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When things start to pick up, I doubt there's enough qualified Singaporeans to be shared between SQ / MI / SQC / 3K / TR / AirAsia Singapore. Hiring of Malaysian FO is just a matter of time.
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hmm, Air Asia is really coming to set up base in SG?
CAAS denied it though, u shared it a few months back
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...s-network.html
hope they'll be successful this time round
CAAS denied it though, u shared it a few months back
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far...s-network.html
hope they'll be successful this time round
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Hey guys, saw this on the Aus forums.
Aviation Business: Griffith University signs cadet training deal with Cathay Pacific
Might be an avenue further afield if you guys decide to do a degree, or not successful in finding a job in SG.
Aviation Business: Griffith University signs cadet training deal with Cathay Pacific
Might be an avenue further afield if you guys decide to do a degree, or not successful in finding a job in SG.
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dl_88 - Thanks for sharing this! I went to the Griffith website and read more about this and found out that it is only for domestic students and not international. Do correct me if I'm wrong
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Just another perspective. If Singaporeans are all kpkbing that all these foreigners are invading our cockpits, just think how the Honkeys feel when all these ang mohs from australia (where the honkeys will probably get discriminated themselves left right up down center) are now coming into CX cockpits by the droves.
In my ban from these forums I was thinking about the India peoples' arguements that cockpits should be free from nationality bickering and it should be open for all people with talent.
Point though is that people who say this, their countries themselves don't follow this policy and the same Australians and Indians who complain that they should be red carpet entryed into SG/HK Cockpits complain like hell when a foreigner pilot comes into their country. Trust me, I started my career in NZ.
In any case, the world makes it seem as if Singaporeans are the world's most unqualified godforsaken pilots. If countries like Botswana, Kenya and Ethiopia put their nationals first and have enough Pilots amongst their own countrymen, I highly fking doubt Singapore, being the world's richest country now, does not!
In my ban from these forums I was thinking about the India peoples' arguements that cockpits should be free from nationality bickering and it should be open for all people with talent.
Point though is that people who say this, their countries themselves don't follow this policy and the same Australians and Indians who complain that they should be red carpet entryed into SG/HK Cockpits complain like hell when a foreigner pilot comes into their country. Trust me, I started my career in NZ.
In any case, the world makes it seem as if Singaporeans are the world's most unqualified godforsaken pilots. If countries like Botswana, Kenya and Ethiopia put their nationals first and have enough Pilots amongst their own countrymen, I highly fking doubt Singapore, being the world's richest country now, does not!
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Singaporeairlines it sound's as if you have some sort of grudge against Australian/Indians?
I don't think any expat pilot feels they deserve a job or as you say should get red carpet treatment or maybe you have come across a few bad eggs i'd be interested to hear?
And on you're next point surely it's more a case of business/commercial sense. Airlines tend to recruit on a reactionary basis they get a sudden shortfall of pilots and hence need to get people online as quick as possible. I'm not sure on the stats on how many Singaporeans there are type rated but across the world the is a surplus to requirement so is why they are forced to look further afield.
I think things are looking up with the cadetships starting with schools recruiting for the likes of Jetstar and Tiger etc but again its a self sponsored route with all the risks.
I don't think any expat pilot feels they deserve a job or as you say should get red carpet treatment or maybe you have come across a few bad eggs i'd be interested to hear?
And on you're next point surely it's more a case of business/commercial sense. Airlines tend to recruit on a reactionary basis they get a sudden shortfall of pilots and hence need to get people online as quick as possible. I'm not sure on the stats on how many Singaporeans there are type rated but across the world the is a surplus to requirement so is why they are forced to look further afield.
I think things are looking up with the cadetships starting with schools recruiting for the likes of Jetstar and Tiger etc but again its a self sponsored route with all the risks.
Singaporeairlines, I spent 10 years as an ex-pat Captain with SQ, never once made to feel 'unwelcome'. I have a lot of time for the locals, great bunch of guys. I understand your bitterness, I never understood why the local Airline was so hard on it's own Citizens. However your aggressive attitude is possibly the reason you didn't get in. SQ are looking for people who are going to work well together as a team. They know what they want and I can see why you were rejected. I still wish you well, I like your spirit.
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Hello guys,
Firstly thanks for the great response in this thread which could help many aspiring pilots. However lets not drift away from what this thread was supposed to do…share our experiences and not wasting time on other unrelated issues.
One of the most important attribute of being a pilot and let me say this loudly is to respect people from different nationalities. We work in a multi-cultural environment and if we cant even do this simple task, how are we going to be happy in a tight flight deck for 10 hours or even the rest of our career?
Thank about it.
Firstly thanks for the great response in this thread which could help many aspiring pilots. However lets not drift away from what this thread was supposed to do…share our experiences and not wasting time on other unrelated issues.
One of the most important attribute of being a pilot and let me say this loudly is to respect people from different nationalities. We work in a multi-cultural environment and if we cant even do this simple task, how are we going to be happy in a tight flight deck for 10 hours or even the rest of our career?
Thank about it.
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By George agree fully.
9M-.. Whats it like for aspiring Singaporeans to get financing for flight training?
Looks like things are getting moving with Staero and with OAA/CAE's new training center but will there be much uptake for locals be able to fund the schemes?
9M-.. Whats it like for aspiring Singaporeans to get financing for flight training?
Looks like things are getting moving with Staero and with OAA/CAE's new training center but will there be much uptake for locals be able to fund the schemes?
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I am personally against the Tiger and Jetstar schemes for the greater good. Sure you might get a LCC Pilot job but you paying 200K SGD for the course...how does that reflect on management - that wannabe pilots will pay an arm and leg just to get into the RHS?
As for foreigners in Aviation, if you think about it from a purely Labour and Economics perspective, they cause a lot of structural unemployment.
Even in India, if they got rid of all these white pilots, Indian first officers on the line can get promoted and all these unemployed CPL 250s can get into the system and get the cogwheels turned and ease the bottleneck.
Yet they seem to still hire expats for AI Express, Jet Airways etc...
Same goes for Malaysia too.
So yes, we do need to appreciate Multiculturalism, Racial harmony and all that jazz but remember, when you choose to extend that guy's contract, you are very very directly depriving another guy of your own country a chance and choking the natural flow of the labor process.
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Back on topic, I feel the following are musts for a long and happy aviation career.
1.) Get a degree. Every tom, dick and harry from the 3rd world nations has one and if you as a Singaporean don't have one, it is not looked upon well. That being said, if you DO have a degree, it is valued way above these other Indian/Malaysian/Pinoy degrees.
2.) Don't get an Aviation degree. I did one but apart from that I had a degree from NUS in Applied Mathematics. I started off in Financial Services and I still do Consulting and Private Stock and Securities trading in my free time. It can be VERY financially rewarding.
3.) Reason why I am due for Captain at age 35: Degree and ability to show my Chief Pilot I have a good understanding of business. This is key in the future. I have another max. 30 years of flying in my life available. If I make Captain now, just imagine how much potential that holds for all of you people.
(Also note I got rejected by SIA)
4.) NETWORK! Hang around the airport. Work in the aviation line. You don't have to be a Pilot at first. If you hold a degree, you can go into Consultancy etc...My Malay nephew is a Management Associate with Lufthansa - they hired him straight out of NTU Aerospace Engineering (Upper 2nd Hons). Now he's building up some hours to go onto Susi Air's Piaggio fleet and at the same time do some management level work for them.
5.) Don't sell out and bring our Aviation Industry to what it is in India.
Happy Landings
As for foreigners in Aviation, if you think about it from a purely Labour and Economics perspective, they cause a lot of structural unemployment.
Even in India, if they got rid of all these white pilots, Indian first officers on the line can get promoted and all these unemployed CPL 250s can get into the system and get the cogwheels turned and ease the bottleneck.
Yet they seem to still hire expats for AI Express, Jet Airways etc...
Same goes for Malaysia too.
So yes, we do need to appreciate Multiculturalism, Racial harmony and all that jazz but remember, when you choose to extend that guy's contract, you are very very directly depriving another guy of your own country a chance and choking the natural flow of the labor process.
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Back on topic, I feel the following are musts for a long and happy aviation career.
1.) Get a degree. Every tom, dick and harry from the 3rd world nations has one and if you as a Singaporean don't have one, it is not looked upon well. That being said, if you DO have a degree, it is valued way above these other Indian/Malaysian/Pinoy degrees.
2.) Don't get an Aviation degree. I did one but apart from that I had a degree from NUS in Applied Mathematics. I started off in Financial Services and I still do Consulting and Private Stock and Securities trading in my free time. It can be VERY financially rewarding.
3.) Reason why I am due for Captain at age 35: Degree and ability to show my Chief Pilot I have a good understanding of business. This is key in the future. I have another max. 30 years of flying in my life available. If I make Captain now, just imagine how much potential that holds for all of you people.
(Also note I got rejected by SIA)
4.) NETWORK! Hang around the airport. Work in the aviation line. You don't have to be a Pilot at first. If you hold a degree, you can go into Consultancy etc...My Malay nephew is a Management Associate with Lufthansa - they hired him straight out of NTU Aerospace Engineering (Upper 2nd Hons). Now he's building up some hours to go onto Susi Air's Piaggio fleet and at the same time do some management level work for them.
5.) Don't sell out and bring our Aviation Industry to what it is in India.
Happy Landings
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Speaking of opportunities for Sporeans:-
Its quite puzzling that Scoot would have its entire flight deck all of expats, or a vast majority of.
Does anyone know of the real reason why a subsidiary of SIA would hire as such, even though the parent company had put out a VNPL policy?
Its quite puzzling that Scoot would have its entire flight deck all of expats, or a vast majority of.
Does anyone know of the real reason why a subsidiary of SIA would hire as such, even though the parent company had put out a VNPL policy?
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SingaporeAirlines...you better memorise this:
My dearest SingaporeAirlines (newly opened Petaluma Riesling 2009, all for me while I type this shiite),
S'pore Air, you're a knob and a dropkick.
And in my Aussie slang, that means in your Singaporean morphed english: ******
I can say alot more, but i need to fly in the arvo, so to get to the point:
1. Tiger FOs in Sg get paid NO LESS THAN: S$135-45k /yr, Cpts S$220-250/yr, so paying S$180k for ab-initio to a job to fly with me in TR seems like a fantastic invesment for a parent....if my daughter or son succeeds......don't you think?
2. Degree NOT Required:I RECENTLY ( 9 years ago- my first ab-initio C152 flight!!) started my aviation career with only 'O' levels and there is NO real need to show your Chief Pilot of your PERCEIVED ability to run a business. He only needs to know that you are not ARROGANT like yourself and you WILL follow SOPs and respect your cabin crew and colleagues.
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3. Singapore does NOT have enough DEPTH of trainee pilots like yourself, like you have proven, to fill the RHS for an eventual move to MY SEAT!! EVERYBODY can be an FO, but not everyone can become a GOOD Captain, so GOD forbid, you must NEVER be my Captain, which you cannot, thank goodness.
4. I am now sponsored by my airline to complete my aviation degree but I still DO NOT see any worth in an academic piece of paper. So I remain a GCE O Level Captain in a major airline at Changi NOT wondering anymore why
Singapore Airlines cannot find suitable cadets to fit their requirements.
5.....and if your'e
are still wondering, yes, I'm a CAAS approved training captain`
S'pore Air, you're a knob and a dropkick.
And in my Aussie slang, that means in your Singaporean morphed english: ******
I can say alot more, but i need to fly in the arvo, so to get to the point:
1. Tiger FOs in Sg get paid NO LESS THAN: S$135-45k /yr, Cpts S$220-250/yr, so paying S$180k for ab-initio to a job to fly with me in TR seems like a fantastic invesment for a parent....if my daughter or son succeeds......don't you think?
2. Degree NOT Required:I RECENTLY ( 9 years ago- my first ab-initio C152 flight!!) started my aviation career with only 'O' levels and there is NO real need to show your Chief Pilot of your PERCEIVED ability to run a business. He only needs to know that you are not ARROGANT like yourself and you WILL follow SOPs and respect your cabin crew and colleagues.
l
3. Singapore does NOT have enough DEPTH of trainee pilots like yourself, like you have proven, to fill the RHS for an eventual move to MY SEAT!! EVERYBODY can be an FO, but not everyone can become a GOOD Captain, so GOD forbid, you must NEVER be my Captain, which you cannot, thank goodness.
4. I am now sponsored by my airline to complete my aviation degree but I still DO NOT see any worth in an academic piece of paper. So I remain a GCE O Level Captain in a major airline at Changi NOT wondering anymore why
Singapore Airlines cannot find suitable cadets to fit their requirements.
5.....and if your'e
are still wondering, yes, I'm a CAAS approved training captain`
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Speaking of opportunities for Sporeans:-
Its quite puzzling that Scoot would have its entire flight deck all of expats, or a vast majority of.
Does anyone know of the real reason why a subsidiary of SIA would hire as such, even though the parent company had put out a VNPL policy?
Its quite puzzling that Scoot would have its entire flight deck all of expats, or a vast majority of.
Does anyone know of the real reason why a subsidiary of SIA would hire as such, even though the parent company had put out a VNPL policy?
Guys if you want a career in aviation there is only one option...Work Hard.
If you are lucky,
you will land a cadetship somewhere and an airline will pay for your training. If your not, you will have to pay for it yourself 
. This is just like everyone else who didn't get a cadetship around the world. Think of your licence like an expensive university degree, or an overseas degree (I know a lot of SG guys and girls study abroad) to put it into perspective. Biggest thing to take on board is that you are investing it in yourself to gain a skill set, so keep the long term in mind if this is where you want to work.There are lot of options out there for training around the world, so shop around and see what you can get. $200K SG has been battered around and unfortunately that is the sort of numbers you will need to look at. A CPL with a ME/CIR to sigapore licencing standards will set you back around $100-$110K AU ($140K-ish SG) or there abouts in Australia, before you look at things like accommodation, visa and licence applications etc etc.
Training options are also expanding here in SG so take a look at STAA & Oxford to see how they compare. These organisations will make it easier as you will be issued with a SG licence and not have to convert. Singapore's biggest hurdle is you need to train outside of SG as the airspace is so limited.
Anyone can be a pilot, hell mankind sent monkeys and dogs into space for gods sake. It is going to take dedication and hard work to get the job you want, in the location you want. You need to stick at it for the long term to get there. Took me 16 years from my first flight to the right seat of a A320, proves persistence pays off in the end.
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Rotatejunkie: It is a question the SO, FO & SFOs don't know the answer to either I believe. I know it pissed a lot of them off when they had the meeting and were told about the VNPL.