MAS Pilots leaving in huge numbers
MAS Pilots leaving in huge numbers
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well my friend...the boss n his cohorts in flt ops seems to be not worried..according to them the numbers are 'just about right'.. btw there will be a new fleet in MAS soon.. it will be called the 'CRIPPLE SEVEN' fleet 
...hmmm...i just wonder who the fleet chief will be 
...hmmm...i just wonder who the fleet chief will be
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The toad is retiring soon and has ensured that his nest egg is fully feathered. What does it matter that MAS cannot crew its flights as long as he has his bimmer and driver and of course his "title."
Come the middle of the year it will be interesting to see how he will continue to pull the wool over the eyes of the people he answers to ........ and I don't mean the pilots.
Come the middle of the year it will be interesting to see how he will continue to pull the wool over the eyes of the people he answers to ........ and I don't mean the pilots.
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I think the flights are barely manned...for the moment as opposed to not manned in the near future. A few domestic flights have been cancelled and you got wide bodies doing short hops. But of course the toad n his little tadpoles are saying they are not short(excuse the pun) and got loads of cadets to fill the space of the experienced. So only time will tell the true picture when the big exodus happens and whoever thats left behind bust their hours...
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Youngest 777 Capt.
Does this mean, if you have a frozen ATPL, you re related to someone that DID work at MAS, and you are no more than 23 years of age, you should expect to get a Triple 7 command. Can hardly wait! So the most improved cadet should be on the way up soon to command. What a grand company is MAS. Short in management, short in experience.
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Iso,
For that 23yo 777 command slot you'd have to be the most improved first officer first!!!!
MAS is a grand company and lots of good people there...except in the right places. A history would have it that when these good people get to the top, they will become bad people.
One thing is for sure, they are true to their motto 'Going beyond expectations'...... None of the staff expects to be s***wed sooooo badly
For that 23yo 777 command slot you'd have to be the most improved first officer first!!!!
MAS is a grand company and lots of good people there...except in the right places. A history would have it that when these good people get to the top, they will become bad people.
One thing is for sure, they are true to their motto 'Going beyond expectations'...... None of the staff expects to be s***wed sooooo badly
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Operation Smoke Screen
MAS is in Crisis Management Mode now.A big smoke screen is being carried out to dupe the Joe Public & the shareholders, that they are running a tight ship.To emphasise that fact, they rewarded themselves with spanking brand new Beemers & Mercs (talk about bling bling 
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Guess what folks?Even better news is that these guys are retiring soon. A legacy of mismanagement will be passed on (this is MAS SOP's
) & whoever carries the can will have a bigger headache as they will have to put the worms back into the can!
Admitedly, MAS has never had a flight cancellation.Even if they did, it's for 'strategically commercial' reasons (whatever that means
) Flights are retimed to find the pilots to fly them or even better upgrade the flights to bigger equipment (even if that means you operate at a loss 
) Pilots are being denied the leave that is due to them (unless you hit max hours 
), & promotions are frozen or classes being deferred.This is a classic Crisis Management! MBA students (God knows they have too many in MAS management) should make this a case study. Yeah right! 
The management's mantra of "Don't worry 200 cadets are coming" is just a convenient excuse to the shareholders. What they don't know is the fact that it takes a lot of time (try 10 years) & investment (millions of ringgit) to replace a single Captain or senior First Officers. Well done MAS, you certainly made us realise that Malaysia Boleh! As it is,MAS pilots are being courted to man fleets of airliners around the world. 
To the cadets, I won't hold my breath for a fast promotion,let alone a command position.
MAS promotions are strictly seniority based (as with most airlines).Which means first in, first up.As it is, you are looking at about a minimum of 600 co pilots in the system, so pick a number & wait for your turn.In other words....get through your cadetship & your license before worrying about your command prospects 
To make matters worse, the word around town is that the bosses are looking to hire cheap expat pilots to plug the manpower leak.But they are not the only airlines inthe world looking for pilots......or hoping for a major to go bust.
Well done MAS (or in this case the mismanagers of MAS)
)Guess what folks?Even better news is that these guys are retiring soon. A legacy of mismanagement will be passed on (this is MAS SOP's
) & whoever carries the can will have a bigger headache as they will have to put the worms back into the can! Admitedly, MAS has never had a flight cancellation.Even if they did, it's for 'strategically commercial' reasons (whatever that means
) Flights are retimed to find the pilots to fly them or even better upgrade the flights to bigger equipment (even if that means you operate at a loss ) Pilots are being denied the leave that is due to them (unless you hit max hours ), & promotions are frozen or classes being deferred.This is a classic Crisis Management! MBA students (God knows they have too many in MAS management) should make this a case study. Yeah right! The management's mantra of "Don't worry 200 cadets are coming" is just a convenient excuse to the shareholders. What they don't know is the fact that it takes a lot of time (try 10 years) & investment (millions of ringgit) to replace a single Captain or senior First Officers. Well done MAS, you certainly made us realise that Malaysia Boleh!
As it is,MAS pilots are being courted to man fleets of airliners around the world. To the cadets, I won't hold my breath for a fast promotion,let alone a command position.
MAS promotions are strictly seniority based (as with most airlines).Which means first in, first up.As it is, you are looking at about a minimum of 600 co pilots in the system, so pick a number & wait for your turn.In other words....get through your cadetship & your license before worrying about your command prospects To make matters worse, the word around town is that the bosses are looking to hire cheap expat pilots to plug the manpower leak.But they are not the only airlines inthe world looking for pilots......or hoping for a major to go bust.
Well done MAS (or in this case the mismanagers of MAS)
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
As an ex-MAS pilot, who left in '99, I still have a "soft spot" for that airline, and it has been a shame to see the "experience" being drained from it, as pilots leave to take positions that reward them far better than Malaysian does.
There MUST come the time when MAS is going to have to start to pay ABOVE market rates to attract pilots, as the loss of experience is leading them down a one-way street.
"Penny wise, but pound foolish"? Is that how MAS management could be described?
Rather than increasing salaries (and returning some of the conditions that Percy enjoyed taking away) by a reasonable amount, to keep their existing staff and plug the drain, it was decided to leave them low.
The salary INCREASES that MAS are now facing, are going to cost them multiples of what they have "saved".
Well all I can say is "Good Luck"!!! So is Silk Air, Tiger Airways, JetStar Asia and JAL - on the latter, I have been reliably told that they alone, will be after 100 foreign Captains over the next 2-3 years.
I'm tipping MAS is going to (have to) be one of the TOP paying airlines within the next 5 years, because of the situation they have been manoeuvering themselves into (letting pilots walk) over the past few years!
There MUST come the time when MAS is going to have to start to pay ABOVE market rates to attract pilots, as the loss of experience is leading them down a one-way street.
"Penny wise, but pound foolish"? Is that how MAS management could be described?
Rather than increasing salaries (and returning some of the conditions that Percy enjoyed taking away) by a reasonable amount, to keep their existing staff and plug the drain, it was decided to leave them low.
The salary INCREASES that MAS are now facing, are going to cost them multiples of what they have "saved".
the word around town is that the bosses are looking to hire cheap expat pilots
I'm tipping MAS is going to (have to) be one of the TOP paying airlines within the next 5 years, because of the situation they have been manoeuvering themselves into (letting pilots walk) over the past few years!
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Apologies for the confusion. There is no such thing as a "most improved first officer". It was a term given to one of the sons of one of the management pilots while in training school which was "most improved cadet". IMHO it was an award given to him because 1) he was not very good to start with or 2) its to s*ck up to this particular management person and the boy is still not any good.
your first command at the mmoent will be on the 737 or F50 and the youngest 737 capt historically has been 26yo and 777 was 30 if i remember right. But these was just a matter of timing and it so happens these said persons joined at the right time as EY777 has explained it works on a seniority list. At this moment it takes more than 10 years to get command and the time should be longer the later you join.Guys who joined about 11 years ago are only getting their command now and many more who have yet to be promoted.
MAS has a lot of good pilots and rest assured that you will be trained to world standards should you join them as we have seen are sought after by many airlines.BUT as a cadet you will be bonded for 15 yrs and made to pay back the WHOLE amount of your training which i heard these days can run up to about 250k.
On the other hand, since MAS pilots have decided to move to greener pastures where they are treated well and paid market rate(as opposed to grossly underpaid by 2 to 3 times and treated like scum) by the time you have enough hours for command you might make it in min time (bout 7 yrs) and by then you will know what i am talking about and be so fed up you will also leave for other airlines for the same reasons if not more(try not to sign the bond cos you'd be stuck here for 15yrs)
Finally if you are already in the system ...Welcome to the Malaysian Aviation School!!!!!!!!Bling Bling
Kaptin M,
In your experience here you should know by now \'penny wise pound foolish\' is THE way they work around here. Trust me, Percy was just the tip of the iceberg.
You must be one of the guys who has a hand in making us world class. Thanks for that.Maybe one day we will meet somewhere and can share penny wise pound foolish stories.
BTW have you heard that one of not putting toothpicks on the meal trays and also the one where we get 1 page on the roster instead of 2?
your first command at the mmoent will be on the 737 or F50 and the youngest 737 capt historically has been 26yo and 777 was 30 if i remember right. But these was just a matter of timing and it so happens these said persons joined at the right time as EY777 has explained it works on a seniority list. At this moment it takes more than 10 years to get command and the time should be longer the later you join.Guys who joined about 11 years ago are only getting their command now and many more who have yet to be promoted.
MAS has a lot of good pilots and rest assured that you will be trained to world standards should you join them as we have seen are sought after by many airlines.BUT as a cadet you will be bonded for 15 yrs and made to pay back the WHOLE amount of your training which i heard these days can run up to about 250k.
On the other hand, since MAS pilots have decided to move to greener pastures where they are treated well and paid market rate(as opposed to grossly underpaid by 2 to 3 times and treated like scum) by the time you have enough hours for command you might make it in min time (bout 7 yrs) and by then you will know what i am talking about and be so fed up you will also leave for other airlines for the same reasons if not more(try not to sign the bond cos you'd be stuck here for 15yrs
)Finally if you are already in the system ...Welcome to the Malaysian Aviation School!!!!!!!!Bling Bling
Kaptin M,
In your experience here you should know by now \'penny wise pound foolish\' is THE way they work around here. Trust me, Percy was just the tip of the iceberg.
You must be one of the guys who has a hand in making us world class. Thanks for that.Maybe one day we will meet somewhere and can share penny wise pound foolish stories.
BTW have you heard that one of not putting toothpicks on the meal trays and also the one where we get 1 page on the roster instead of 2?
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MAS doesn't have to worry about crewing their fleet, the indon driver are ready for them as usual, there will be 10-20 co-pilots ready for B744 MAS in the next 2 months
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spedwoten,
Are there any indon 777 drivers???
worldliner
with regards wit the 380...god only knows.
with regards to the new aircraft...probably manned by the ones manning the 737's.
with regards to the cadet,...very dim...mite have to be a co pilot a long time...
will there be an overflow? Again only JC knows cos historically again mas has S**cked big time when it comes to planning anything.All managers and planners do not manage nor plan.the have no idea whats going on and dont know what each other is doing so will it fill the gap? Maybe but with less level of experience throughout the system.
Air asia was voted the best managed airline. MAS never will...not in the near future at least.
Are there any indon 777 drivers???
worldliner
with regards wit the 380...god only knows.
with regards to the new aircraft...probably manned by the ones manning the 737's.
with regards to the cadet,...very dim...mite have to be a co pilot a long time...
will there be an overflow? Again only JC knows cos historically again mas has S**cked big time when it comes to planning anything.All managers and planners do not manage nor plan.the have no idea whats going on and dont know what each other is doing so will it fill the gap? Maybe but with less level of experience throughout the system.
Air asia was voted the best managed airline. MAS never will...not in the near future at least.
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If there is going to be a overflow,dont worry! MAS will have some back up plan...You will still work in this Airline,
But maybe as a FLIGHT STEWARD,OFFICE BOY,TRAFFIC STAFF.
Remember..............
DONT BLAME ME.BLAME YOUR FATHER...
But maybe as a FLIGHT STEWARD,OFFICE BOY,TRAFFIC STAFF.
Remember..............
DONT BLAME ME.BLAME YOUR FATHER...
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Hello,
Can anyone guess who's next in line to be MD of MAS?
?
?
?
Its d big guy from Flt Ops himself.
I don't know if I'm gonna cry, laugh or cry laughing.
How much more can this company screw up?
Can anyone guess who's next in line to be MD of MAS?
?
?
?
Its d big guy from Flt Ops himself.
I don't know if I'm gonna cry, laugh or cry laughing.
How much more can this company screw up?
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Indon 747 f/o's are coming....
It has been confirmed that 10 747 f/o's are going to MAS, and they doing the SIM cx beginning of next month. They will be contracted for a year . As for the biggest airlines in Indon suffer the same way as MAS right now, this month alone already more than 10 pilots (f/o's & capt's) leaving for other airlines.
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Moderate, Modest & Mild.
A very short-sighted, temporary, stop gap plug, in my opinion, hellboy...replacing experienced Captains with Indo F/Os (I heard you can buy ALL of your ATPL theory passes in Indonesia for USD200...is that true?)
I can see MAS becoming a "Case scenario example" within the very, very near future at the (downhill) rate they are now plunging headlong.
So sad
I can see MAS becoming a "Case scenario example" within the very, very near future at the (downhill) rate they are now plunging headlong.
So sad
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Hi All...
Got nothing against the boys from GA coming over. An opportunity has been created for them by the mismanagement of MAS (well at least Flt Ops). This has allowed them a chance to improve their lot, so why not. I wish them all the best.
As for the MAS folks going all over the place, good luck to you all, you have indeed made a good decision. Your family and you deserve better.
Best regards and safe flights always.
Got nothing against the boys from GA coming over. An opportunity has been created for them by the mismanagement of MAS (well at least Flt Ops). This has allowed them a chance to improve their lot, so why not. I wish them all the best.
As for the MAS folks going all over the place, good luck to you all, you have indeed made a good decision. Your family and you deserve better.
Best regards and safe flights always.
