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Hi slayerdude,
Thanks just trying to do my part. It is a sad case for Samuel and our condolences to him and family. I do not know him and also have no idea on the investigation outcome. However as there are no flight recorder nor voice, it is really hard to judge what actually happened. My only suggestion is to fly safe and always be prepared for the worst case scenarios and make sure as a pilot you have the foresight and skill to overcome it. |
selamat hari raya
hi there everyone,
thanks for the warm welcome to this forum, never really participated in pprune till i saw this thread..i too wanna help our fellow singaporeans.. basically started out on the caravan, which in my opinion was a good first job great experience, lots of manual flying..met lots of people from diff. walks of life, flew into some short funky strips..had e chance to stay in a mining camp.. cut the story short, few years down e road, got the chance to move on to the avanti. i still yearn to get a jet job asap as age is catching up..its frustrating at times, seeing lots of my friends from overseas get employed by their local carriers. overmars:- your advice has been well noted..cheers 9M:- yup will mail you after my hari raya celebrations... keep this thread going guys! cheers sq906 |
Thanks sq906 that is an interesting career path you have there. Would be nice to have you join us and share your experiences. Anyway Salamat Hari Raya to all Celebrating !~ Take care for now.
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Hi 9M-
Great to see that you have started a thread for aspiring pilots like me. I didn't make it for Jetstar LCC but am now trying out for Tiger LCC. Cheers, Mark |
yup tiger airways is now recruiting cadet pilots thru the st aerospace academy website.
good luck macarto. btw in your opinion, which is better, the tiger airways cadetship or jetstar asia's? |
SQ got banned? Is it a permanent banned from the forum?
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Macarto - Good luck ok. Let me know if you need any help.
FurtherMathematics - If i am not wrong Tiger Airways cadet scheme is using the MPL program whereas Jetstar uses the traditional Program. In terms of which is better, it really depends, but in my opinion, which ever gives you a job at the end is the best one :ok: |
hey guys, how is the industry looking now for recruitment?
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@furthermathematics both opportunities are equally good! We don't really have a say when it comes to choices here in Singapore don't we? =)
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dl_88,
I believe the industry have slowed down as you might already have heard through SQ voluntary scheme for the pilots. However i am sure the market will pick up maybe next year onwards. It is always a supply and demand equation. Anymore aspiring pilots out there? This thread is set up for you so please come and voice out so we can all learn. :ok: |
Yeah i have heard about the slowdown. Hoping that it would get better before i get back.
The supply & demand equation is always there, but the main question, does the supply actually meets the requirement of the demand. I don't know if this is the trend that we will be seeing in the future. That holding a PPL is the most advantageous. In Aus at the moment, Virgin Australia has just closed applications for cadetship (ATR 72 with Sky west) and ONLY PPL holders & below need apply. |
Hi guys, I'm not sure if this is true but CAE Oxford Aviation Academy has cadets that went on to Air Asia Indonesia & Qatar. CAE Academy host many foreign cadets and they have a pilot provisioning programme for their cadets, not sure if it is a good avenue and opportunity for aspiring pilots?
Would definitely love to hear EX CAE cadets share their experience. |
@macarto, wouldn't the cadets first need to meet the residency requirements of the airlines? at least that would be first on the req list or so i think.:confused:
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rotatemuppet, your use of muppet leads me to think that you're probably from the UK, so the question is, what relevance do you have in this thread for Singaporeans?
If you're Singaporean, then disregard. Your constant need to resort to namecalling also suggests a certain level of immaturity. Then again this forum is full of it. Pilots are a bitchy bunch. You might think you're some insider with friends in all those airlines, but remember this (and deny it all you want. i don't care. this is the internet): you and your jolly bunch PAID for your seat. Mushrooms are kept in the dark and fed sh*t. And about SusiAir, I say this: PIC has the final go/no-go say. Is the wannabe the PIC? So keep telling me I'm spouting rubbish. The death toll is the only proof I need to back up what I've said. Missionitis is a contagious. I have nothing further to add other than my "caveat emptor". |
Nextant Sells 10 Airplanes in Asia
Nextant Aerospace has landed a bulk order from Asia Pacific Jets of Singapore for 10 of its Nextant 400XT bizjets, a remanufactured version of the Beechjet 400. Nextant said it will deliver the airplanes over a period of three years, with some outfitted as air ambulances and others as VIP transports. Asia Pacific Jets also will serve as a sales agent in Asia for the 400XT, and has announced a partnership with Hong Kong-based AirMed Asia, a subsidiary of AirMed International, for the sale of medevac-configured jets. The first two 400XTs will reach Singapore by the end of the year, a timeframe that is aligned with the opening of a new Singapore base Asia Pacific Jets and AirMed Asia are launching. As part of their agreement, AirMed Asia will handle maintenance and warranty support for Nextant Aerospace in the region. To create the FAA-certified 400XT, Nextant starts with a Beechjet 400A/XP airframe and adds new Williams FJ44-3AP turbofan engines, Rockwell Collins Pro Line 21 integrated avionics, improved cabin electronics including high-speed wireless Internet service, and completely rebuilt interiors. The resulting aircraft has a 2,005 nautical mile range, cruise speed of 460 knots and a price of around $4 million. Nextant Sells 10 Airplanes in Asia | Flying Magazine |
Hi All,
I am back. Sorry for the hiatus. Mods banned me temporarily because of my apparently "racist" postings. So what's the latest news on the block :cool: |
:ok: welcome back
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Welcome back
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AirAsia seeks a home base in Singapore
SINGAPORE - After almost a decade of trying and failing to set up a Singapore-based budget carrier, AirAsia is planning to give it another go. Its new Singapore CEO Logan Velaitham has confirmed that Asia's largest budget airline group is preparing to apply for a Singapore Air Operator's Certificate (AOC), effectively enabling it to set up a Singapore-based airline. He said that as a precursor to the application, AirAsia has made a preliminary presentation to the Ministry of Transport to "demonstrate" AirAsia's commitment and contribution to Singapore. He would not say when the actual AOC application would be made. "Singapore is critical for us and we have been delivering the numbers," he said. "Even without an AOC, our arrivals, tourist numbers and contribution to the Singapore economy have been growing rapidly. Imagine what we could do if we have a Singapore-based carrier?" AirAsia is believed to have applied for a Singapore AOC several times in the past eight years; the last time was in December 2010. But in a one-sentence response late yesterday evening, a Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore (CAAS) spokesman said the regulator "has not received any formal AOC application from AirAsia". But having a carrier based out of one of Asia's biggest hub airports would figuratively connect the dots to complete AirAsia founder Tony Fernandes's ambition to establish a pan-Asean carrier group. The now Jakarta-based Mr Fernandes already oversees a thriving airline group headquartered in Malaysia, but with associates in Thailand, Indonesia, the Philippines and Japan. "We are blessed to be in Asean," Mr Fernandes told BT recently. "It's a market that some people ignore, which plays to our advantage. People are fixated on China and India. There are 690 million people here. I see the growth market as Asean as a whole - not an Indonesia, not a Thailand. "Imagine if all 690 million were flying within Asean for their holidays. That's what happened in Europe and that's my goal, and that's why I shifted to Jakarta. "Fifty per cent of our routes in Asean have been never done before. Obviously, China and India will grow but these are markets that we can only scratch. But Asean will be one big market - that's why I am such a big advocate." Mr Logan is confident that AirAsia will finally land its much coveted Singapore AOC. "Perhaps we did not have the numbers to back up our previous application," he said. "But things have changed. Last year alone, we flew 3.52 million passengers into Changi. We operate 277 flights here, employ over 80 people and enjoy a load factor of around 80 per cent on our Singapore services. Over the last eight years, we have brought 10 million travellers to Singapore. " He revealed that AirAsia's Changi operation also provides a significant volume of feeds to the networks of AirAsia and AirAsia X through Kuala Lumpur to destinations like Australia, the Indian sub- continent and elsewhere. Mr Logan added that AirAsia had also "met all the key performance indicators" of Changi Airport Group to qualify for the airport operator's various growth incentives targeted at airlines operating here. "We value Singapore, and I would like to think Changi values us," added the 41-year-old Malaysian who has lived here since 1988 and holds Singapore permanent residency. Under existing rules, a Singapore AirAsia would need to be 51 per cent held by Singaporean entities, with Malaysia's AirAsia Bhd controlling the remaining 49 per cent stake. The airline is evaluating various potential Singapore partners. "Our brand strategy is to be an Asean airline, with cross-border inter-operability, just like in Europe - which is why Mr Fernandes relocated to Indonesia," he said. "This would enable us to redeploy resources, personnel and assets wherever and whenever necessary. Our pan- Asean vision will not be complete without this (Singapore) AOC." Mr Logan conceded that his recent promotion to CEO of the Singapore operation was a precursor to the AOC application. "My job is to keep pushing our growth trajectory in Singapore, while also doing the groundwork and liaising with the decision-makers here." A Singapore AOC could see many of the airline's new jets being based here. AirAsia hit the headlines in June last year when it placed a record order for 200 new A320s at the Paris Air Show. It currently has 105 planes in its fleet. A new airline would also boost budget airline passenger numbers at Changi, where the 13 low-cost carriers currently already account for almost 30 per cent of total traffic. Relax - AirAsia seeks a home base in Singapore |
flying.monkeyz,
Nice post. Lets hope they dont start hiring only malaysian FOs. Then will be good for our pilot pool. |
When things start to pick up, I doubt there's enough qualified Singaporeans to be shared between SQ / MI / SQC / 3K / TR / AirAsia Singapore. Hiring of Malaysian FO is just a matter of time.
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hmm, Air Asia is really coming to set up base in SG?
CAAS denied it though, u shared it a few months back http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...s-network.html hope they'll be successful this time round |
Hey guys, saw this on the Aus forums.
Aviation Business: Griffith University signs cadet training deal with Cathay Pacific Might be an avenue further afield if you guys decide to do a degree, or not successful in finding a job in SG. |
dl_88 - Thanks for sharing this! I went to the Griffith website and read more about this and found out that it is only for domestic students and not international. Do correct me if I'm wrong
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oh, just saw it, my bad then. Disregard the post then:O
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its good information anyway dl_88 :ok: thanks once again!
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Just another perspective. If Singaporeans are all kpkbing that all these foreigners are invading our cockpits, just think how the Honkeys feel when all these ang mohs from australia (where the honkeys will probably get discriminated themselves left right up down center) are now coming into CX cockpits by the droves.
In my ban from these forums I was thinking about the India peoples' arguements that cockpits should be free from nationality bickering and it should be open for all people with talent. Point though is that people who say this, their countries themselves don't follow this policy and the same Australians and Indians who complain that they should be red carpet entryed into SG/HK Cockpits complain like hell when a foreigner pilot comes into their country. Trust me, I started my career in NZ. In any case, the world makes it seem as if Singaporeans are the world's most unqualified godforsaken pilots. If countries like Botswana, Kenya and Ethiopia put their nationals first and have enough Pilots amongst their own countrymen, I highly fking doubt Singapore, being the world's richest country now, does not! |
Singaporeairlines it sound's as if you have some sort of grudge against Australian/Indians?
I don't think any expat pilot feels they deserve a job or as you say should get red carpet treatment or maybe you have come across a few bad eggs i'd be interested to hear? And on you're next point surely it's more a case of business/commercial sense. Airlines tend to recruit on a reactionary basis they get a sudden shortfall of pilots and hence need to get people online as quick as possible. I'm not sure on the stats on how many Singaporeans there are type rated but across the world the is a surplus to requirement so is why they are forced to look further afield. I think things are looking up with the cadetships starting with schools recruiting for the likes of Jetstar and Tiger etc but again its a self sponsored route with all the risks. |
Singaporeairlines, I spent 10 years as an ex-pat Captain with SQ, never once made to feel 'unwelcome'. I have a lot of time for the locals, great bunch of guys. I understand your bitterness, I never understood why the local Airline was so hard on it's own Citizens. However your aggressive attitude is possibly the reason you didn't get in. SQ are looking for people who are going to work well together as a team. They know what they want and I can see why you were rejected. I still wish you well, I like your spirit.
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Hello guys,
Firstly thanks for the great response in this thread which could help many aspiring pilots. However lets not drift away from what this thread was supposed to do…share our experiences and not wasting time on other unrelated issues. One of the most important attribute of being a pilot and let me say this loudly is to respect people from different nationalities. We work in a multi-cultural environment and if we cant even do this simple task, how are we going to be happy in a tight flight deck for 10 hours or even the rest of our career? Thank about it. |
By George agree fully.
9M-.. Whats it like for aspiring Singaporeans to get financing for flight training? Looks like things are getting moving with Staero and with OAA/CAE's new training center but will there be much uptake for locals be able to fund the schemes? |
ElitePilot,
Last i know bank do give out study loan to maybe 1/3 or 2/3 of the total cost. Can check with them on this. |
I had a study loan that was pegged to my guarantor's pay package.
So pick a rich uncle or aunt or sibling and get the maximum. I was with DBS. |
I am personally against the Tiger and Jetstar schemes for the greater good. Sure you might get a LCC Pilot job but you paying 200K SGD for the course...how does that reflect on management - that wannabe pilots will pay an arm and leg just to get into the RHS?
As for foreigners in Aviation, if you think about it from a purely Labour and Economics perspective, they cause a lot of structural unemployment. Even in India, if they got rid of all these white pilots, Indian first officers on the line can get promoted and all these unemployed CPL 250s can get into the system and get the cogwheels turned and ease the bottleneck. Yet they seem to still hire expats for AI Express, Jet Airways etc... Same goes for Malaysia too. So yes, we do need to appreciate Multiculturalism, Racial harmony and all that jazz but remember, when you choose to extend that guy's contract, you are very very directly depriving another guy of your own country a chance and choking the natural flow of the labor process. _______________________________________ Back on topic, I feel the following are musts for a long and happy aviation career. 1.) Get a degree. Every tom, dick and harry from the 3rd world nations has one and if you as a Singaporean don't have one, it is not looked upon well. That being said, if you DO have a degree, it is valued way above these other Indian/Malaysian/Pinoy degrees. 2.) Don't get an Aviation degree. I did one but apart from that I had a degree from NUS in Applied Mathematics. I started off in Financial Services and I still do Consulting and Private Stock and Securities trading in my free time. It can be VERY financially rewarding. 3.) Reason why I am due for Captain at age 35: Degree and ability to show my Chief Pilot I have a good understanding of business. This is key in the future. I have another max. 30 years of flying in my life available. If I make Captain now, just imagine how much potential that holds for all of you people. (Also note I got rejected by SIA) 4.) NETWORK! Hang around the airport. Work in the aviation line. You don't have to be a Pilot at first. If you hold a degree, you can go into Consultancy etc...My Malay nephew is a Management Associate with Lufthansa - they hired him straight out of NTU Aerospace Engineering (Upper 2nd Hons). Now he's building up some hours to go onto Susi Air's Piaggio fleet and at the same time do some management level work for them. 5.) Don't sell out and bring our Aviation Industry to what it is in India. Happy Landings :ok: |
Speaking of opportunities for Sporeans:-
Its quite puzzling that Scoot would have its entire flight deck all of expats, or a vast majority of. Does anyone know of the real reason why a subsidiary of SIA would hire as such, even though the parent company had put out a VNPL policy? |
SingaporeAirlines...you better memorise this:
My dearest SingaporeAirlines (newly opened Petaluma Riesling 2009, all for me while I type this shiite),
S'pore Air, you're a knob and a dropkick. And in my Aussie slang, that means in your Singaporean morphed english: ****** I can say alot more, but i need to fly in the arvo, so to get to the point: 1. Tiger FOs in Sg get paid NO LESS THAN: S$135-45k /yr, Cpts S$220-250/yr, so paying S$180k for ab-initio to a job to fly with me in TR seems like a fantastic invesment for a parent....if my daughter or son succeeds......don't you think? 2. Degree NOT Required:I RECENTLY ( 9 years ago- my first ab-initio C152 flight!!) started my aviation career with only 'O' levels and there is NO real need to show your Chief Pilot of your PERCEIVED ability to run a business. He only needs to know that you are not ARROGANT like yourself and you WILL follow SOPs and respect your cabin crew and colleagues. l 3. Singapore does NOT have enough DEPTH of trainee pilots like yourself, like you have proven, to fill the RHS for an eventual move to MY SEAT!! EVERYBODY can be an FO, but not everyone can become a GOOD Captain, so GOD forbid, you must NEVER be my Captain, which you cannot, thank goodness. 4. I am now sponsored by my airline to complete my aviation degree but I still DO NOT see any worth in an academic piece of paper. So I remain a GCE O Level Captain in a major airline at Changi NOT wondering anymore why Singapore Airlines cannot find suitable cadets to fit their requirements. 5.....and if your'e are still wondering, yes, I'm a CAAS approved training captain` |
Speaking of opportunities for Sporeans:- Its quite puzzling that Scoot would have its entire flight deck all of expats, or a vast majority of. Does anyone know of the real reason why a subsidiary of SIA would hire as such, even though the parent company had put out a VNPL policy? Guys if you want a career in aviation there is only one option...Work Hard. If you are lucky, :D you will land a cadetship somewhere and an airline will pay for your training. If your not, you will have to pay for it yourself :eek:. This is just like everyone else who didn't get a cadetship around the world. Think of your licence like an expensive university degree, or an overseas degree (I know a lot of SG guys and girls study abroad) to put it into perspective. Biggest thing to take on board is that you are investing it in yourself to gain a skill set, so keep the long term in mind if this is where you want to work. There are lot of options out there for training around the world, so shop around and see what you can get. $200K SG has been battered around and unfortunately that is the sort of numbers you will need to look at. A CPL with a ME/CIR to sigapore licencing standards will set you back around $100-$110K AU ($140K-ish SG) or there abouts in Australia, before you look at things like accommodation, visa and licence applications etc etc. Training options are also expanding here in SG so take a look at STAA & Oxford to see how they compare. These organisations will make it easier as you will be issued with a SG licence and not have to convert. Singapore's biggest hurdle is you need to train outside of SG as the airspace is so limited. Anyone can be a pilot, hell mankind sent monkeys and dogs into space for gods sake. It is going to take dedication and hard work to get the job you want, in the location you want. You need to stick at it for the long term to get there. Took me 16 years from my first flight to the right seat of a A320, proves persistence pays off in the end. |
Rotatejunkie: It is a question the SO, FO & SFOs don't know the answer to either I believe. I know it pissed a lot of them off when they had the meeting and were told about the VNPL. |
its probably gonna be a mountain to climb for a Malaysian JAA ATPL holder(im Singaporean) to find a job. im wondering what are the best options?
thanks! |
izzy,
you can try AirAsia.... no harm trying. if they need you, they'll take you. |
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