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Dragonair (KA) recruitment?

Old 3rd Jul 2018, 10:14
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Does anyone know if it is a must for applicant to pass both Tech quiz and cut e test in order to have chance for Initial test in Cathay Dragon after taking them in Cathay Pacific?
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Old 3rd Jul 2018, 14:27
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Originally Posted by divergent
Unfortunately yes. You will need to pass the initial assessment with Cathay, otherwise you will have to wait for a minimum period of 6 months before your KA application would be considered. Also, since both airlines are now using the same aptitude test, you are not required to resit the test twice if you have applied for KA. You can request them to transfer your scores to your KA application.
With that being said, is that there's no need to retake the aptitude test after transferring those scores and will go to the next round in KA? Base on my knowledge KA does not have tech quiz but the aptitude test only on initial right?
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Old 4th Jul 2018, 11:47
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Wait, I thought Dragon has the same interview stages as CX, could someone kindly clarify what their interview process is like in comparison to the CX one?
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Old 29th Jul 2018, 09:28
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Hi all, just wondering if anyone would be able to shed some light on this as my response was that it's company policy to not give any feedback to applicants.

So what happened was, I passed the initial test for the Cathay Dragon CPP, after which they made me pay almost $2000 for the ICAO test off-site for which I got a Grade 5 (highest is 6). Thinking that this must be sufficient I got a response one month later to say that they are unable t proceed with my application! What gives?

Has anyone else been on the same boat as this doesn't seem to make any sense at all.

Thanks indeed for any info at all on this.
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Old 30th Jul 2018, 08:26
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Originally Posted by divergent
Well, the only possible explanation for this is - they want level 6. Sorry to hear that. Best luck next year.
Thanks Divergent, that's a very fair observation I suppose. So I take it the waiting period for re-application is one year?
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 15:08
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Originally Posted by divergent
Well, the only possible explanation for this is - they want level 6. Sorry to hear that. Best luck next year.
It wasn’t the ICAO test. We have plenty of pilots at KA that are not ICAO level 6.
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Old 10th Aug 2018, 09:42
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Thank you cykstudent for the information. If I didn't pass the first stage I can't see why they would send me through for the ICAO test. Or unless I was just put through to make up for numbers... that at my cost of 2,000 and large serving of false hope
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Old 10th Aug 2018, 19:00
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does anyone know if KA is still interviewing applicants for the 2018 intake? I applied for the 2019 intake two weeks ago and have yet to hear anything..... anyone on the same boat as me?
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 07:16
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I applied back in mid July and still waiting for an invitation. I'm pretty sure they're wrapping up 2018 intake.
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Old 12th Aug 2018, 07:17
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Originally Posted by CharlieXray777
Thank you cykstudent for the information. If I didn't pass the first stage I can't see why they would send me through for the ICAO test. Or unless I was just put through to make up for numbers... that at my cost of 2,000 and large serving of false hope
I don't get this, what other assessments did you do apart from Cut-e and ICAO?
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 03:47
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Thumbs up KA cadet study group

Hi guys, I am planning to apply KA cadet soon, if anyone would like to form a study group feel free to PM me. Cheers

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Old 29th Sep 2018, 19:04
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Originally Posted by zxcfg21
I applied back in mid July and still waiting for an invitation. I'm pretty sure they're wrapping up 2018 intake.
Have you heard back anything from them? I applied in mid Sept.
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Old 30th Sep 2018, 08:45
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Originally Posted by bl2998
Hi guys, I am planning to apply for KA cadet soon, if anyone would like to form a study group feel free to PM me. Cheers

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Hello, i am interested to join, my telegram is @lknman. Thanks!
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 06:03
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Originally Posted by chermaine
Have you heard back anything from them? I applied in mid Sept.
Yeah just to confirm, no reply as of yet.
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 10:26
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Telegram

I am having test in end of Oct, please add me on telegram too.
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Old 4th Oct 2018, 07:27
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Originally Posted by angela521
I am having test in end of Oct, please add me on telegram too.
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Hey Angela,
Did you apply for both CX and KA? Also which one replied to your application for 1A?
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 07:19
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For those looking to apply to Cathay/Dragon, I just want to show you the new contract that was just released and you will be joining on. It's called COS18 and is full of many clauses. In my opinion it is a severe degradation to previous contracts as your time as an SO is no longer based on seniority, but how many hours you work in a year. The pay has been reduced to a lower salary with higher hourly wages so that in order to get the pay they quote, you need to make sure you work all of those hours. Any agreements the union comes to on behalf of the pilot body will not benefit those on COS18 unless they are specifically mentioned in writing. The company can employee direct entry captains if they want, which will slow your upgrade time as well. There is a final clause that states Cathay can amend the rules anytime they want. I will just post here the summary so you may see for yourselves. I am not trying to stop you, but rather let you know what you are getting into ahead of time. These are just some of the comparisons. Keep in mind all ab initio will have to pay for their training, will not get HKPA for the first three years (unless you join Cathay Dragon as they no longer will have Second Officers) and the company will doc you 16,000HKD per month until your training is paid off. training plus HKPA loss is $30,000HKD/mo less money.....just so you know up front. Good luck to you. I have attached the actual contract that you will be signing if you do choose to join. You can take a look and make your decision. Please keep in mind, there are other airlines with cadet programs, and for those with hours, strongly consider looking around before making your final decision. Wish you all the best.


“....some SO mates of mine sent me this. They did some digging and this is doing the rounds amongst the SO ranks...


* PXing is now J class only for CN, FO & SO and potential downgrade to PEY is acceptable. (No longer offering F class if available for CN and FO. Our current contract they must fly you back home in no lower than businesss class, whereas the new contract you may operate a long haul flight, and then fly back in economy as a passenger.
* Have to earn sick days. 2 per month in 1st year then 4 per month in 2nd year onwards. 120 Days max can be accrued. (COS08 allows up to 126 days)
* If you are medical unable to fly, the company have the right to assign you full-time ground duties.
* Reserve payment does not occur until after 30 days free reserve in rolling 12 months. They would have to roster and NOT call you in 5 x (6 day reserve blocks) every 12 months for you to even have a sniff at the Reserve day payment. Highly unlikely……
* Positioning allowance (0.25 x Excess Block Hour Rate) will only be paid if Actual Block Hours + Positioning Hours is above the minimum monthly block hours.
* The annual package and payment calculations the company are using in their tables all include P fund contributions and averaging 74 block hours a month (777). Making it look a lot better than it really is.
* Cadets in FTA now have to supply their own uniform (white shirt and navy pants) for the duration of their training.
* A note was made that ANY officer can become a Check and Trainer now.
* Also make note that any one on COS18 can be sent to a Cathay Group airline at any time for training or resource planning requirements. I.e. Air Hong Kong or Cathay Dragon.
* Promotion from within a rank (i.e. SO1 to SO2, FO1 to FO2) is based on Actual Block Hours not anniversary year of service. So work more if you want to be promoted to next pay scale.
* Different Block Hour Rate (after the minimum of 51 block hours a month for 777) for different fleets. 777 being the lowest, then Airbus and 747 getting the most per hour pay after the minimum monthly block hours.
* Target annual block hours 777 = 880 per year (Min. Monthly Block Hours - 51.33)
* Target annual block hours Airbus = 840 per year (Min. Monthly Block Hours - 49)
* Target annual block hours 747 = 725 per year (Min. Monthly Block Hours - 42.29)
* No Overtime. Excess Block Hour Pay is only one figure and not a tiered system. So it will be the same per hour beginning from Minimum Monthly Hours (51hrs on 777) up to 100+ hrs per month is all paid at the same hourly rate (SO1 = $611 per hour)
* No longer a JFO pay or Rank.
* The company has the right to employ DEFO and DECN
* If you swap away duties and it results in you going below your minimum monthly block hours, your pay will be deducted accordingly.
* Annual productivity bonus is only paid if the above mentioned target block hours for each fleet is exceeded and then multiplied by 0.5 of the Block Hour Rate. So hypothetically if you are on 777 and maxed out at 900 hours. You would get 20 hrs extra calculated at your 0.5 Excess Block Hour Rate and that would be your annual bonus. e.g. SO1 (777) = 20 x $305= $6,100. CN1 (777) = 20 x $710 = $14,200.
* This Annual Productivity Bonus is not discretionary and MUST be paid at the end of every year.
* Although company can alter the Target Block Hours as they see fit without any consultation with HKAOA.
* Discretionary Year End Bonus (13th Month) is still available + the Annual Productivity Bonus.
* P fund reduced to 5%- 10% depending on joining rank. (if you are ab initio you get 5% if you are AE/TT you will get 10%. Currently we all get 15.5%)
* No mention of Bypass Pay in any Rank. - if someone upgrades before you, you get no compensation. Whereas now if they upgrade out of seniority, the person who was bypassed will be paid the next level. (FO on CAPT salary until he becomes a capt)
* Snapshot of COS18 left out the line (21.2. The Company will meet the cost of aircraft type endorsements.) under the training section. Could this mean type conversion will mean you are type frozen and bonded to the company for x amount of years to recuperate costs of conversion?
* Given that COS18 employees will effectively only get paid the same as COS08 employees, they will effectively become the ones to pickup the drip and drapes of the duties. COS08 employees will be rostered to fly their max 84 hours before they start rostering COS18 guys because if they don’t exceed there Minimum Monthly Block Hours then the company instantly saves money every month.
* Interesting to see how swaps will be managed also Will CC disapprove swaps now if you tried to swap a duty with a COS18 employee that would push them above their Minimum Monthly Block Hours and incur the company extra $$ whilst we still get paid effectively the same with less work due to our higher fixed based cost point?
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Old 7th Oct 2018, 07:21
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COS18 actual contract

Just wanted everyone to actually see the contract they will be joining on. Full transparency as cathay calls it. Cathay and Dragons new contract will no be the same. I strongly urge everyone to take a look so you are not blind sided when you do join. If you decide Cathay Dragon is for you, then I can not argue. But I do hope you take a look at a few other carriers in the area (for those with flying experience). Good luck to you all.
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Old 14th Oct 2018, 20:59
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Originally Posted by flyera359
Just wanted everyone to actually see the contract they will be joining on. Full transparency as cathay calls it. Cathay and Dragons new contract will no be the same. I strongly urge everyone to take a look so you are not blind sided when you do join. If you decide Cathay Dragon is for you, then I can not argue. But I do hope you take a look at a few other carriers in the area (for those with flying experience). Good luck to you all.
Wait so there's only 2 steps of pay for SO, 2 for FO, and only 4 steps for Captain? Captain 4 pay is as high as it ever goes? This whole thing is absolute garbage. Wow.
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Old 5th Nov 2018, 02:06
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Wait so there's only 2 steps of pay for SO, 2 for FO, and only 4 steps for Captain? Captain 4 pay is as high as it ever goes? This whole thing is absolute garbage. Wow.
And as part of the contract, any pay rises negotiated by the AOA on behalf of the pilots will not be awarded to COS18 Pilots (unless the company specifically states that COS18 operators will be given a raise) In the future as the older pilots begin retiring and everyone is on COS18 (or whatever the new cos is by then) Cathay will not be required to negotiate or give raises (as stipulated in the contract). So yes, that will be the highest your pay will go.
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