Cathay Pacific Cadet Pilot Programme
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Stage 2 31/1
Anyone doing stage II on 31/1, I suggest we meet up and practice together.
Kindly send me a private message if you are doing Stage II on that day.
See you, thx
Kindly send me a private message if you are doing Stage II on that day.
See you, thx
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Well said gents. These cadet program and even eventually all pilot positions at CX should be for locals only. In looking at this thread, the whiniest people are the expats who complain about not having this or that, but they forget they make much more than HK’s average household income even if they don’t get any longer the housing allowance. People like Dan Buster should just go elsewhere if they want to complain about CX. Sad to see that foreigners feel entitled to something that should be for the locals only.
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If someone is more qualified than a local, why shouldn't he get in? Please don't say that it's a huge conspiracy and expats were being chosen over local people, the expats that got into the Ab-initio program got in because they were better that the other candidates, if an expat is more qualified than a local then the expat should get the job no?
No it didn't sabotage their dream, why is it a problem if half the cadets are expats? If they are more qualified than the local candidates then what is the problem? It wasn't sabotage rather an increase in competition, if you're good enough then you should be able to get in, the cadet program is not an easy pass to becoming a pilot and the job should go to the best candidate.
English is the language of aviation, it is also the main language spoken at cathay if you don't speak it very well then you're going to struggle, even ICAO level 4 is a bit on the iffy side when working for an airline like Cathay. Again it's about qualifications if an expat speaks better English than a local then what is the problem.
Cathay becoming an only local airline? Highly doubtful, firstly its run by swire which is an English company and secondly there simply aren't enough candidates to do it, qualified pilots or qualified cadets.
I was born and raised in Hong Kong, you guys just need to stop viewing it as 'our' cadet program and start realizing that there are other people out there who want it just as much as you or even more and that if you are not as qualified as an expat you should not get the job.
Sabotaging your flying dream? You've gotta be kidding me right. What about those LOCAL before the Immigration ruling? did it not sabotage their dream as well? Being born in this place hoping to join the flag carrier but realizing more than half of its cadets are expatriates.
I think the reason why they claimed they didn't have enough number of qualified local cadets was that the old ICAO test killed off a large portion of supply (You know why....). Now this problem is gone and everything back to the right track, great!
Cathay becoming an only local airline? Highly doubtful, firstly its run by swire which is an English company and secondly there simply aren't enough candidates to do it, qualified pilots or qualified cadets.
I was born and raised in Hong Kong, you guys just need to stop viewing it as 'our' cadet program and start realizing that there are other people out there who want it just as much as you or even more and that if you are not as qualified as an expat you should not get the job.
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CX is a local airline. Although owned by Swire, it is registered and headquartered in Hong Kong as it has since it’s founding. It’s target market are people from Hong Kong, it’s hub is in HKG, even Air China has a nice stake in the airline, a stake which I would have no doubt would grow in the future. So with all this, if it’s not a “local airline” then where is it’s home???
Every country, including where I live, the US, has some sort of policy limiting foreigners from taking jobs that can be filled by locals. To be a pilot for a US carrier, one would have to be a US Citizen or registered alien. In Europe it seems even stricter but same protection for its residents. Asia is no different, just look at Air Asia or SIA’s cadet programs, they all require you to be a permanent resident of their country. CX seems to have allowed anyone through the door at one point which I am surprised as I can see CX getting burned down the line for allowing such policies.
Speaking good English, although important, I doubt is a barrier for many especially from the former English colony. Truth of the matter is, there are enough kids from a city of 7 million from HK who is able to pass and fill CX’s requirements for the cadet program, I wouldn’t even be surprised if I were to find out there are a few hundred CPL holder with HK ID in HK who could qualify for the AE.
Every country, including where I live, the US, has some sort of policy limiting foreigners from taking jobs that can be filled by locals. To be a pilot for a US carrier, one would have to be a US Citizen or registered alien. In Europe it seems even stricter but same protection for its residents. Asia is no different, just look at Air Asia or SIA’s cadet programs, they all require you to be a permanent resident of their country. CX seems to have allowed anyone through the door at one point which I am surprised as I can see CX getting burned down the line for allowing such policies.
Speaking good English, although important, I doubt is a barrier for many especially from the former English colony. Truth of the matter is, there are enough kids from a city of 7 million from HK who is able to pass and fill CX’s requirements for the cadet program, I wouldn’t even be surprised if I were to find out there are a few hundred CPL holder with HK ID in HK who could qualify for the AE.
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I secretly hope the programme will go back to HKID only.... perhaps due to selfishness and the hopes that I may one day be able to convince CX for another attempt. Singapore, Malaysia and many others are strictly local and HK should be no different. I also believe that most, not all, non HKID cadets will jump ship when the opportunity arises.
HKID CPL holder and still job hunting
Knowing CX doesn't want you is tough.. but having to leave HK
HKID CPL holder and still job hunting
Knowing CX doesn't want you is tough.. but having to leave HK
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The Hong Kong Immigration Department also ruled that the intent of the cadet program was to enable LOCAL PEOPLE (Chinese) to enter aviation as a career, not as a gateway for cheap labour.
I agree 100% that the cadet program should only be for permanent HKID holders. All other programs should be aimed at experienced pilots, not this laughable excuse of an induction program that neither selects not trains the candidates based on experience and suitability, just a willingness to accept lousy T&C.
I agree 100% that the cadet program should only be for permanent HKID holders. All other programs should be aimed at experienced pilots, not this laughable excuse of an induction program that neither selects not trains the candidates based on experience and suitability, just a willingness to accept lousy T&C.
SIA locals only?
SIA has been taking Malaysians and Indians in their Cadet programme for a long time now. You know why? Because they sometimes find it hard to source enough locally suitable applicants.
Why would Cathay take a Westerner over a local if they had enough locals getting through all the testing?
An Airline down the road from EK took some Westerners on as Ab initio cadets not long ago because they too could not get enough locals through.
Why would Cathay take a Westerner over a local if they had enough locals getting through all the testing?
An Airline down the road from EK took some Westerners on as Ab initio cadets not long ago because they too could not get enough locals through.
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Don't worry the HYAA will come up with a few candidates.
AE should be for HKID holders only.And I am glad it's being adjusted that way.
As for SQ do some research on how un-happy locals about their recruitment policies.[start form the 'self-sponsored' CPL/ATPL thread]
JA, if it looks like a Duck it's not necessary a DUCK i.e selling the stake to the Chinese changed the whole ball game...
AE should be for HKID holders only.And I am glad it's being adjusted that way.
As for SQ do some research on how un-happy locals about their recruitment policies.[start form the 'self-sponsored' CPL/ATPL thread]
JA, if it looks like a Duck it's not necessary a DUCK i.e selling the stake to the Chinese changed the whole ball game...
unhappy locals
Wongsuzie,
The local singaporeans might be unhappy about the recruitment arrangements but SIA has a standard to keep. I'm pretty sure the Malaysians get paid the same as the locals (Meaning I don't think there is a financial incentive to hiring non Singaporeans). Correct me if I'm wrong please.
As for Cathay I would say that if the airline stop paying for flight training the pool of locals would dry up overnight. There is no way the airline could sustain it's current operations on a local only hiring policy let alone cope with any growth.
Locals and expats are on a truly level playing field now. We get paid exactly the same as you do. Why spend 12 months training someone when you can do it in 6 months or six weeks? Doesn't make financial sense.
The local singaporeans might be unhappy about the recruitment arrangements but SIA has a standard to keep. I'm pretty sure the Malaysians get paid the same as the locals (Meaning I don't think there is a financial incentive to hiring non Singaporeans). Correct me if I'm wrong please.
As for Cathay I would say that if the airline stop paying for flight training the pool of locals would dry up overnight. There is no way the airline could sustain it's current operations on a local only hiring policy let alone cope with any growth.
Locals and expats are on a truly level playing field now. We get paid exactly the same as you do. Why spend 12 months training someone when you can do it in 6 months or six weeks? Doesn't make financial sense.
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Couldn't agree more. however, we can never erase the fact that some feel, (A) certain amount of ownership in an airline embedded in their own country, which I feel sad about because most of us pilots that aspire to fly certain brands that we grew up with, only to be shun due to citizenship rights. I admire CX for what they did, Opening up their doors to all nationalities and I hope in the end it will all be about a certain candidates skill and qualifications that would matter not their ID card passport and whatsoever.
" CX is an equal opportunity employer " and this is the tag line that keeps my hopes alive..
" CX is an equal opportunity employer " and this is the tag line that keeps my hopes alive..
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be about a certain candidates skill and qualifications
I can say with 100% certainty that where you are from an unskilled kid could not get a visa to work as a pilot.
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"Cathay is an equal opportunity employer" is being misunderstood.
It applies to gender, age and disabilities, not nationality or lack of qualifications. It's accurate only within the HKG context and (I believe) not meant as an across-the-board, sweeping statement to the effect that they will hire anyone. The are many other factors at play.
"Cathay is an equal opportunity employer" is being misunderstood.
It applies to gender, age and disabilities, not nationality or lack of qualifications. It's accurate only within the HKG context and (I believe) not meant as an across-the-board, sweeping statement to the effect that they will hire anyone. The are many other factors at play.
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So I've been selected to do the initial interview in Hong Kong in the new year, Yay! but the problem is I am back in Canada now. If I send them an email, stating that I can't make it but would still like to be considered for interviews they hold in Canadian cities, will they just pass me over? seems likely seeing how competitive this thing is.
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If you think it requires skill to get a CPL/IR it just shows how lacking in experience you are. I expect next you will tell me the expertise you are bringing to this airline is 250hrs.
