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Dragonair Pre-qualified Cadets

Old 10th Dec 2010, 13:26
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What address did you e-mail KA at?
There wasn't anywhere to list total time that I could see on the application form, just space for flying training, with what I assumed was hours flown during each particular training.
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Old 10th Dec 2010, 13:27
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How many hours of PIC and night time are they looking for?
Will there be any other requirements like PIC U/S hours?
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Old 10th Dec 2010, 16:41
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Wg 100, check your mail for the email address.
KA sent me the 'Flying experience' sheet once I got accepted for the PreCadet Application.

100 PIC and 10 Night time
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Old 10th Dec 2010, 19:34
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Thanks for that. I'll drop them a line to see whether my application is likely to get processed, or if they are holding everything for now.

Oh, and n.dave. How has your application progressed?
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Old 10th Dec 2010, 22:44
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My application is on hold at the moment unless I have enough hours. So frustrating after finished flight training that cost me £££££s my UK frozen ATPL is not enough to convert to HK CPL.
Been sending an email to HKCAD to see whether my licence and my hours are enough to convince them for a HK CPL.
(Hey wg100, you in UK right? Have you tried Aer Lingus. They were hiring low hours FOs. I'm waiting anxiously for their call)
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Old 11th Dec 2010, 10:14
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How many more hours do you need? What are the HK CAD requirements for license conversion?

Yes, I'm in the UK and in the same boat as you.
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Old 11th Dec 2010, 11:06
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How many more hours do you need? What are the HK CAD requirements for license conversion?
It's all set out in CAD54:

Flying experience requirements for CPL: Part 3 Chapter 1 section 1.6

Flying experience requirements for IR: Part 3 Chapter 10 section 10.4

Licence conversion application docs: Part 3 Chapter 3 section 3.8

Now, here comes the fun part. Go to the CAD website, locate and download CAD54 (a pdf document). First guy who finds all the answers to the above questions and posts the answers on PPRuNe gets a bottle of champagne. The rest of you, ask him all the questions you need to know about converting your licence.

I have offered this prize to many student pilots but all of them have done nothing but wait for the champagne winner to give them all the answers.
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Old 11th Dec 2010, 11:43
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Flying experience requirements for CPL: Part 3 Chapter 1 section 1.6

The minimum flying experience required for the issue of a Hong Kong CPL(A) is 250 hours. This may be reduced to 200 hours where the applicant has completed an integrated course of flight and ground training approved by the Hong Kong CAD. These minimum hour requirements are to include the following flying hours obtained in aeroplanes:-
(a) 100 hours as PIC or PIC U/S, of which, 70 hours must be as PIC. In the case of a Hong Kong CAD approved CPL/IR training, such hourscan be reduced to 90 hours as PIC of which 20 hours can be SPIC;
(b) 35 hours cross-country flying as PIC, PIC U/S or SPIC of which 30 hours must be PIC. This cross-country flying should include a flight as PIC on a route of 300 nm completed in a single day, in the course of which the aeroplane landed and came to rest at not less than two intermediate and different aerodromes;
(c) 10 hours night flying as PIC, PIC U/S, SPIC or P U/T, of which five hours must be as PIC. This night flying must include 10 take-offs and 10 landings without assistance, and two cross-country flights as PIC or PIC U/S or SPIC terminating at an aerodrome a minimum distance of 65 nm from the point of departure. It must also include three hours
night dual of which one hour must be navigation training; and
(d) 10 hours instrument flying as P U/T in aeroplanes.
1.6.2. The remainder may comprise flight time as either PIC, PIC U/S, SPIC or P U/T
counted in full, or P2 counted at half rate.
1.6.3. SPIC (Student Pilot-in-command) refers to the flight time obtained in a Hong Kong CAD approved CPL/IR training during which the flight instructor on board the aircraft will only observe the student acting as pilot-in-commandand must not influence or control the flight of the aircraft.
Flying experience requirements for IR: Part 3 Chapter 10 section 10.4
The minimum flying experience required for grant of an IR(A) is 250 hours. This may be reduced to 200 hours where the applicant has completed an integrated course of flight and ground training approved by the Hong Kong
CAD. These minimum hour requirements must include:-
(a) 100 hours as PIC or PIC U/S, of which 50 hours must be cross-country flying as PIC; and
(b) 40 hours as pilot by sole reference to instruments, of which 20 hours may be in an approved flight simulator or approved procedure trainer. The instrument ground time shall be under the supervision of an instructor acceptable to the CAD.
Licence conversion application docs: Part 3 Chapter 3 section 3.8
The holder of a foreign professional pilot's licence applying for a Hong Kong licence must submit Form DCA 218 (with a recent full face photograph attached) together with:
(a) a cheque for the appropriate fee made payable to “The Government of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region”;
(b) proof of nationality;
(c) copy of the pilot’s licence offered for conversion, to include evidence of:
(i) a civil Instrument Rating (Aeroplanes) or an equivalent flight test which included testing on VOR, NDB and ILS taken in a multi-engined civil registered aircraft, an approved civilian flight simulator, or a military multi-engined transport type aircraft with an equivalent
civil version; and in each case the flight test was conducted by a civil aviation Authorized Examiner and the last date of test to be within the six years preceding the date of application;
(ii) a multi-engined Aircraft Rating; and
(iii) a Medical Certificate
(d) copy of the Flight Radiotelephony Operator’s Licence offered for conversion;
(e) copy of all the examinations results passed for the issue of the licence;
(f) copy of the last six months entries of the applicant’s personal flying log book;
(g) completed form DCA 605; and
(h) completed form DCA 530.


You are right, that was fun!

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Old 11th Dec 2010, 13:28
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damit you are too fast Jabiman!

Can anybody clarify whether UK's SPIC is the same as HK's SPIC time, please?

@ wg100, still got 50 pic and 5 night time to do. Doesn't make sense after I got frozen atpl + mcc + joc. If full SPIC time is counted towards PIC then I can easily do the night times.

@Reverseflight, how can student claim their rewards?????
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Old 11th Dec 2010, 14:57
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So, from Part 3 Chapter 1 section 1.6, an integrated course allows for a reduced time requirement for license issue (as it does in the UK). So I guess the next question would be to ask the HK CAD which FTO is considered to be approved. OAA provide training in Australia, so does the approval of OAA extend company wide...?

I guess the other option would be to pay your $170 and try to get a license converted...
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Old 12th Dec 2010, 13:57
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Jabiman is fast becoming the knowledge guru even before the champagne winner is announced ! Yeah, keep those questions flooding in !

@Reverseflight, how can student claim their rewards?????
So you want the champagne as well as the answers to your questions, eh ?
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Old 13th Dec 2010, 11:35
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Lol I'm a light weight on drinks even though I consider myself to be British.
You didn't really answer my question though.
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Old 13th Dec 2010, 19:30
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Before I was thinking of submitting my application one semester before graduation.
Now seems like they won't interview you and give you a conditional offer if you are a little short on hours, right?
I will try to submit early anyway, gotta seize every chance.

and does anyone know 10 hrs of instrument training have to be real IMC or it can be under the hood? I have heard different versions...
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Old 16th Dec 2010, 03:34
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and does anyone know 10 hrs of instrument training have to be real IMC or it can be under the hood?
The wording in CAD54 is "10 hours instrument flying as P U/T in aeroplanes." Whether it is real IMC or under the hood is therefore irrelevant as long as it is an instrument flight as pilot under training.

As no one seems to be eager to offer you the answers, I would rightfully claim to be the winner of the bottle of champagne.
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Old 30th Dec 2010, 05:04
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January course

Hey,

Just wondering if anyone else will be leaving for adelaide on the 8th Jan.

cheers
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Old 18th Jan 2011, 00:58
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Advanced flight grading

Two thirds of the way through flight grading, 3 more flights to go.

So far so good.

If anyone is interested, I'll be happy to write down exactly what the flight grading entails.

Any takers?

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Old 18th Jan 2011, 03:02
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Rookie

Hi Rookie,

I would be very interested. Would you be able to PM me please? Cheers
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Old 18th Jan 2011, 05:31
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i would be interested in that as well! Awaiting results from the pre-flight grading stages.

Cheers,
Crawford

Send me PM as well?
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Old 18th Jan 2011, 08:37
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sure guys, i'll send the info to you this weekend when my grading has finished, In detail
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Old 18th Jan 2011, 13:58
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gd luck mate. Keep it up!!almost there!
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