Skill Test in India before Conversion of Licence
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1) What exactly are these General Flying Test Day/Night? are they similar to the the flight test/check ride we do abroad?
what are the maneuvers we need to demonstrate on these GFT?
is it whats mentioned on Form CA40 for single engine and
Form CA40B for a multi engine
GFT are Form CA40 and CA40B for multi engine. I wouldnt be too worried about performing up to flight test standard.
2) Whats an IR check? again does it include all those items mentioned on Form PILOT PROFICIENCY CHECK/ IR CHECK
IR check is instrument check. Now if you already hold an instrument rating on your foreign license then you will NOT be required to undergo IR check in India.
3) What are the requirements for an IR on Indian License?
just 2 approaches with instrument and x country hours or do they require an actual IR endorsement on our foreign license?
To get IR you require 50hrs (100nm) x-country flights. 40hrs instrument, Max 20 on sim. Also, within 6 months 5hrs instrument on acft. IR Check should include atleast 2 approaches with one precision an one non precision. You do NOT require IR on foreign license, however then you will have to get IR check in India to issue IR rating on Indian License.
what are the maneuvers we need to demonstrate on these GFT?
is it whats mentioned on Form CA40 for single engine and
Form CA40B for a multi engine
GFT are Form CA40 and CA40B for multi engine. I wouldnt be too worried about performing up to flight test standard.
2) Whats an IR check? again does it include all those items mentioned on Form PILOT PROFICIENCY CHECK/ IR CHECK
IR check is instrument check. Now if you already hold an instrument rating on your foreign license then you will NOT be required to undergo IR check in India.
3) What are the requirements for an IR on Indian License?
just 2 approaches with instrument and x country hours or do they require an actual IR endorsement on our foreign license?
To get IR you require 50hrs (100nm) x-country flights. 40hrs instrument, Max 20 on sim. Also, within 6 months 5hrs instrument on acft. IR Check should include atleast 2 approaches with one precision an one non precision. You do NOT require IR on foreign license, however then you will have to get IR check in India to issue IR rating on Indian License.
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Reviving an old thread here. Hope someone can help me out or point me in the right direction.
Here's the situation. I have a ME IR CPL on the BE76 (No SE CPL). Say I just needed a ME CPL Indian, how many hours would I have to do on the multi (like a PA34) here in India?
Here's the situation. I have a ME IR CPL on the BE76 (No SE CPL). Say I just needed a ME CPL Indian, how many hours would I have to do on the multi (like a PA34) here in India?
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You will be required to complete 5hrs on Seneca. Which will include your day/night/ IR 120nm and 250nm. It may take more than 5 hrs. Maybe... Pant Nagar has Seneca for I think 40,000/hr Goodluck!
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Thank you for the help! So it would be just 5 hours? Someone mentioned that I need to do all the 10 hours as mentioned in one of the CARs for a multi engine endorsement.
Thank you for the help! So it would be just 5 hours? Someone mentioned that I need to do all the 10 hours as mentioned in one of the CARs for a multi engine endorsement.
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So it would go something like this?
1. Get FRTOL and SPL
2. Pass Tech Spec. on the PA34
3. Do 10 hours (including skill tests and whatnot as mentioned in the CAR on the PA 34)
4. Do 15 hours on the C172/C152 (as part of the recency)
5. Submit all documents
6. Pray!!!
Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong
1. Get FRTOL and SPL
2. Pass Tech Spec. on the PA34
3. Do 10 hours (including skill tests and whatnot as mentioned in the CAR on the PA 34)
4. Do 15 hours on the C172/C152 (as part of the recency)
5. Submit all documents
6. Pray!!!
Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong
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the steps seem correct as you have mentioned them (as per the flowchart)
I am currently in Canada, Finishing my multi IFR.
I will count the last few hrs of Seneca flight time for recency and do the multi checks here itself.
plus will do some 172 flying here for the recency.
Now for the single engine Skill tests in India,
1. What is the process for getting FRTOL and SPL
2. Will it matter if i have flown 172N or 172P here and have to fly 172R or 172S in india. (will DGCA make an issue of the variant if i enter it all as 172 in my logbook and documents and not mention the variants anywhere.)
3. Somebody who has done their recency recntly please recomend a good school that has Cessna 172 available. (by good i mean they shud be able to get it done fast for me)
the steps seem correct as you have mentioned them (as per the flowchart)
I am currently in Canada, Finishing my multi IFR.
I will count the last few hrs of Seneca flight time for recency and do the multi checks here itself.
plus will do some 172 flying here for the recency.
Now for the single engine Skill tests in India,
1. What is the process for getting FRTOL and SPL
2. Will it matter if i have flown 172N or 172P here and have to fly 172R or 172S in india. (will DGCA make an issue of the variant if i enter it all as 172 in my logbook and documents and not mention the variants anywhere.)
3. Somebody who has done their recency recntly please recomend a good school that has Cessna 172 available. (by good i mean they shud be able to get it done fast for me)
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I am assuming you have your SE CPL from Canada too?
To get an FRTOL, you need to first get an RTR from Ministry of Communication here in Delhi. You will need to submit your CPL and RT from Canada and fill out a form and a DD. Time taken is 15-30 days. Once you get that, you will need to submit the RTR and another application along with another DD to DGCA to get a FRTOL. Time taken 1 week to forever!
SPL is a relatively simple process and the schools here say they can get it done within a few days.
I don't believe particular models of 172 should cause any trouble. It would be wise to ask around though.
I am assuming you have your SE CPL from Canada too?
To get an FRTOL, you need to first get an RTR from Ministry of Communication here in Delhi. You will need to submit your CPL and RT from Canada and fill out a form and a DD. Time taken is 15-30 days. Once you get that, you will need to submit the RTR and another application along with another DD to DGCA to get a FRTOL. Time taken 1 week to forever!
SPL is a relatively simple process and the schools here say they can get it done within a few days.
I don't believe particular models of 172 should cause any trouble. It would be wise to ask around though.
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well canada's system is diff from US
se cpl is the default to which u add multi night ifr and any other ratings
i have cleared met, nav n regs already, so spl will be direct for me?
will it be issued by the school or by dgca?
for frtol once i have rtr, will there be any exam?
se cpl is the default to which u add multi night ifr and any other ratings
i have cleared met, nav n regs already, so spl will be direct for me?
will it be issued by the school or by dgca?
for frtol once i have rtr, will there be any exam?
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This might help. You can actually do everything in the recency from abroad expect for the skill tests. A lot of people and this is all valid.. are doing the ME checks, night 5hrs and 15hrs pic abroad.. that way you just have to do the checks in India. Also you can get a in house seneca type exam from your school, and avoid taking the techinical exam in India. I know this cause I spoke with a licensing officer in DGCA
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you will need FRTOL and SPL. I gave my application for FRTOL last week they say its gonna be another 3 weeks before I get it. SPL, your school will issue. Checks have to be PIC
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You also have to do the 250nm VFR ( dont long instrument time )XC test by day and the 120nm VFR XC test by night on the PA-34 .
The skill tests 1 hour Day Check , 1 Hour Night Check , IR check and the above mentioned cross country tests will also count towards your 15 hours PIC requirement .
So there is no need to do another 15 hours PIC on a single engine aircraft .
Also please remember that any instrument time should be logged as DUAL and not PIC ( except for IR check ) . So you will have to fly this in addition to the 15 hours PIC requirement .
Also get a document saying you had undergone atleast 20 hours of ground training on the particular aircraft .
The skill tests 1 hour Day Check , 1 Hour Night Check , IR check and the above mentioned cross country tests will also count towards your 15 hours PIC requirement .
So there is no need to do another 15 hours PIC on a single engine aircraft .
Also please remember that any instrument time should be logged as DUAL and not PIC ( except for IR check ) . So you will have to fly this in addition to the 15 hours PIC requirement .
Also get a document saying you had undergone atleast 20 hours of ground training on the particular aircraft .
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Gday
----> PIC by Night - 5 Hrs (with atleast 10 take off & 10 landings) in last 6months.
Can those 10take offs & 10landings be spread out on several different flights on different dates or should they all be done on a single flight ( touch and gos )?
Can they include take offs & landings performed at departure and destination aerodrome on x country flights?
---->General flying test by day with three solo take off and landings each
General flying test Night with three solo take off and landings each
Can we count those flights towards our 15 hours of PIC?
----> Conversion Flow Chart, point 8 says "please produce at least 10 hrs (4 day + 3 night + 1hrday test + 1hr night test + 1hr IR test )of flight training on that multi engine aircraft"
Can those 3hours of night time include 120nm x country flight?
----> PIC by Night - 5 Hrs (with atleast 10 take off & 10 landings) in last 6months.
Can those 10take offs & 10landings be spread out on several different flights on different dates or should they all be done on a single flight ( touch and gos )?
Can they include take offs & landings performed at departure and destination aerodrome on x country flights?
---->General flying test by day with three solo take off and landings each
General flying test Night with three solo take off and landings each
Can we count those flights towards our 15 hours of PIC?
----> Conversion Flow Chart, point 8 says "please produce at least 10 hrs (4 day + 3 night + 1hrday test + 1hr night test + 1hr IR test )of flight training on that multi engine aircraft"
Can those 3hours of night time include 120nm x country flight?
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----> PIC by Night - 5 Hrs (with atleast 10 take off & 10 landings) in last 6months.
Can those 10take offs & 10landings be spread out on several different flights on different dates or should they all be done on a single flight ( touch and gos )?
They can be spread out over different dates.
Can they include take offs & landings performed at departure and destination aerodrome on x country flights?
Yes
---->General flying test by day with three solo take off and landings each
General flying test Night with three solo take off and landings each
Can we count those flights towards our 15 hours of PIC?
Yes
----> Conversion Flow Chart, point 8 says "please produce at least 10 hrs (4 day + 3 night + 1hrday test + 1hr night test + 1hr IR test )of flight training on that multi engine aircraft"
Can those 3hours of night time include 120nm x country flight?
Not Sure.. maybe not cause 120 has to be pic. and i'm guessing that the initial 10hrs on ME is dual....
Can those 10take offs & 10landings be spread out on several different flights on different dates or should they all be done on a single flight ( touch and gos )?
They can be spread out over different dates.
Can they include take offs & landings performed at departure and destination aerodrome on x country flights?
Yes
---->General flying test by day with three solo take off and landings each
General flying test Night with three solo take off and landings each
Can we count those flights towards our 15 hours of PIC?
Yes
----> Conversion Flow Chart, point 8 says "please produce at least 10 hrs (4 day + 3 night + 1hrday test + 1hr night test + 1hr IR test )of flight training on that multi engine aircraft"
Can those 3hours of night time include 120nm x country flight?
Not Sure.. maybe not cause 120 has to be pic. and i'm guessing that the initial 10hrs on ME is dual....
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The 3 hours of night time cannot include the 120nm XC test because its supposed to be logged as DUAL
What they mean by 4 hours Day and 3 hours Night is DUAL training .
So a total of 7 hours of DUAL training before undergoing 1 hour Day test and 1 Hours Night test followed by 1 Hour IR Check .
The 250nm and 120nm can only be done after undergoing the Day test and Night test .
Also remember that the person who taught you to fly cannot take the skill tests for you
What they mean by 4 hours Day and 3 hours Night is DUAL training .
So a total of 7 hours of DUAL training before undergoing 1 hour Day test and 1 Hours Night test followed by 1 Hour IR Check .
The 250nm and 120nm can only be done after undergoing the Day test and Night test .
Also remember that the person who taught you to fly cannot take the skill tests for you
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@ Three.Green & Cyrilroy21 thanks for the wonderful and a speedy reply.
I will be starting my recency flights next month, this is what i have planned.
My multi engine checks in abroad and single engine checks in India (single engine GFT day/night, 250nm & 120nm x countries in India) . Please let me know if this would work.
I am quite confused with the forms, I understand that I have to use From CA-40B for multi GFT, but however the forms says it should be signed by a DGCA approved examiner and countered signed by the aerodrome officer, how do I go about this? Should I just draft another form or ignore the part where it says DGCA examiner since i would be doing multi check in abroad.
Also should I be bothered about form CA-40A co-pilot test? if yes what should be done in terms of flight?
Thanks once again!
I will be starting my recency flights next month, this is what i have planned.
My multi engine checks in abroad and single engine checks in India (single engine GFT day/night, 250nm & 120nm x countries in India) . Please let me know if this would work.
I am quite confused with the forms, I understand that I have to use From CA-40B for multi GFT, but however the forms says it should be signed by a DGCA approved examiner and countered signed by the aerodrome officer, how do I go about this? Should I just draft another form or ignore the part where it says DGCA examiner since i would be doing multi check in abroad.
Also should I be bothered about form CA-40A co-pilot test? if yes what should be done in terms of flight?
Thanks once again!
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You will need a multi IR endorsed on your foreign license for the DGCA to endorse it on your Indian license . Otherwise you will have to give the IR skill test in India .
If its been more than one year since you flew make sure you undergo atleast 1 hour of familiarisation flying which will have to be logged as DUAL before undergoing the skill tests
For the CA 40 forms just type it into microsoft word and change it as your local examiner . No need for aerodrome officer .
Remember the person who undertakes the skill test should sign in your logbook as well as on all the skill test paperwork forms .
Some guys just took the Signature of the Chief Flight Instructor even though he did not conduct the skill test and then the DGCA would not recognise it .
As for the Co-Pilot part.....not needed as long as you are getting it endorsed as PIC .
You will need a multi IR endorsed on your foreign license for the DGCA to endorse it on your Indian license . Otherwise you will have to give the IR skill test in India .
If its been more than one year since you flew make sure you undergo atleast 1 hour of familiarisation flying which will have to be logged as DUAL before undergoing the skill tests
For the CA 40 forms just type it into microsoft word and change it as your local examiner . No need for aerodrome officer .
Remember the person who undertakes the skill test should sign in your logbook as well as on all the skill test paperwork forms .
Some guys just took the Signature of the Chief Flight Instructor even though he did not conduct the skill test and then the DGCA would not recognise it .
As for the Co-Pilot part.....not needed as long as you are getting it endorsed as PIC .
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Hey,
To get just the FRTOL, do you need 10th and 12th mark sheet verification from the respective exam boards ? I understand you need it for issue of CPL.
Anyone who has applied and received just the FRTOL in the recent past, do you remember ?
I've got the other documents required for the FRTOL. This specific information is not on the website and the person who picked up the phone at DGCA was of no use.
Thanks.
To get just the FRTOL, do you need 10th and 12th mark sheet verification from the respective exam boards ? I understand you need it for issue of CPL.
Anyone who has applied and received just the FRTOL in the recent past, do you remember ?
I've got the other documents required for the FRTOL. This specific information is not on the website and the person who picked up the phone at DGCA was of no use.
Thanks.