@annubis
you dont have to give written exam again coz u got 2 oral attempts left u can give them in any session but before oct 2013

hello guys, ppl who r giving oral today please share the questions...i have my oral for radioaids n gen nav 2morow.......looking forwrd to see +Ve response..thnx

Done with my oral today only gen nav
Asked me to locate isogonal lines,ifr and vfr airports,grid mora and its def.,locate symbol for route communication frequency in the enroute charts section.
Draw non standard holding pattern for 300 inbound and tell all three entry points.
Etops different categories 75,120 and 180.etops entry and exit point.
Terrestrial magnetism
where is papi light located left or right side tell from approach plate got confused in this ques.
Thats all i can recall

Gen Nav questions asked at Bombay today:
1. Explain RVSM. Is TCAS mandatory? If you were to fly from Bombay to London how would you find out which airspaces mandatorily require you to have TCAS?
2. Looking at the Sunrise/Sunset table in the Jepp Manual please get the sunrise time in Bombay for today? Is this time LMT, UTC, or IST? Please find the IST timing
3. Explain Grid MORA, Symbols - RVSM, FIR boundary, WX frequency, and Airspaces

Congratulations to all those who cleared the Orals

a question from aviation tire..
For a given set of ionospheric conditions, as the frequency of an HF signal is increased:
A) the size of the dead space increases due solely to the decreasing minimum skip distance.
B) the size of the dead space decreases because the surface wave coverage decreases, and the minimum skip distance decreases.
c) the size of the dead space increases due solely to the increasing minimum skip distance.
D) the size of the dead space increases because the surface wave coverage decreases, and the minimum skip distance increases.

the answer given is c is not D?

answer is D.

@bayblade, thnx

Once all the ATPL papers are cleared, including the Orals, how do we go about getting the Frozen ATPL licence from DGCA. Is there a fee to be paid? Will they issue a new ATPL book or is it simply endorsed on our CPL book.

If there is one book you would suggest to clear the written Nav and Radio Aids, what would it be.

Are the Keith Williams question bank books still relevant these days. Have question come from thes sets?

For Air Reg and Met, is it enough to study from the books published by Himalaya publications, available at the New English bookstore? Someone please advise.

Is it possible to give the Orals first and the written later?

@avicon
your question regarding books has been addressed before. (zillions of times)

no you can't give the orals before the written.

as for the rest, i did not find any questions from keith william in the last radio aids paper. they weren't from oxford either but if your concepts are clear you need not worry.

i don't think dgca issues any thing as frozen ATPL or even recognizes this for the matter. i'm not very sure about this though, someone here can probably let us know.

Are the GSP books good enough?

Can I solely rely on the Himalaya books for Reg and Met?

@bayblade

There is no such thing as Frozen ATPL issued by DGCA and nor the term Frozen ATPL mentioned in the CAR.
Written and orals + 1500hrs = ATPL licence -- Within 5 yrs

Well if a frozen ATPL is not recognised by the DGCA why is everyone with just a CPL and 200 hrs under their belts so eager to get the ATPL out of the way.

Isn't it better to clear the exams when you have a job in the airlines and have gained better understanding of the aspects of Navigation, radio aids etc than just rote-learn them now just for the sake of clearing the exams.

thanks planeboy777

avicon, the reason people are clearing ATPL is because not only it keeps them closer to their theory subjects but also gets them a stronger hold over it. it also keeps you occupied if you don't have much to do:E

ya well if you do just that, then you obviously don't pass the exam. fair.

Books
 

Hi friends :)
Please suggest me some book to start off with the engines, both, the jet and props.
I started with THE OXFORD but that is too heavy to digest as of now, i need to understand the basics first and then go for in detail.

kindly advice few books...
Thank you

Oxford..it does look big but its written well..easy to understand..
GSP's are good but little hard to comprehend..

Start with FROM THE GROUND UP & then move up to Flight without Formula written by A.C. kermode.....

That's what we used to read, when we started.......

Ground up even takes care of good 30-40% of questions in Technical exam...

thanks Skyblade, pilotbaba
I appreciate your reply, i dont really have those book but will try to get FROM THE GROUND UP, meanwhile you can suggest some more too ;)

Buddy, you like to collect books. don't you???

Read these 2 books first, then if you need to read more, pls feel free to email me.... These 2 books will give you enough understanding of the subject....

Do a novel reading first time, just read it like a Fiction Story Novel, you can even think of it as a M&B if you like.....

2nd time, will be much better & 3rd time you will know & understand the concepts.......

OK here's the 3rd Book...... "Handling the big Jets"

@pilotbaba
I do like collecting books and READING them :D
I was asking for more names just to have options, like i said as of now will be reading "From the ground up".

Software or Tab App for Jeppesen
 

(Bombay to London how would you find out which airspaces mandatorily require you to have TCAS)

During VIVA I was shown a Tab with all the Apch charts. Understand the same also has all the reqmts for entering any airspace.

Would like to know where to get this App / software. Can it be run on a Laptop / desktop?

Tech specific for Seneca Piper III
 

Dear all,
Need question bank or tech details of Piper Seneca III for ATPL exams.
Thanks

IN ATPL RadioAids & Inst'mnts ORALS:
Do they ask
1) Approach Charts, IFR Charts, etc..
2) Holding Pattern questions on entries etc..
3) Radio Aids & Instruments Regs. example: failure of radio comm. in VFR, IFR etc..

Please do post a reply.
Thank you.

Yes SCPL, they do ask all of it. Though the radio-failure mumbo-jumbo is reserved for the dumbest of the dumb.

Guys any one giving their VIVA this time ?? Would appreciate any questions being asked. Thanks.

Orals starting from 27 August. Wishing all the candidates luck! :ok:
Please share the questions here. Thanks :)

Any questions from Todays Oral
 

Hi Guys,

Did anyone appear today for Orals??

Pls share any questions

Thx in advance.

Ok guys cleared my ATPL CG Viva ie. radio aids and nav together.

Questions asked:-

1. CPDLC !!! (That was the first question).

2. ADS/CPDLC what is the difference.

3. Charts (MEA, MOCA, MORA, Grid MORA)

4. What type of projection ? Where is the standard Parallels ?

5. Lamberts Conical Conformal - Explain in depth.

6. What is conformal ??

7. RVSM & Requirements.

8. ETOPS.

9. Mach Meter - A thorough Explanation.

10. ASI - Explain.

11. Wx Radar failure once airborne will you return ? Monsoon has been declared. :- Sir, if the Sig Wx Chart has any weather enroute, it would call for any immediate return, Under what conditions will you continue esp if its an QTA at the destination. Sir, if I will check the enroute wx for the total flight time to and back. If no significant Wx, I will go through my MEL. If my MEL says its an compulsory requirement then if the aerodrome is Isolated/Non Maintenance Equipped then I will turn back so that the airline can fix the equipment or provide an alternate option to the PAX.
(I could see in their reaction that this was my trump card question)

12. Low Visibility Procedures !!! GUYS FOR THE FIRST TIME ON PPRUNE.. This is being mentioned here. They are definitely asking LVP nowadays.
After answering their question, they smiled and said, this is not DGCA but the CAA where you are from :bored:.

13. CMV - Calculated Met Visib.

14. Slop.

Followed by an "ALL THE BEST" .

ps. guys I didnt use any books. Just used google to open websites and made my own notes which I can understand & this has helped me super big time. Had I studied from oxford or other books, I would have screwed it up. Thanks.

@ GE90-115B

Did you clear the Oral exam in July Session?? How do you know you passed?? I am waiting for the result to be posted on the DGCA website but nothing so far.......

Pls advise where did you check the result for ATPL ORAL exam??

Thx

1.Go to Udaan.nic.in
2. Login with ur User Name / Password.
3. Check your result.

Thanks for the advise..

I checked & YES I passed.. Both NAV & RADIO AIDS Orals.....

Question asked:

1st question: what is your strongest topic??
Then followed by: personal details etc & then following:
Lambert properties
Transaverse mercator
Jeppeson chart
Performance questions
CP PNR questions
RVSM

RADIO AIDS
What is background?
What is your stringest topic?
Why should we pass you??
Then following:
DME
ILS
Transponder
INS IRS
GYROS

At the end, Best of for the future...

The examiners sounded tough but at the end, were decently fair in asking questions...

Anyone looking to pass, pls read the entire thread, no surprise questions were asked to anyone in my group..

Congrats Pilot Baba + 1 point to add.

The questions being asked is directly in commensurate with your experience.

If you are actively flying, expect questions to be bit more technical.

For example if you are on the 777 .. you can expect an question such as explain North Atlantic Routes and MNPS and IRS Redundancy.

Questions for freshers are relatively straight forward and more simpler.

So it is advisable to clear your ATPL papers/ Viva at the earliest.

The oral exams for the Oct-2012 attempt have started yesterday, i.e; the 26th of Nov 2012.
Anybody who has appeared for the same either for this attempt or the one immediately preceding this one, is urged to post some/all of the questions here.

Mumbai VIVA Nov 12 Questions Reqd
 

Friends answers required on the following Nav Qs asked in Apr


There was a chart that was for some airline / operator specific. Can some one help in finding out what all are the symbols used for various airlines / operators.

Airspace Classifications- what about SAR in these air spaces-

Can someone tell about uncontrolled airspace. It is given at many places that in In India there are no uncontrolled air space. But I remember during RTR classes lots of time uncontrolled airspace was mentioned during routing.

where all other than aviation are Lambert charts used.

Given two longs on equator (Not diametrically opposite). What track to follow if they have to meet reciprocal at the poles. Anyone any idea on this.

Answers and clarifications on the above will be appreciated.

Some Info now

Questions on notes on a Apch Chart. Don't answer without looking at the chart even if it is too obvious an answer. As far as I know, if the controller tells you to do something then it is understood that he is in control and doing so depending on the traffic But I think he expected me to look at the chart and readout the note.

ETOPS, who has to approve and why? Definition. Emphasis on nil winds and single engine cruise speeds. He kept hinting on what are the environmental factors that are affecting.

Mumbai VIVA Nov 12 Questions Reqd Friends answers required on the following Nav Qs as
 

Airspace Classifications- what about SAR in these air spaces- SAR in any airspace within a country is the responsibility of the country as per ICAO conventions. In India it is the resp of AAI

Can someone tell about uncontrolled airspace. All airspace marked with grey shade on the jepp is uncontrolled airspace.

where all other than aviation are Lambert charts used. - Well the mariners have been using it for ages before the aviators adopted it!

Given two longs on equator (Not diametrically opposite). What track to follow if they have to meet reciprocal at the poles -Now, thats a tricky one. I would have made them travel 090/270, but to meet reciprocal at the poles?!!!

ETOPS
 

ETOPS, who has to approve and why? Definition. Emphasis on nil winds and single engine cruise speeds. He kept hinting on what are the environmental factors that are affecting.
6.1 Procedure for seeking approval for ETOPS
Any operator requesting approval for extended range operations with twin engine aeroplanes should submit the request with the supporting data to the Regional Airworthiness office of DGCA at least three months prior to the proposed start of extended range operation with the specific airframe/engine combination. Each operator requesting approval to conduct extended range operations should have operational in service experience as given in para 4 appropriate to the operation proposed. This data shall include the details of compliance of modifications,
additions and changes in the maintenance practices, which were made to qualify the
aeroplane system for ETOPS operations. It should also be shown that an acceptable level of propulsion system reliability has been achieved in service by the world fleet for that particular airframe-engine combination. The operator must obtain sufficient maintenance and operations familiarity with the particular airframe engine combination in question before seeking approval. Each applicant/operator for extended range approval should show that the particular airframe/engine combination is sufficiently reliable. Systems required for extended range operations should be shown by the operator to be continuously maintained and operated at
levels of reliability appropriate for intended operation
Extended Range Operations approval of an aeroplane by the manufacturer/Regulatory Authority of the country of manufacture is normally reflected by a statement in the approved Aeroplane Flight Manual (AFM) / Type Certificate Data Sheet (TDS) or Supplemental Type Certificate(STC), which specifies the Configuration, Maintenance and Procedures (CMP) Standard requirements for suitability. The CMP standards shall be of latest revision. The
standards and its revisions may require priority actions to be implemented before the next ETOP flight and other actions to be implemented according to a schedule acceptable to DGCA.