Skill Test in India before Conversion of Licence
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My tentative Conclusion for the tech specific written exam
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Long time i have been reading about people puzzled on how to get on with the written exam on tech specific and get a CPL on SE with those having a ME CPL,
Now that you remembered, you have take a FAA SE PPL, Why not convert that ppl into an DGCA PPL first, then based on the ppl issued by DGCA, get a DGCA CPL "addon", because AS per DGCA, tech specific exam is same for any category of licence, and that you have an A/C endorsed on your PPL, they may just used the same A/C for CPL. There are know cases where in people have taken ppl and in future applied for CPL on the same A/c base on the concept that he has a ppl and didn't wrote a tech specific again.
All we need to request DGCA is to issue a PPL and simultaneously issue CPL based on it & all in one go,
I am quite not sure if the CPL checks that you will Do with your CFI here in India would be valid for ppl, if not you shall be prepared for a 1 PPL check from your CFI. and an additional 5000/- DD to DGCA.
So in this way we never have to bother about writing a tech specif paper as per DGCA.
@ronak.akik2k the new rule that we are talking here is applicable from 1st April, i wouldn't recommend going to Canada, either do recency in US and give checks in India or do your entire recency in India. and for the 3rd point i am not sure for Canada, but if were planning for US then i think you could do your recency mixing both ME and SE and then come to India and give checks on either SE or ME. you should better check the recency requirements from DGCA website and see for your self with the type of A/C you were trained on and it's valid COA and what not...., but either case i would recommend figuring out your clarifications with DGCA(Mr. A. Vashisth).
Long time i have been reading about people puzzled on how to get on with the written exam on tech specific and get a CPL on SE with those having a ME CPL,
Now that you remembered, you have take a FAA SE PPL, Why not convert that ppl into an DGCA PPL first, then based on the ppl issued by DGCA, get a DGCA CPL "addon", because AS per DGCA, tech specific exam is same for any category of licence, and that you have an A/C endorsed on your PPL, they may just used the same A/C for CPL. There are know cases where in people have taken ppl and in future applied for CPL on the same A/c base on the concept that he has a ppl and didn't wrote a tech specific again.
All we need to request DGCA is to issue a PPL and simultaneously issue CPL based on it & all in one go,
I am quite not sure if the CPL checks that you will Do with your CFI here in India would be valid for ppl, if not you shall be prepared for a 1 PPL check from your CFI. and an additional 5000/- DD to DGCA.
So in this way we never have to bother about writing a tech specif paper as per DGCA.
@ronak.akik2k the new rule that we are talking here is applicable from 1st April, i wouldn't recommend going to Canada, either do recency in US and give checks in India or do your entire recency in India. and for the 3rd point i am not sure for Canada, but if were planning for US then i think you could do your recency mixing both ME and SE and then come to India and give checks on either SE or ME. you should better check the recency requirements from DGCA website and see for your self with the type of A/C you were trained on and it's valid COA and what not...., but either case i would recommend figuring out your clarifications with DGCA(Mr. A. Vashisth).
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hey i have got a FAA ME rating with SE add on and planning to do recency but if I do checks ME abroad and SE checks here in india, will I get DGCA ME CPL?? I went to DGCA office and they confused me more. Mr. Vashisht said that i can do me checks abroad and se checks in India. But, Bharadwaj Sir said dat you need to do the whole recency here in India. pls hellllppppppp..... 
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Simple question , what does the flow chart say you have to do ?
http://www.dgca.nic.in/circular/FCL1_2012.pdf
Simple question , what does the flow chart say you have to do ?
http://www.dgca.nic.in/circular/FCL1_2012.pdf
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If you look at Appendix 1 its divided into two section
A) Applicants must obtain from foreign for submission along with application
This clearly states what all you have to do abroad
B) Applicants need to do in India before submission of application
This section clearly states what you have to do in India
Now read it once again and I think you will find out whether Vashisht or Bhardwaj was right .
A) Applicants must obtain from foreign for submission along with application
This clearly states what all you have to do abroad
B) Applicants need to do in India before submission of application
This section clearly states what you have to do in India
Now read it once again and I think you will find out whether Vashisht or Bhardwaj was right .
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@flyboy 7E7
I think what the user meant to say was that one cannot get SE CPL
How else do you think someone learns to fly at an Indian flight school ?
They get a Student Pilot License first which I believe is obtained by an oral exam . However you dont have to give the oral exam if you have cleared your DGCA written exams . You can apply for it directly .
Contact one of the flying clubs for more info
I think what the user meant to say was that one cannot get SE CPL
How else do you think someone learns to fly at an Indian flight school ?
They get a Student Pilot License first which I believe is obtained by an oral exam . However you dont have to give the oral exam if you have cleared your DGCA written exams . You can apply for it directly .
Contact one of the flying clubs for more info
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^^ I would like to know the same
While we can all spend days discussing the new process/rules. things will become clear only after people go through it and post their experiences.
DGCA seems to be making a sincere effort to change in the last year or so but still a long way to go in terms of transparency.
While we can all spend days discussing the new process/rules. things will become clear only after people go through it and post their experiences.
DGCA seems to be making a sincere effort to change in the last year or so but still a long way to go in terms of transparency.
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Agreed! We need more people to post their experiences with the new rule. A recent visit to DGCA revealed that even Vashisht and S P Singh aren't clear about the rules. And Mr. Bharadwaj, as usual, is extremely non- cooperative.
I have just a ME CPL on the Duchess (sigh!!). The schools here say they won't be able to give me an SPL, and even if they do, then what? My CPL hours aren't counted. And I don't believe its possible to just do the SE Skill checks and get a SE CPL from India, coz I don't have a SE CPL on my FAA License. Is anyone else in the same situation? Maybe we could collectively think about a way to get this done ASAP. Any suggestions from the veterans?
I have just a ME CPL on the Duchess (sigh!!). The schools here say they won't be able to give me an SPL, and even if they do, then what? My CPL hours aren't counted. And I don't believe its possible to just do the SE Skill checks and get a SE CPL from India, coz I don't have a SE CPL on my FAA License. Is anyone else in the same situation? Maybe we could collectively think about a way to get this done ASAP. Any suggestions from the veterans?
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as i said earlier goto usa get a se cpl multi is damn exp here now its 35 k around with service taxes and all . i can suggest u a school get u done with all in week
as i said earlier goto usa get a se cpl multi is damn exp here now its 35 k around with service taxes and all . i can suggest u a school get u done with all in week
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anirudh, can you please tell me the schools name?
So u are saying there is no way to give single skill tests in India without a single CPL?
I looked at the flow chart & it doesn't say anything like that. And many people in the past have got Single CPL with just their Multi-commercial.
May be its the flying schools trying to extract more money by making you fly multi tests
So u are saying there is no way to give single skill tests in India without a single CPL?
I looked at the flow chart & it doesn't say anything like that. And many people in the past have got Single CPL with just their Multi-commercial.
May be its the flying schools trying to extract more money by making you fly multi tests
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I don't remember exactly which ones, but MPFC for sure and a couple of others. The rest weren't clear as to how do I go about getting my license.
Here's the thing. There is no way I get a ME CPL rating right now coz my ME isn't valid in India. So the priority would be to get a SE CPL rating first. To all who are in the same situation, maybe if anyone stays near a flying club can go ask them if its possible to get a SPL based on our PPL (FAA) here in India, give the skill tests on a SE and get a SE CPL? That would be the best way. And make sure you talk to the Senior Flight Instructor there. They are impossible to get to over the phone.
I don't remember exactly which ones, but MPFC for sure and a couple of others. The rest weren't clear as to how do I go about getting my license.
Here's the thing. There is no way I get a ME CPL rating right now coz my ME isn't valid in India. So the priority would be to get a SE CPL rating first. To all who are in the same situation, maybe if anyone stays near a flying club can go ask them if its possible to get a SPL based on our PPL (FAA) here in India, give the skill tests on a SE and get a SE CPL? That would be the best way. And make sure you talk to the Senior Flight Instructor there. They are impossible to get to over the phone.
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Respected Aviators,
All skill tests GFT DAY/NIGHT/IR on both multi and single have to be done in India now n u gotta do 250by day and 120 by night in India.(Nothing would work not even attested copies from FAA,TCCA OR CASA)
Moreover they might ask you to appear for Technical Specific exam on PA-34.
Now the trick here is don't have to get solo released frm the flying school just ask the CFI to send some student who is more experienced for x-co's or else u'll have to shell out some more frm ur pocket.
I recently got my CPL issued couple of days back and they told me to write Technical Specific for PA-34 even though i had a rating on my foreign CPL basically what I understand is that they (DGCA) want FAA/TCCA/CASA to conduct the Tech SPC. exam and your mark sheet on FAA/TC/CASA Letterhead.
Karan Sinha
All skill tests GFT DAY/NIGHT/IR on both multi and single have to be done in India now n u gotta do 250by day and 120 by night in India.(Nothing would work not even attested copies from FAA,TCCA OR CASA)
Moreover they might ask you to appear for Technical Specific exam on PA-34.
Now the trick here is don't have to get solo released frm the flying school just ask the CFI to send some student who is more experienced for x-co's or else u'll have to shell out some more frm ur pocket.
I recently got my CPL issued couple of days back and they told me to write Technical Specific for PA-34 even though i had a rating on my foreign CPL basically what I understand is that they (DGCA) want FAA/TCCA/CASA to conduct the Tech SPC. exam and your mark sheet on FAA/TC/CASA Letterhead.
Karan Sinha
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MileHi480B,
In case he is not an Indian National he could ask the other pilots working in the company.
(SKILL TESTS are something like Flight Tests done abroad, in India its called SKILL TEST except the fact that they are done in a completely different manner and does not include a written exam)
There is a book called BARE ACT which has all the rules and regulations regarding flying in India. Its a small blue coloured booklet. You can get that at ENGLISH BOOK STORE at CANAUGHT PLACE, NEW DELHI. Even if u get ur hands on an older version say 2009,2010 u still should be good for the exam.
Regards
Karan Sinha
In case he is not an Indian National he could ask the other pilots working in the company.
(SKILL TESTS are something like Flight Tests done abroad, in India its called SKILL TEST except the fact that they are done in a completely different manner and does not include a written exam)
There is a book called BARE ACT which has all the rules and regulations regarding flying in India. Its a small blue coloured booklet. You can get that at ENGLISH BOOK STORE at CANAUGHT PLACE, NEW DELHI. Even if u get ur hands on an older version say 2009,2010 u still should be good for the exam.
Regards
Karan Sinha
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@Karan23
Sofar you are the only person who has posted experience about conversion under the new rules. thanks for your contribution.
Request more ppl to tell us how its being handled at DGCA.
It makes absolutley no sense that u have to do all skill test and tech specific exams in india.
The circular clearly said skill test for at least one type, so whats their problem if i do multi checks abroad and single in india. and what is this new BS about tech-spec exams.
most foriegn regulators give open rating on license and dont even conduct type exams. its the school's job to do the exam in-house and keep it on record for audit purposes.
I swear for every step forward, DGCA takes 2 steps back.
Sofar you are the only person who has posted experience about conversion under the new rules. thanks for your contribution.
Request more ppl to tell us how its being handled at DGCA.
It makes absolutley no sense that u have to do all skill test and tech specific exams in india.
The circular clearly said skill test for at least one type, so whats their problem if i do multi checks abroad and single in india. and what is this new BS about tech-spec exams.
most foriegn regulators give open rating on license and dont even conduct type exams. its the school's job to do the exam in-house and keep it on record for audit purposes.
I swear for every step forward, DGCA takes 2 steps back.
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Recency only in India now
Hey guys im a new member
Want to share this with you...since I cleared all my papers Im now left with Recency
I was all confused about where to do my recency so today 11/6/2012 I went to DGCA
and met Mr Bhardwaj and Mr Vashisht and asked them about this new rule and how to go about, he is like
* You have to do your single and multi training IN INDIA
* Now since you going to fly the multi in India you have to give technical(specific)
paper also
* You cant do your recency abroad anymore
* You dont need to have a UID card at the time of document submission its not
required anymore.
I told them all this is not there on your dgca website, they are like yes we know but this is what its going to be.
This is what they told me
Some guys told me that if one does his multi abroad and single engine in India then he/she will only be granted single engine endorsement on his/her license not the multi
In some cases if you did your multi abroad you will be delayed to get your license
Well im not sure how far thats true
Now that its clear we have to do the recency in India, I think its better to get SE CPL for Indian License and we already have Multi Endorsement in our foreign license. so no big deal if we dont have it on Indian license too. Im sure Airlines when hiring wont make a big fuss out of it like dgca...
and we now need to find a good flying school in India where we can do our flying and finish it in time.
Do lemme know what you guys think about getting SE CPL only on the Indian License.
Cheers!
Want to share this with you...since I cleared all my papers Im now left with Recency
I was all confused about where to do my recency so today 11/6/2012 I went to DGCA
and met Mr Bhardwaj and Mr Vashisht and asked them about this new rule and how to go about, he is like
* You have to do your single and multi training IN INDIA
* Now since you going to fly the multi in India you have to give technical(specific)
paper also
* You cant do your recency abroad anymore
* You dont need to have a UID card at the time of document submission its not
required anymore.
I told them all this is not there on your dgca website, they are like yes we know but this is what its going to be.
This is what they told me
Some guys told me that if one does his multi abroad and single engine in India then he/she will only be granted single engine endorsement on his/her license not the multi
In some cases if you did your multi abroad you will be delayed to get your license
Well im not sure how far thats true
Now that its clear we have to do the recency in India, I think its better to get SE CPL for Indian License and we already have Multi Endorsement in our foreign license. so no big deal if we dont have it on Indian license too. Im sure Airlines when hiring wont make a big fuss out of it like dgca...
and we now need to find a good flying school in India where we can do our flying and finish it in time.
Do lemme know what you guys think about getting SE CPL only on the Indian License.
Cheers!
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I have already finished my recency flights in India and did all my Skill tests on a PA-34........i submitted my application for the issue last week..now as per the new rule they wont issue me the licence unless i clear my PA-34 paper correct?............but does that mean i can clear my paper in the next attempt and im good to go? or do i have to do the entire recency again.............