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Here are the information...
SILKAIR REQUIRES A320 CAPTAINS
SilkAir, a member of the SIA Group has vacancies for A320 Captains with the following qualifications:
1.Current ICAO ATPL
2.Total Experience: 5000 hours
With rating:
1500 hours airline PIC on a/c heavier than 20000kg (MTOW)
500 hours PIC on A 320 family a/c, with current rating
Without rating:
3000 hours airline PIC on a/c heavier than 20000kg (MTOW)
REMUNERATION & BENEFITS
- Total gross remuneration (before tax) will be in the range of S$150,000 per annum,excluding profit sharing bonus
- Free and discounted travel on SilkAir services
- Discounted travel on Singapore Airlines and other airlines
- Subsidised Medical Insurance Scheme for dependants
- Dental & Medical Care
- Loss of License coverage (applicable to those under 50 years of age)
EMPLOYMENT TERMS
Successful candidate will be offered long term employment on the terms and conditions as agreed with the Pilots Association. Those given conversion training are required to enter into a training bond for a period of up to 3years.
Please forward a detailed resume of your flying experience along with career history, educational qualifications, personal data about your self and family to :
[email protected]
You can also visit thier careers website, goto about SilkAir and look for SilkAir Careers link on your top right.
SilkAir website
Regards,
jubilee773
SILKAIR REQUIRES A320 CAPTAINS
SilkAir, a member of the SIA Group has vacancies for A320 Captains with the following qualifications:
1.Current ICAO ATPL
2.Total Experience: 5000 hours
With rating:
1500 hours airline PIC on a/c heavier than 20000kg (MTOW)
500 hours PIC on A 320 family a/c, with current rating
Without rating:
3000 hours airline PIC on a/c heavier than 20000kg (MTOW)
REMUNERATION & BENEFITS
- Total gross remuneration (before tax) will be in the range of S$150,000 per annum,excluding profit sharing bonus
- Free and discounted travel on SilkAir services
- Discounted travel on Singapore Airlines and other airlines
- Subsidised Medical Insurance Scheme for dependants
- Dental & Medical Care
- Loss of License coverage (applicable to those under 50 years of age)
EMPLOYMENT TERMS
Successful candidate will be offered long term employment on the terms and conditions as agreed with the Pilots Association. Those given conversion training are required to enter into a training bond for a period of up to 3years.
Please forward a detailed resume of your flying experience along with career history, educational qualifications, personal data about your self and family to :
[email protected]
You can also visit thier careers website, goto about SilkAir and look for SilkAir Careers link on your top right.
SilkAir website
Regards,
jubilee773
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The suggested total salary of $S 150000 pa less tax is a total lie so be warned. As for Profit Sharing then don't bank on it and you need to know that SQ will change your salary downwards at the first hint of any excuse. I bet the Asian Bird Flu is the next reason for large paycuts in the SQ Empire!!!!!
Also remember the Singapore Monetary Authority is encouraging the Singapore Dollar to devalue in order to keep competitive with other currencies in the region. Take that into consideration!!!
Also remember the Singapore Monetary Authority is encouraging the Singapore Dollar to devalue in order to keep competitive with other currencies in the region. Take that into consideration!!!
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millerscourt,
Is it correct that they do not provide accomodation? Nothing mentioned in the conditions blurb. What about schooling, do they give you nothing for that too? I have two to put through primary school.
Do tell! Is this the same deal as the present guys are on, or is it another B (C?) scale?
If the answer is no to both of the above I shall be turning down the invitation.
Is it correct that they do not provide accomodation? Nothing mentioned in the conditions blurb. What about schooling, do they give you nothing for that too? I have two to put through primary school.
Do tell! Is this the same deal as the present guys are on, or is it another B (C?) scale?
If the answer is no to both of the above I shall be turning down the invitation.
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Ivan Urge
What you see is (almost) what you get – so no accommodation and no schooling.
As for Remuneration & Benefits
- Total gross remuneration (before tax) will be in the range of S$150,000 per annum,excluding profit sharing bonus – Given that basic gross is S$7050 x 13 = 91,650, then for the salary to be in the range of S$150,000 pa there would have to be an extra S$58,350 earned pa, which equates to S$5,305 per month (11 months flying 1 month leave). Bit of a trick even for SIA guys on the B744, so it looks like there’s a certain amount of copywriter’s licence here (to say the least!).
- Free and discounted travel on SilkAir services – very limited I’m afraid. Press them for exact details.
- Discounted travel on Singapore Airlines and other airlines – see above.
- Subsidised Medical Insurance Scheme for dependants – minimal medical benefits no dental benefits (I know from long experience). Again ask for precise details.
- Dental & Medical Care – Only for yourself, not for wife and kids.
- Loss of License coverage (applicable to those under 50 years of age). Any benefit should just about pay your tax bill before you’re booted out of Singapore following a licence hiccup.
Approach with extreme caution and skepticism Ivan!
What you see is (almost) what you get – so no accommodation and no schooling.
As for Remuneration & Benefits
- Total gross remuneration (before tax) will be in the range of S$150,000 per annum,excluding profit sharing bonus – Given that basic gross is S$7050 x 13 = 91,650, then for the salary to be in the range of S$150,000 pa there would have to be an extra S$58,350 earned pa, which equates to S$5,305 per month (11 months flying 1 month leave). Bit of a trick even for SIA guys on the B744, so it looks like there’s a certain amount of copywriter’s licence here (to say the least!).
- Free and discounted travel on SilkAir services – very limited I’m afraid. Press them for exact details.
- Discounted travel on Singapore Airlines and other airlines – see above.
- Subsidised Medical Insurance Scheme for dependants – minimal medical benefits no dental benefits (I know from long experience). Again ask for precise details.
- Dental & Medical Care – Only for yourself, not for wife and kids.
- Loss of License coverage (applicable to those under 50 years of age). Any benefit should just about pay your tax bill before you’re booted out of Singapore following a licence hiccup.
Approach with extreme caution and skepticism Ivan!
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beer talk?
just heard from an ex-management guy at SQ, Silkair may be in for the axe if Tiger takes off and rings the cash register.
it is no secret that silkair will be the hardest hit if there is a street brawl between the LCC. so the scenario is that some minion in the govt. will proclaim the death of silkair and all will be absorbed into Tiger, by the merciful temasek holdings of course.
ah yes, at Tiger's pay and benefits!! naturally.
beware, gents beware.
it is no secret that silkair will be the hardest hit if there is a street brawl between the LCC. so the scenario is that some minion in the govt. will proclaim the death of silkair and all will be absorbed into Tiger, by the merciful temasek holdings of course.
ah yes, at Tiger's pay and benefits!! naturally.
beware, gents beware.
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My limited forays to Singapore indicated that expatriate accomodation and schooling are generally borne by the employer, due to the prohibitive costs, however Singaporeans have access to subsidised housing and quite good a good education system at very little cost.
Is there a possibility that somebody might post the salaries and conditions for expatriate pilots, please?
Whilst the terms posted by jubilee773 may be reasonable for local pilots, not all of us wish to join on local terms.
Thank you in advance.
Is there a possibility that somebody might post the salaries and conditions for expatriate pilots, please?
Whilst the terms posted by jubilee773 may be reasonable for local pilots, not all of us wish to join on local terms.
Thank you in advance.
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Hey guys, you just don’t get it yet do you? Let me spell it out! That’s the Silk Air offer jubilee773 detailed (verbatim from the Silk Air web site), no accommodation and no schooling, take it or leave it. SIA/Silk Air are trying to get people along on local terms (part of the new cost saving measures). If ex-pats are dumb enough to come along on those terms, who are SIA/Silk Air to dissuade them? If ex-pats are smart enough not to bother, then market forces will have prevailed and SIA/Silk Air will have to up the ante to get the people along.
As DPM Lee has recently mentioned, there's no rocket science involved.
As DPM Lee has recently mentioned, there's no rocket science involved.
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Foreign Worker So you say that not all ex-pats want to join Silk Air on Local Terms!!
Well laddie you have a lot to learn as to how SQ see things these days. Your naivety in these matters amazes me.
You will join as High Cirrus states on the terms as already described elsewhere. Take it or Leave it!!
As others have said if Tiger Airways gets off the ground it will be at the expense of Silk Air so expect Silk Air to be terminated at short notice and all Employees trasferred to Tiger at the even lower Tiger Salaries.
In this part of the world Low Cost Airlines means Low Fares AND Low Salaries
Well laddie you have a lot to learn as to how SQ see things these days. Your naivety in these matters amazes me.
You will join as High Cirrus states on the terms as already described elsewhere. Take it or Leave it!!
As others have said if Tiger Airways gets off the ground it will be at the expense of Silk Air so expect Silk Air to be terminated at short notice and all Employees trasferred to Tiger at the even lower Tiger Salaries.
In this part of the world Low Cost Airlines means Low Fares AND Low Salaries
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Hi cirrus,
So according to you, dumb is accepting a job flying an Airbus instead of working at burger king and smart is flipping burgers because no one else is offering you a job.
Interesting logic.
So according to you, dumb is accepting a job flying an Airbus instead of working at burger king and smart is flipping burgers because no one else is offering you a job.
Interesting logic.
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I know that it might be hard for you to accept but even on the stripped down packages that SIA/Silk Air are currently trying out on the market, they still want current, heavy jet experienced pilots and not burger flippers.
But please, by all means give them a try. I’m certainly not denigrating the aspirations of my fellow professionals – merely trying to safeguard them from naive and ill-advised commitment to rapacious and ruthless companies.
I know that it might be hard for you to accept but even on the stripped down packages that SIA/Silk Air are currently trying out on the market, they still want current, heavy jet experienced pilots and not burger flippers.
But please, by all means give them a try. I’m certainly not denigrating the aspirations of my fellow professionals – merely trying to safeguard them from naive and ill-advised commitment to rapacious and ruthless companies.
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Or maybe, just maybe, highcirrus is trying to get as little competition as possible for himself as he scares off others applying for the position he is applying for. Like I say, just maybe. To all, dont take potential ficticious rumours to heart. Apply, sit the interviews and make up your own minds about this.
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topman999 If you have viewed the Far East Forum over the years you would know that highcirrus is in SQ Mainline from the information he has posted which I can personally vouch as being 100% accurate.
Their will be no competition to join Silk Air. These jobs are designed to appeal to those from Third World countries with Third World prices and currencies even worse than the declining Singapore Dollar!!
Their will be no competition to join Silk Air. These jobs are designed to appeal to those from Third World countries with Third World prices and currencies even worse than the declining Singapore Dollar!!
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"Their will be no competition to join Silk Air"....Please ! No unemployed western A320 pilots out there wanting a job in singapore ??? I doubt that somehow. Like I say, let the people head out there for interview etc and let them decide.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
So according to you, dumb is accepting a job flying an Airbus instead of working at burger king and smart is flipping burgers because no one else is offering you a job.
After paying rent, school fees, water, electricity, etc, I doubt that you`ll be able to afford even a Burger King in Singapore, on that pathetic package, Oicur.
Then again you might elect/need to undertake an epicural transformation, and eat laksa and noodles at the local wet market - EVERY day lah!
After paying rent, school fees, water, electricity, etc, I doubt that you`ll be able to afford even a Burger King in Singapore, on that pathetic package, Oicur.
Then again you might elect/need to undertake an epicural transformation, and eat laksa and noodles at the local wet market - EVERY day lah!
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Year ago, when I was in Gulf Air, quite a few lads from Indian Airlines came to join and most were very good pilots who had given themselves a quantam leap as far as salary and life style was concerned. The package at GF was infinitely better than the one Silk Air is offering but there may just be some guys from lower paid operators who would find the terms and conditions attractive enough to move, not many but there are always some!
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Re: “there may just be some guys from lower paid operators who would find the terms and conditions attractive enough to move, not many but there are always some!”
That is quite correct. Unfortunately, the guys in this sector who might be interested in SIA/Silk Air are making the very grave error of imagining that the spending power generated in their own countries by the Singapore Dollar packages on offer would be similarly generated in Singapore. This is not the case and doubly so for a pilot with a family. It is difficult to imagine how he/she would financially survive in Singapore in these circumstances. But then, of course, Singapore would much prefer the single ex-pat as he/she is much cheaper to employ.
topman999
Re: "Their will be no competition to join Silk Air"....Please! No unemployed western A320 pilots out there wanting a job in Singapore ??? I doubt that somehow. Like I say, let the people head out there for interview etc and let them decide.
I’m not too sure that there are that many “unemployed western A320 pilots” at the moment. The ones who are around will be looking for positions in western carriers rather than considering bringing the family down here for a derisory pittance, paid in a steadily declining Singapore Dollar and having to make ever more expensive monthly mortgage remittances back to the home country plus educate his/her children solely from the resource of the offered package. The only “competition” will be from muddle-headed people who don’t do their financial homework and come to realize the serious position they could end up putting themselves and their families in.
Those of us who have been here for some time (and are still bonded here for the immediate future, prior to our escape) know that SIA/Silk Air do not give a damn about the individual – they are just part of the headcount, to be paid the absolute minimum possible in knowledge of the local cost of living (see comments of Kaptin M above) and to be discarded as soon as they outlive their usefulness (and we’re talking locals here, as well as ex-pats). However, if you’re the guy who knows differently, go ahead and make their day! If you meet their qualifications, get your application in, nobody’s stopping you (though if you are A320 qualified, you’d be much better off applying to Dragonair)!
Re: “there may just be some guys from lower paid operators who would find the terms and conditions attractive enough to move, not many but there are always some!”
That is quite correct. Unfortunately, the guys in this sector who might be interested in SIA/Silk Air are making the very grave error of imagining that the spending power generated in their own countries by the Singapore Dollar packages on offer would be similarly generated in Singapore. This is not the case and doubly so for a pilot with a family. It is difficult to imagine how he/she would financially survive in Singapore in these circumstances. But then, of course, Singapore would much prefer the single ex-pat as he/she is much cheaper to employ.
topman999
Re: "Their will be no competition to join Silk Air"....Please! No unemployed western A320 pilots out there wanting a job in Singapore ??? I doubt that somehow. Like I say, let the people head out there for interview etc and let them decide.
I’m not too sure that there are that many “unemployed western A320 pilots” at the moment. The ones who are around will be looking for positions in western carriers rather than considering bringing the family down here for a derisory pittance, paid in a steadily declining Singapore Dollar and having to make ever more expensive monthly mortgage remittances back to the home country plus educate his/her children solely from the resource of the offered package. The only “competition” will be from muddle-headed people who don’t do their financial homework and come to realize the serious position they could end up putting themselves and their families in.
Those of us who have been here for some time (and are still bonded here for the immediate future, prior to our escape) know that SIA/Silk Air do not give a damn about the individual – they are just part of the headcount, to be paid the absolute minimum possible in knowledge of the local cost of living (see comments of Kaptin M above) and to be discarded as soon as they outlive their usefulness (and we’re talking locals here, as well as ex-pats). However, if you’re the guy who knows differently, go ahead and make their day! If you meet their qualifications, get your application in, nobody’s stopping you (though if you are A320 qualified, you’d be much better off applying to Dragonair)!
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Let me make it simple for you doubters. SilkAir is presently in the process of losing about a quarter of its pilot strength, including the following:
1 Management pilot, 2 Instructors, 2 Line Instructors, several Captains, many First Officers (including all of the Australians)
Of those who stay, many are staying simply because of the bonding arrangement.
All housing allowances have been removed, same for the education allowances. In a bid to stem the flow the hourly pay has been raised but not the basic pay so if you don't fly then you get paid peanuts.
The management has a tendency during negotiations to include Bonuses (not guaranteed - dependant on company performance) etc in the calculation so this is where the figure of $150,000 comes from.
Did they mention the 4 weeks leave? You will only get 2 days off together per fortnight, the other 2 days being single days, usually a buffer between 2 duties to satisfy the FTL.
By all means, go and try it out. Good luck trying to save any money.
1 Management pilot, 2 Instructors, 2 Line Instructors, several Captains, many First Officers (including all of the Australians)
Of those who stay, many are staying simply because of the bonding arrangement.
All housing allowances have been removed, same for the education allowances. In a bid to stem the flow the hourly pay has been raised but not the basic pay so if you don't fly then you get paid peanuts.
The management has a tendency during negotiations to include Bonuses (not guaranteed - dependant on company performance) etc in the calculation so this is where the figure of $150,000 comes from.
Did they mention the 4 weeks leave? You will only get 2 days off together per fortnight, the other 2 days being single days, usually a buffer between 2 duties to satisfy the FTL.
By all means, go and try it out. Good luck trying to save any money.