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Old 25th Jan 2004, 18:48
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F'Nell sorry to rain on your parade but no F/Os required in China. They have too many of them already and need expats because they do not have enough F/Os with sufficient experience to upgrade. They put as many observer F/Os in the cockpit as possible on each flight. If Boeing had installed ten jumpseats there would be twelve in the cockpit!!! Good luck with your quest elsewhere. Try China Airlines.
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Old 26th Jan 2004, 04:45
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I have received a call from an agency some days ago.

They stated a contract on the mainland China for B737-NG and EIFIS as well.They are looking for dual-rated pilots,Capts and F/Os.
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Old 26th Jan 2004, 06:54
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Ivan Urge is incorrect and Deske is closer to the truth!

I know one airline is planning to recruit non-national F/O's - a friend has the application form in hand! Seems expansion of aviation in China has/will grow beyond expectations..........
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Old 26th Jan 2004, 11:20
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Experienced FOs

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Some truth in what you're saying. HNA was approached by another carrier in China to supply Experienced FOs. This is quite amazing considering we carry a cockpit full of Pilots plus occasionally an extra in the cabin! And as Urge points out all the Airlines here do. Problem 2 or 3 of the Pilots with you are trainee's and cannot occupy an operational position (Observers only)
Things are moving but it won't happen overnight.

Jim

Appreciate your posts, positive and informative! Guys like you make this forum worth it. Keep it up!

Taipei & Khaoshung are very different to Haikou or Shenzhen.
The cultural change to a place like Haikou is extreme. Practically no English, no English signs and no particular landmarks. Just to meet somebody downtown is nearly impossible unless you speak some mandarin. No Hard Rock Cafes or Hotels with English signs to get a reference off.
Slowly the roads are getting Pin Yin signs.(for the people living outside our region:Pin Yin - Romanised version of Chinese, Otherwise Characters only) This is a huge change.
If you're an outdoor sort of person, enjoy tennis, golf and cycling then Haikou is pretty good. If you like evening strolls with quiet streets then look for a contract in Hawaii.
But clear air, caring people and very laid back make it all worth it.
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Old 26th Jan 2004, 14:55
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On the first part, I am not sure why some get their thrills on beating up on each other. It's fine to have differences of opinion. All people of the world view things a little differently of course. One man's trash is another man's treasure.

On the China (mainland China) experience, I think I can relate. I've had many more PVG and PEK layovers than the Taiwan guys for obvious reasons. From the US, I flew to both of those cities direct and enjoyed the time there,but you are right about English and the things there are to do. Mainland China is night and day compared to Taiwan in living conditions, temperature, people's acceptance, etc. Taiwan has a zillion motor scooters and cars where mainland China is more bicycles. PVG/Shanghai is growing fast and the new airport is poised for growth.

Down in your island, I presume you are more in a tourist (?) area and more beaches and warmer temperatures. I would think somewhat like Hong Kong and the islands surrounding HKG. I've walked most of those and you would have to find plenty to do to keep you occupied. There are no MacDonald's, 7/11s, and Irish pubs! But walks and hikes around the islands were enjoyable ending at a seafood market and good brew.

Who knows? Someday Taiwan and the mainland will start flying nonstop direct.
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Old 26th Jan 2004, 20:42
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Smile Culture Shock

Right again Jim

Actually Shanghai (PVG-Pudong) and PEK are like western cities compared to places like Haikou but definately you get the idea as far as the Mainland compares to Taiwan.

They're pretty soft on foreigners in Haikou which makes it a pleasant place to live. Haikou is still business, Sanya is the Tourist haven. Yalong Bay in the South East is beautiful (But 2-3 hours drive from Haikou)

The only problem is some foreigners lose control of themselves here.
You get to hear some pretty spectacular stories which are incriminating, so I'll save them for a fireside chat, a good red and lots of laughs. Not for a public forum.
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Old 26th Jan 2004, 21:48
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Magnus, your information may be 'reliable' but consider this;

There are umpteen million Chinese, with the infrastucture to train umpteeen thousands of pilots in countries like Australia and the U.S. and all they require is the bare minimum to sit in and eventually manipulate from the right seat of a 737.

If an agency has told you you have a chance at the right seat, good luck but agencies are like pond life; they have low collective IQ, live in an environment of slime and are liable to get flushed out by the big fish in the next pond.
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Old 28th Jan 2004, 07:04
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I just up graded to B737 EFIS Capt. got 400 hrs in left hand seat now, was F/O on B744, do I have the chance to apply and how.

many thank's
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Old 28th Jan 2004, 20:33
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Requirements

500 PIC B737 is what you need.
Apply to one of the agencies.

But you'll be walking away from your permanent job.

Weigh it up Cash without a guaranteed future against Job security and promotion.
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Old 28th Jan 2004, 20:59
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Le Pilot check your PM pls.
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Old 30th Jan 2004, 02:08
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Hi,

received application form for an airline in the mainland China.

For B737-NG and B737-efis F/O,dual rated usd 3000,everything included.

Honestly,it is lower than my present salary at my current employer,same aircraft in east europe
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Old 1st Feb 2004, 21:30
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Talking FOs Reqd

Ivan

The FOs are for your airline.
Agency is based in Shenzhen too.
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Le Pilot, please check your PMs thanks!
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Old 4th Mar 2004, 00:10
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Pleeeeaseee!

Shenzhen interview 2 weeks later.

Any info would be appretiated about the company and about the lifestyle with usd3000 in that region,housing is not included.
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dear all

so do those Cie need f/o?

what would the requirements be and origins of licence?

many thanks...special to le pilote!
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Old 4th Mar 2004, 10:10
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Yes they need FO's as well.
A few agencies in on this gig
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US$3000 is a lot of money in China. As I've said many times, to live in mainland China is cheap.
US$500/month is enough to eat out daily, Beers in the evening, enjoy all the latest movies on DVD and catch taxis all over town. Only imported wine and cars are expensive.
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Its all changing here rapidly- you didnt hear me say for the better. Many new hire captains have been to told to sit in the right seat, on right seat money, until??? FOs are being sought after, to the surprise of many. The much feared sim check has now changed and recently many captains have 'passed' (but see my second sentence). Sim is half done raw data with steep turns, 2 eng ILS with a G/A then an engine failure and fire around V2 followed by a min weather engine out ILS to land. No big formal interview as such- it all hinges on the sim and medical. Medicals a bit of a problem. Too much blood found in the alcohol of many, so candidates are asked not to drink for 5 days prior, nor during their stay here. Believe me you will feel like a drink pretty soon after you arrive. You will need a week to do it all. USD3000 with paying for yr accom is not enough for an F/O. You need to have yr accom paid for on top of that. Getting the NG rating also a bit of a problem. Come here with a VERY open mind and single. C.R.M. is simply a group of three non-consecutive letters in the alphabet with fullstops between them. It's not for families on that salary. LP is right if you want to drink/eat at local restaurants, but you can only do that so many times and when you crave for some Western culture/cuisine/company, be prepared to pay.

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Old 4th Mar 2004, 17:08
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So the terms and conditions are the following for Shenzhen F/O:

I am rated on the NG as well on the EFIS.

Please advise me,what can I expect?
For example,what kind of accomodation can be found?
Can I achieve any savings at the end?
How Shenzhen treats expats and is there any value of the "given word?"


Minimum Requirements
These Terms are subject to the final agreement by the Client Airline and although we
endeavour to keep you updated on all changes it is recommended that all interested pilots
request updates periodically.
1 Cockpit crew BB737 NG/EFIS First Officers
2 First Officers
Minimum flight time
Ideally a minimum of 3000 hours total flying time.
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deally a minimum of 1000 hours on type.
3 Cockpit Crew
Minimum
qualifications
First Officers must hold a current and valid JAA or
ICAO CPL/ATPL.
A current B737NG & EFIS type rating – Candidates
who currently only possess an EFIS rating will be
considered provided that the candidate will pay for
the cost of the NG rating.
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deally completed a Proficiency Check (OPC) and
medical within 6 months of the start of the contract.
Last flight ideally within 6 months.
No history of accidents or incidents.
B737NG/EFIS First Officers – Conditions for contracted period.
1 Accommodation and Living
Expenses
Accommodation and living expenses allowance of
$1000 per month will be paid. Direct Personnel
will assist candidates in locating suitable
international standard accommodation.
2 Base of operation Asia.
3 Duration 3 year contract, reviewed annually.
4
Transportation Ground transportation shall be provided by the
airline.
5 Days Off Minimum 8 days off per month, some of which will
be consecutive.
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Annual Leave 4 weeks leave per annum.
7 Medical Insurance
Access to client airline medical facilities on similar
conditions to equivalent personnel.
8 Flight Crew Insurance
Crew Members will be provided with Personnel
Accident & Emergency Medical insurance by DPI.
Loss of licence insurance is also provided.
9 Monthly Fee Based on 80
Block Hours
B737 First Officers
USD 2,000 net of income tax.
The monthly fee is paid into the bank account of
your choice.
10 Probation Period A probation period of one month will apply. The
monthly fee for the probation period shall be 50%
of the standard monthly fee.
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Old 4th Mar 2004, 18:41
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Deske, can't imagine why if you have a job in Europe you would consider it. Don't imagine for a moment you would get an upgrade here. It's way to early for them to even think about such a concept.

Expect the unexpected. Accom cheap at USD300-500 a month but not much of it up to western standards. Save? How much of what's left of $3000, after you have paid for food, beer, girls and a pad could possibly be called savings. The answer to the last question is better left off Pprune.
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Thumbs up Ivan Urge

Been there last few weeks for successful assessment. Starting as F/O, but upgrade within six months. Looked at a few apartments that cost $200 pcm for decent place of good standard, utilities extra, guess around $50 per month. Yes, salary not the best, but cost of living so so low! Looking forward to it, nice people - agency on the ground looking after us, well prepared. Good flyers needed and we were made to feel very welcome and part of an exciting airline.
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