SilkAir Selection
SilkAir Selection
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Selection process..... HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! ..... Have you got a pulse??!! ....Did you bring a pen????!!!
20+ guys have just left DISPITE (on face value only) an attractive package, and you're obtuse enough to enquire of selection criteria? This is a company totally devoid of standards, desperate for bodies to occupy any seat, and fully prepared to screw you when they choose..... selection process???....... HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
......... oh.... sorry, were you being serious?
20+ guys have just left DISPITE (on face value only) an attractive package, and you're obtuse enough to enquire of selection criteria? This is a company totally devoid of standards, desperate for bodies to occupy any seat, and fully prepared to screw you when they choose..... selection process???....... HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
......... oh.... sorry, were you being serious?
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Obviously, I am not informed about the situation. I saw the add on Flight International, and I was inquiring a bit further. As you said, the package looks attractive enough...
I am sorry that you have found my post "obtuse" , since lack of information is my only shortcoming. I hope that, being better informed that I am, you could enlighten me further on this subject.
And yes, I am being serious...
I am sorry that you have found my post "obtuse" , since lack of information is my only shortcoming. I hope that, being better informed that I am, you could enlighten me further on this subject.
And yes, I am being serious...
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I think that gyro really meant that he thought your post utterly naïve and displayed ignorance of the industry in general and SIA/Silk Air in particular – a view supported by your own admission, “I am not informed about the situation”.
Just take a good look at any of the recent SIA/Silk Air posts in the Far East Section and you will gain a very accurate picture of both companies’ ethos and, unless you are completely “obtuse”, you will then quietly walk away from the idea of ever taking up employment with either of them.
I think that gyro really meant that he thought your post utterly naïve and displayed ignorance of the industry in general and SIA/Silk Air in particular – a view supported by your own admission, “I am not informed about the situation”.
Just take a good look at any of the recent SIA/Silk Air posts in the Far East Section and you will gain a very accurate picture of both companies’ ethos and, unless you are completely “obtuse”, you will then quietly walk away from the idea of ever taking up employment with either of them.
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Gyro and Highcirrus,
Nice attitude - this is an information forum, right? Last time I checked it was... Let me guess, you are just bitter a$$holes. We all know the terms and conditions in the Southeast Asia region $***, but we are still interested in the specifics for comparative purposes.
You guys are jokes. How about providing accurate information or NOT responding at all... Don't waste our time with your ridiculous, condescending attitudes.
Nice attitude - this is an information forum, right? Last time I checked it was... Let me guess, you are just bitter a$$holes. We all know the terms and conditions in the Southeast Asia region $***, but we are still interested in the specifics for comparative purposes.
You guys are jokes. How about providing accurate information or NOT responding at all... Don't waste our time with your ridiculous, condescending attitudes.
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I doubt if anyone in the SQ Empire of Mainline, Cargo, Silk Air or soon to be Tiger would advise coming to join.
You say we all know the terms and conditions in the South East Asis region so what more "specifics" exactly are you after?
I would suggest that Gyro and High Cirrus are telling it how it is, Yes maybe from "bitter" experience.
I do not even think the Silk Air Package looks "attractive" on paper and certainly is not in reality but if you want to try it then come and join.
These jobs are designed to attract those from Third World countries where the Singapore Dollar still buys you something back home and where financial aspirations are less.
I doubt if anyone in the SQ Empire of Mainline, Cargo, Silk Air or soon to be Tiger would advise coming to join.
You say we all know the terms and conditions in the South East Asis region so what more "specifics" exactly are you after?
I would suggest that Gyro and High Cirrus are telling it how it is, Yes maybe from "bitter" experience.
I do not even think the Silk Air Package looks "attractive" on paper and certainly is not in reality but if you want to try it then come and join.
These jobs are designed to attract those from Third World countries where the Singapore Dollar still buys you something back home and where financial aspirations are less.
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Mig Bird, my post was not intended to be personally offensive to you. If being “obtuse” is your only character flaw, I wouldn’t be too hard on myself if I was you. I notice you have posted on the other SilkAir thread that’s currently running, so you are well aware of the sentiments being expressed regarding MI. Starting another thread with substantially the same questions is hardly likely to attract the more favorable views you obviously seek.
My post may have been a little too frivolous for your tastes, but the key part of it you seem to have overlooked. Why would a significant number of the existing pilots leave when the pay is made to sound so good? Even more would like too leave, but being Singaporeans, for them, it IS the only game in town. The fundamental thrust of all detractors to your enquiries, is the conditions ie environment, that come as the price YOU pay for choosing to work there.
I was not joking about having a pulse and a pen as being favourable attributes…. If you have a rating and are currently looking for employment, you will find their response to your application unsettlingly eager. They are very short of drivers, and with other, better paying jobs around, are having difficulty attracting and holding experienced crews. It’s your decision, your career. If you take the job, reread my first post in 12 months time, the sentiment will be better understood. Good luck to you which ever way…
LVL CHG…. MAATEE…. “bitter a$$holes, $***,You guys are jokes, Don't waste our time with your ridiculous, condescending attitudes”
Was I drinking with you last night????? Let me check the bottom of my shoes….. close resemblance, but don’t think it’s you! Is yours an example of the type of “information” expected on this forum? ( Sorry to mention a small point here, but my browser tells me it’s actually a RUMOUR network, not sure what yours says) If you already know the terms and conditions in SE Asia, why have you taken such purile distain at people reinforcing your own views???
Time wasting maybe my extravagance, oxygen appears to be yours.
My post may have been a little too frivolous for your tastes, but the key part of it you seem to have overlooked. Why would a significant number of the existing pilots leave when the pay is made to sound so good? Even more would like too leave, but being Singaporeans, for them, it IS the only game in town. The fundamental thrust of all detractors to your enquiries, is the conditions ie environment, that come as the price YOU pay for choosing to work there.
I was not joking about having a pulse and a pen as being favourable attributes…. If you have a rating and are currently looking for employment, you will find their response to your application unsettlingly eager. They are very short of drivers, and with other, better paying jobs around, are having difficulty attracting and holding experienced crews. It’s your decision, your career. If you take the job, reread my first post in 12 months time, the sentiment will be better understood. Good luck to you which ever way…
LVL CHG…. MAATEE…. “bitter a$$holes, $***,You guys are jokes, Don't waste our time with your ridiculous, condescending attitudes”
Was I drinking with you last night????? Let me check the bottom of my shoes….. close resemblance, but don’t think it’s you! Is yours an example of the type of “information” expected on this forum? ( Sorry to mention a small point here, but my browser tells me it’s actually a RUMOUR network, not sure what yours says) If you already know the terms and conditions in SE Asia, why have you taken such purile distain at people reinforcing your own views???
Time wasting maybe my extravagance, oxygen appears to be yours.
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Interesting (and amusing) to see that the principle of shoot the messenger is still alive and well and living on planet Pprune.
Do your words “how about providing accurate information or NOT responding at all” imply that you wish only to hear fantasy information which bolsters your own preconceived ideas?
If you had been paying attention over the past few months, you would have figured out that my own information and that of others, posted here in the Far East Section, has been both factual and accurate and precisely reflects the situation for employees with both SIA and Silk Air.
However, as you obviously know far better than us “guys (who) are jokes” (and actually currently work for either company), perhaps you could advise on the real situation (as you see it from the outside?) so we can all make far more informed future career choices than hitherto.
Interesting (and amusing) to see that the principle of shoot the messenger is still alive and well and living on planet Pprune.
Do your words “how about providing accurate information or NOT responding at all” imply that you wish only to hear fantasy information which bolsters your own preconceived ideas?
If you had been paying attention over the past few months, you would have figured out that my own information and that of others, posted here in the Far East Section, has been both factual and accurate and precisely reflects the situation for employees with both SIA and Silk Air.
However, as you obviously know far better than us “guys (who) are jokes” (and actually currently work for either company), perhaps you could advise on the real situation (as you see it from the outside?) so we can all make far more informed future career choices than hitherto.
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Thanks to all of you guys for giving me a better outlook on the SQ and SilkAir situation.
My post was not intended to create a new debate line, cause I have already read the other "Far East" threads. However, I can see, by your responses, the level of animosity that the whole SQ situation has generated.
My question was straightforward, and my only intention was to know a bit better about the selection process (and only that).
I have worked for companies that abuse their pilot's patience and violate the contracts. This seems to be the norm these days
. I have seen these debates happening over and over, and sometimes I wonder if this is not exactly what the companies want, meaning, everyone fighting against everyone, so they can fill their pockets. Voodoo economics...
I really thank all of you for taking the time to follow the thread. By any chance, any of you knows a little better about the selection process
My post was not intended to create a new debate line, cause I have already read the other "Far East" threads. However, I can see, by your responses, the level of animosity that the whole SQ situation has generated.
My question was straightforward, and my only intention was to know a bit better about the selection process (and only that).
I have worked for companies that abuse their pilot's patience and violate the contracts. This seems to be the norm these days
. I have seen these debates happening over and over, and sometimes I wonder if this is not exactly what the companies want, meaning, everyone fighting against everyone, so they can fill their pockets. Voodoo economics...I really thank all of you for taking the time to follow the thread. By any chance, any of you knows a little better about the selection process
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The most important point to remember when considering to join Silkair or SQ is that you not just working for the airline, you are part of Singapore Inc. The contact terms can be change quite easily as the political wind changes. Its not just a job its an adventure!
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There is no selection process - if you want the job, can speak any form of english and have flown for airlines, the job is yours!
Enough said!
They will make promises but these WILL NOT be kept. Don't say you weren't warned.
Enough said!
They will make promises but these WILL NOT be kept. Don't say you weren't warned.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Looking on the positive side tho', the salaries and conditions offered are highly unlikely to attract (and as a matter of fact, are driving away) anyone other than - in millerscourt's words,
. Thus the (miserable) salaries of THOSE people will now rise above that which they have been receiving.
OTOH, the degradation of the previous salaries has now put a "rocket" under the @sses of guys who have been sitting there for years - fat, dumb, and happy - and has spurred them into moving on to better paid positions.
Maybe we ALL owe Silk Air a big "Thank You (lah!!)" for helping to IMPROVE industry standards!!
These jobs are designed to attract those from Third World countries where the Singapore Dollar still buys you something back home and where financial aspirations are less.
OTOH, the degradation of the previous salaries has now put a "rocket" under the @sses of guys who have been sitting there for years - fat, dumb, and happy - and has spurred them into moving on to better paid positions.
Maybe we ALL owe Silk Air a big "Thank You (lah!!)" for helping to IMPROVE industry standards!!
