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CX SO: All you need to know

Old 16th Feb 2014, 09:40
  #121 (permalink)  
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 45
Yeah, call me kid. I'm sure 99% of the current pilots lived with their parents and worked at Tescos until they were 39. You're hilarious. You have no idea what some people have been through. You really think everyone that joins the industry these days is a fresh faced 18 year old with no life experience. You sir are the arrogant and ignorant one. Pull your head out of your arse.

I beg to differ. I think your whole argument mainly boils down to being all about YOU, and what's best for YOU.
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Old 16th Feb 2014, 10:39
  #122 (permalink)  
Join Date: Mar 2011
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Last throw of the dice with you kid, fella, whatever..... Pompous 39 year old banker who made millions and now playing at being Mr CX "Dangerman" Pilot Dude? Perhaps? (I'd hate to second guess your circumstances....!!! However such iCadets do exist, don't they!)

No, I don't know everyone's circumstance but I do know what it once took to get a job at CX. You cannot fathom it & whats more don't care to. If (say) you are 39 years of age and on struggle street as a pilot maybe that says more about your ability than misfortunate circumstance? Still what does that say if someone at age 39 cannot secure a job as a pilot anywhere else but CX take him as an iCadet?

The "starving artist" argument does't wash. Your art is crap. That's why no one buys it. Starving pilot on 400 GBP a month as you were? Same argument. You couldn't get a job anywhere else because standards & experience were too high so you went where they were low enough.

Not about me. I voted with my feet. As did 59/60 of us.

P!ssed off? A care about CX? Hell no. Everyone I know who works there hates the way the are treated. Add to that the direct & undeniable pressures C-Scale places on their CoS??!! They've lost more job security through the likes of you.

What annoys me & why I have posted here so often is the likes of you are a plague on the profession and industry. You drive down the standards, the integrity and conditions of the job in order to get what you couldn't before and need such pathetic standards to get by.

You took what we turned down as an insult & slur against the profession and define it as an opportunity.

Remember kid, fella, banker, "Dangerman Pilot Dude", no matter how you defend it you are still the cheapest bum in a seat. Nothing more.
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Old 20th Feb 2014, 18:21
  #123 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jul 2007
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ChinaB does have a valid point on a crucial matter; icadets are not pilots in the accepted sense and will live with the sub-grade stamp for the rest of their career. In the same way that a burger flipper at McDonald's will never be a chefs, icadets will never enter the realm of 'flyers' except in the words of turned pilot managers who financially gain from their seat occupation.

It's not personal. They just don't have the experience to qualify their judgement, nor the skill to save the day when computers and SOPs fall short. And if anybody with experience in training and checking tells you different then they're lying. At the end of the day you get what you pay for.

Sure. There may be a prodogy or two with golden hands and wisdom far beyond his years, but they are far between and certainly do not reflect our average one striper.

If the future is icadets then the future is pilotless.
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Old 21st Feb 2014, 08:39
  #124 (permalink)  
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 337

Spot no with your assessment it's also respect and acceptance that you require from fellow Professionals which is highly coveted.

Bottom line: DO WE TRUST THEM?
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Old 21st Feb 2014, 12:58
  #125 (permalink)  
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Over Parafield
Age: 27
Posts: 79
A little background

I suppose you do not permanently reside in Hong Kong, but still maintains some connections since you do have buddies that work in Cathay Pacific.

It might be a drag for you since you preferred not to disclose it, but may I have a small hint of your background (where are you from and what do you fly now)
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Old 21st Jul 2014, 14:34
  #126 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jun 2014
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I get what you mean about how icadets may have to live with a certain stigma. However that does not mean they are bad pilots. What's the difference between a pilot who had to pay his way through training compared to someone who was sponsored by an airline. The former commands more respect than the latter but other than that I can't see why an icadet can't be just as good as a pilot who trained him/herself.
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Old 21st Jul 2014, 19:59
  #127 (permalink)  
Join Date: May 2003
Location: KGRB, but on the road about 1/2 the time.
Age: 56
Posts: 601
So cadets have 1 stripe...I have never seen any.When they start on the CX flight deck, do they have 2 or 1 stripe? I think FEs used to have 2 stripes in the US. Is a new cadet on the flt deck serve as an FO relief pilot? And later is promoted to FO, and then to cruise captain, and then captain...it's that correct? I am US and not so knowledgeable about foreign ops. I fly to HKG a lot....and PVG and CGO...those are our most regular China stops
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Old 25th Jul 2014, 04:50
  #128 (permalink)  
Join Date: May 2009
Location: HKG
Age: 42
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Second officers have one stripe, after about 4 years promoted to Junior FO with two stripes, six - eight months after that promoted to FO with three stripes. At least you are focusing on the important things if planning to apply to CX.

What's the difference between a pilot who had to pay his way through training compared to someone who was sponsored by an airline.
You are right there is no difference in what you say. Some cadets are good, some not so good as initially real world experience is severely lacking. If however someone who joined as a cadet makes it all the way to the dizzy heights of captain with CX you can be sure they are there because they are able and competent, having gained a lot of experience working for the airline.

What you are actually referring to is not the method of training or who paid for it but what happened after the training. A cadet will join CX as an SO with a couple of hundred hours. Having flown around Adelaide in good weather doing pretty benign things, circuits, couple of good weather x-countries, some night landings in good weather etc etc. A non cadet SO would have done the same things during training but after that spent the next 5-10 years flying in the real world, light twins, twin turboprops, regional jets/turboprops in all maner of weather and in all maner of circumstances. Frieght/airline ops/military/aid work etc etc etc. After gaining at least 3000hrs doing this flying they join CX as an SO.

It is not about who paid for the training but what happened next, that is why some cadets are incompetent. Some, not all.
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Old 8th Sep 2014, 02:41
  #129 (permalink)  
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Adelaide
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what are the abbreviations?

Hello may I kindly ask what do RQ, ADD, PADDs, DDG stand for?
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Old 9th Sep 2014, 13:01
  #130 (permalink)  
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Vietnam
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Respiratory quotient, attention deficit disorder and petroleum administration for defense districts. The last one is either drop dead gorgeous or Dandong Langtou airport.
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Old 10th Nov 2014, 19:24
  #131 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Every place but home
Age: 42
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S/O final interview

I have recently been invited to HK for the final interview for the Transition training course. Was looking to get a heads up from some one who has done the interview recently or knows what to expect.

I understand there is aptitude testing, is the the same as Skytests?

Any help would be greatly appreciated and I thank you in advance.
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Old 11th Nov 2014, 16:45
  #132 (permalink)  
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CX SO interview 14

Any one here been to HK for the CX SO interview this year. Was looking for some info. If so please PM me..... Thanks in advance.
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Old 11th Nov 2014, 16:45
  #133 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Every place but home
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CX SO interview 14

Any one here been to HK for the CX SO interview this year. Was looking for some info. If so please PM me..... Thanks in advance.
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