All you need to Know about DGCA CPL Conversion (DOs & Donts)
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I have a problem with my documents??
Hey guys...I have done my flying from USA...the problem is i have done it from 3 different schools..
the school i did from in the first place has closed down..
Now i have to submit my documents for conversion to DGCA..is it possible if i submit all the documents certified and verified by FAA instead of ant school.. Will DGCA accept my documents??
the school i did from in the first place has closed down..
Now i have to submit my documents for conversion to DGCA..is it possible if i submit all the documents certified and verified by FAA instead of ant school.. Will DGCA accept my documents??
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Hey DJ,
I wanted to ask what these certificates are supposed to look like? One piece of paper that celebrates getting 200 hrs TT etc? or will one letter including all of the certificate items be enough if its endorsed by the chief pilot. I got really funny looks from the people who work in the flight department of my university when i told them about the requirements. Their initial answer was "we don't do that here". Do the nice people at the DGCA just need PROOF of what we've done and so they asked for a cert? also, wouldn't it be clear as day, that you meet the requirements if its all in your logbook? i managed to get that sealed and signed by the chief pilot too. what are "all details" on a cross country supposed to be? Is the flight school that I went to supposed to use the CA40 form for all my checkrides? can i substitute it with something in-house? CA39 verification by my CFI...I had 8 over 2 years. what do i do with that? I'm sure there are quite a few pilots out there who have done their training in the states, who know how incompatible the Indian system is with the high functional, easy to understand american system. Any clarification would be good. btw...theres a new conversion flow chart out. http://dgca.nic.in/circular/FCL1_2012.pdf
explains a couple this more clearly. i don't know why India has to be special and won't believe the legitimacy of training provided in other countries.
cheers, happy landings.
I wanted to ask what these certificates are supposed to look like? One piece of paper that celebrates getting 200 hrs TT etc? or will one letter including all of the certificate items be enough if its endorsed by the chief pilot. I got really funny looks from the people who work in the flight department of my university when i told them about the requirements. Their initial answer was "we don't do that here". Do the nice people at the DGCA just need PROOF of what we've done and so they asked for a cert? also, wouldn't it be clear as day, that you meet the requirements if its all in your logbook? i managed to get that sealed and signed by the chief pilot too. what are "all details" on a cross country supposed to be? Is the flight school that I went to supposed to use the CA40 form for all my checkrides? can i substitute it with something in-house? CA39 verification by my CFI...I had 8 over 2 years. what do i do with that? I'm sure there are quite a few pilots out there who have done their training in the states, who know how incompatible the Indian system is with the high functional, easy to understand american system. Any clarification would be good. btw...theres a new conversion flow chart out. http://dgca.nic.in/circular/FCL1_2012.pdf
explains a couple this more clearly. i don't know why India has to be special and won't believe the legitimacy of training provided in other countries.
cheers, happy landings.
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It takes about 1-2 months for your application to be processed.
This place is a joke. Money making scam full of paperwork and bull sh
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Customs officials at major airports look like navy commanders !! Only thing they command is the pen in their pockets.....Freaking signatures over and over on tons of paper....wasted trees
This place is a joke. Money making scam full of paperwork and bull sh
TCustoms officials at major airports look like navy commanders !! Only thing they command is the pen in their pockets.....Freaking signatures over and over on tons of paper....wasted trees
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100 hrs PIC or 100 Hrs Solo?
In my research, I have found that the DGCA does not adhere to its own regulations regarding PIC time as per Aircraft Rule 1937 - 67A subpart (6) which clearly states that
"Flight time spent in performing, under supervision of a pilot-in-command, the duties and functions of a pilot-in-command may be logged as pilot-in-command provided the person is entitled and authorized to fly in command of that type of aeroplane by virtue of the ratings and privileges of his pilot’s license".
The DGCA seems to ask for 100 hours of Solo time as per the "APPLICATION FOR THE ISSUE/ CONVERSION OF COMMERCIAL PILOT’S LICENCE (AEROPLANE) with INSTRUMENT RATING / without INSTRUMENT RATING" in item number 12, however in Flight Crew Licensing Circular 1 of 2012 "FCL_1_2012", there is no mention of 100 hours solo time being a requirement for conversion of a foreign license to an Indian one.
Anyone care to comment? Any suggestions? Anyone tried to fight this?
"Flight time spent in performing, under supervision of a pilot-in-command, the duties and functions of a pilot-in-command may be logged as pilot-in-command provided the person is entitled and authorized to fly in command of that type of aeroplane by virtue of the ratings and privileges of his pilot’s license".
The DGCA seems to ask for 100 hours of Solo time as per the "APPLICATION FOR THE ISSUE/ CONVERSION OF COMMERCIAL PILOT’S LICENCE (AEROPLANE) with INSTRUMENT RATING / without INSTRUMENT RATING" in item number 12, however in Flight Crew Licensing Circular 1 of 2012 "FCL_1_2012", there is no mention of 100 hours solo time being a requirement for conversion of a foreign license to an Indian one.
Anyone care to comment? Any suggestions? Anyone tried to fight this?
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It has been fought hard by me, which is why they brought out the new "rule" which I guess somehow supersedes it.
I was forced to do the hours solo and only then was the license issued. Long hard battle to no avail.
I was forced to do the hours solo and only then was the license issued. Long hard battle to no avail.
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CPL conversion in india 200 hours in 5 years rule
I did my flying from 2007 to 2009
CPL in Canada was issued in 2009
My CPL is valid currently.
According to DGCA website - 200 hous have to be in last preceding 5 years.
Does someone have experience with this and can advise me If my license is valid i can still convert or i cannot because hours have lapsed.
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CPL Conversion- Indian to NZ.
I have a doubt. VERY SILLY...but still. I am new to aviation business. Too young!
After converting an Indian CPL to New Zealand CPL, is the CPL valid in BOTH the countries? Meaning, can I apply for a commercial airline of India AND New Zealand BOTH ???
Also,
What is a FROZEN ATPL ?
After converting an Indian CPL to New Zealand CPL, is the CPL valid in BOTH the countries? Meaning, can I apply for a commercial airline of India AND New Zealand BOTH ???
Also,
What is a FROZEN ATPL ?
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The short answer to your first question is yes.
Frozen ATPL means that you have cleared the written/viva voce exams but have not yet gained the requisite real time experience (hours) to actually be issued with an ATPL.
Frozen ATPL means that you have cleared the written/viva voce exams but have not yet gained the requisite real time experience (hours) to actually be issued with an ATPL.
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Simulator time in log book.
Hey guys! I've written down my time done on sim and got each and every entry signed but forgot to get it stamped in my dgca log book. I do have a certificate which has my hours authenticated and stamped by my school CFI. Will this be an issue during conversion?
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@ Bored Aviator
This is one the many Grey areas that exists among the various rules in Indian DGCA
The DGCA has always asked for Sole Occupant on board whenever it refers to PIC time ( for issue of CPL and below ) even though the rules say otherwise.
One reason for this is because in India everyone goes straight from a Student Pilot License to CPL . I am sure you must be knowing even in foreign countries the holder of a Student Pilot License cannot log PIC unless you fly as sole occupant.
A friend of mine who learnt to fly in Canada faced the same issue . He approached the Director General Mr. Arun Mishra back then and managed to get the CPL.
But the DTL section issued the CPL without IR.
The Director General then changed and he was faced with no option but to approach the courts.
It took almost two years but he finally won the case and was issued his Instrument rating last year
You can read the case details here
https://app.box.com/s/tmrco08bkzsxpgd9q41ictsvzyumwje5
You can approach the DGCA with a copy of the same.
If you feel that you don't get any respite you can approach the Ministry of Civil Aviation for relief
This is one the many Grey areas that exists among the various rules in Indian DGCA
The DGCA has always asked for Sole Occupant on board whenever it refers to PIC time ( for issue of CPL and below ) even though the rules say otherwise.
One reason for this is because in India everyone goes straight from a Student Pilot License to CPL . I am sure you must be knowing even in foreign countries the holder of a Student Pilot License cannot log PIC unless you fly as sole occupant.
A friend of mine who learnt to fly in Canada faced the same issue . He approached the Director General Mr. Arun Mishra back then and managed to get the CPL.
But the DTL section issued the CPL without IR.
The Director General then changed and he was faced with no option but to approach the courts.
It took almost two years but he finally won the case and was issued his Instrument rating last year
You can read the case details here
https://app.box.com/s/tmrco08bkzsxpgd9q41ictsvzyumwje5
You can approach the DGCA with a copy of the same.
If you feel that you don't get any respite you can approach the Ministry of Civil Aviation for relief
