers are offering that is making pilots in MAS leave, its the push factor within MAS. Lousy management and lousy benefits. Syabas MAS!

[Outlaw]

cadet pilot

hi susheel,
yes MAS is still recruiting cadets again,u can check their website at www.malaysiaairlines.com,and it is still going on.Dont know when their going to stop it.

But i see that your location is in australia.are you a malaysian?if no then sorry because MAS dont take in non-malaysians as their cadets.If your a malaysian then apply and all the best to you.

Hi everyone,

Thanx for ur views.maybe as you\'ve said it could be my attitude problem,well that has to change doesnt it?thanx again.

To skyline,thanx for your info on the twin otter.it\'s just that when almost everyone is fascinated by the big jets,i really admire the twin otter.I just love to see them rush down the runway during takeoff when i\'m around the airport.Anyway thanx again.

Oh yah skyline, are you a pilot for the DHC-6 fleet?

[flightleader]

Outlaw said:

'Come on sir (respect),please grow up....Anyway not trying to be rude,which third world country are u from....?if you're not from one,please stop acting like one sir (respect again) And if ur trying to be professional,why dont just put ur location...maybe your country's in the location box...what's downunder???'


From what you have said above, everyone knows you're below 25 years of age. Try look into a good map and see where is 'Downunder'.

Look at the replies, don't they tell you anything? I'm not saying young chap like you has no right to speak up( and noone can ever restrict your thinking), just that blasting at MAS is not an appropriate thing to do just because you are not in it.

I don't advertise for MAS but I speak for all the great people who hold up the the good name by contributing professinally. MAS has nothing but some great people behind it.Well, you may just too young to understand this.

I can see that you're turning around after reading the replies. Please straightern yourself up before heading to the sky. Being a pilot is all about discipline and nothing to do with straight As and attitude larger than life will dig you a big hole in the ground earlier than you would expected.

Regards,

Flightleader.

[bck2basic]

I can't but agree on the part of flying is not about A's etc but MAS is so selective in thier intakes that even somebody with the right attributes is overlooked because one can guess one's "R".

I think to be fair atleast MAS should start taking in locals who have the relevant Licences but can't get in due to some shortfalls in their qualifications rather than open up the flood gates for foreigners.This should be their last option.Cheers..........

[Brianigham]

My MAS.

Hi folks,

Lots have been said and is going to be said about this beautiful company MAS. I have been browsing this forum for years now, mostly reading the more technical post, picking up on a wealth of infomation and great tips from some great pilots out there.

I am all for, outright honest postings. An anonymous forum like this provides that platform. Its also very forgiving on the occasional outburst.

Dear Outlaw,
I hope this doesnt offend. The high school grades or college degree with a string of distinctions does not automatically make someone the best candidate for any job, including flying. I can understand your frustration at not getting in and seeing many guys you consider as high flyers not getting the cadet programme offered by Malaysia Airlines. Each and every company has got their own set of requirements and extras that they may be looking for in choosing hopefuls for cadet programmes.

Sometimes they "up the standards" when their demand is low and I am sure sometimes they lower the standards when they really need the guys in. But basically they know what they want. I believe MAS have done a great job in cadet selection. Many people I wrongly categorised as "not so smart" have proven me wrong with their great flair for aviation and the discipline, and professionalism displayed on the job. On the same note many who at first glance seemed to be from the "brighter lot" have also been somewhat disappointing. And I am sure many guys out there who could have been great aviators are slowly accepting the fact that they will never do any flying because they missed out on an opportunity like this. Different companies have different requirements. Look around for other airlines. Try Air Asia.

Though I dont know much about AA, I have heard that they recently employed 2 people that will definitely give the training a taste of Classic MAS.

You got a long road ahead of you outlaw. Humility, though not necessarily the most important or universally accepted factor, is definitely an important trait in the pursuit of knowledge. This job flying jets with the big boys is just that. A never ending learning process.

[Susheel]

Outlaw

Dude,

Yup im malaysian. Im back now in Malaysia and did apply the last time the ad came out in the papers in March. I did not receive a call from HR.

Got my degree in Civil Aviation from Australia. Thats why the location states so.


Cheers for the info, i'm on the ball.


See ya

[Outlaw]

Hi susheel,

Well dont worry if u still havent got a reply from MAS yet.You said u applied in March right?There is still a long way to go.I've waited for 3 months the last time before they called me up for the psychomotor test.Why dont try calling these few numbers?You might get some answers.All da best man.....
pn.ruslina @ 03-78403124 or pn.latifah @03-78402448.

Hi flightleader,

Well maybe i've done a mistake.....it's just that i'm too frustrated at being rejected.I've passed the psychomotor test and I dont think the IQ question was tough for me,just some logic sequence test and some simple maths.So the only place where the problem could be is the personality test.I just dont see how the personality test could be a measurement of one's real personality.....,i mean anyone could just tick an answer which they think will satisfy the selectors....dont they??

Niway thanx everyone for the advice.Flightleader,are you a pilot with MAS?If yes what fleet are you in?you're an FO or Capt?Thanx

[cav-not-ok]

sigh..

outlaw...

sorry to hear about your rejection....hehhe. anyhow.. it could be because of alot of things.. for instance,

your behaviour/conduct during the sessions, your dressing, the way you answered the questions in the apttitude test (always be honest, never try and be a company man when you do that test), your age, your height, and lastly, your race..

getting in to be a pilot is hard, getting in to be a cadet is harder.. so don't worry, try again, try elsewhere, or wtf, forget about being a pilot and be a business man and earn 3x,4x,5x,oox a pilots pay. being a pilot is not that nice and rosie as it seems from the outside. it is a very very stressful job, with very little security, and freedom. there's no (or at least a very troubled) family life.
the studying never ends, and if you make 1 mistake, you pay with your life.

so, think. ask yourself, do i really want to be a pilot. do i really want to risk my life everyday, do i really want to keep fighting for my job, or do i want to be a millionaire who has pilots working for him. hehehe..

dont blame MAS, they might of just saved your life. i mean, you look at these forums, at the newspapers, these people dont seem very happy.. they are just doing what they can and trying their level best to avoid getting screwed. BUT if you really love flying and will do anything to fly, i hear the RMAF has some pretty good openings. and some nice planes too.. heheheh

GOOD LUCK...!

[flightleader]

Outlaw,

I've ~8000 hours,all jets and more than 3000 command hours. You can guess where I am.

Your hair stlye may have more significant than the paper of that Personality test .

Bought you new world map yet?

Cav-not-ok,

That's a good joke!

[Brianigham]

Yeah,I'm around that amount of flying too. Mas was a great place to be. Still is good.....but we are in the process of deciding where we wanna go. UP or BUST. That will be decided soon by the Board.

Outlaw! Have you tried AA. Give them a shot dude!


Its 2 different things you see.....

A person just wanting to get a job and a person with quite a bit of flying experience looking at his options.

If you are just trying to get in. Do it with open ears & eyes only. You know the 3 monkeys thingy

Then when you have EARNED those wings and been around for sometime, had your feet trampled on. Have crap shoved down through the line and really know your stuff, then I recommend you use the other apparatus, especially when you are making statements about the IQ of a group of people.

Cheers! Just for your info . It took me about 2 years to actually get in. Some gave up after the 3rd year of trying, had their parents morgage nearly their whole life and go do it on their own. They didnt come in crying foul and behaving like the whole world owes them an explanation. Having said that, in all fairness a little gusto is always good if you got the goods!