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On an overnight in HK and was reading the Sth China Morning Post yesterday:
HK housing prices ROSE by 80% (yes, EIGHTY PERCENT) since 2009.
So, your $10,000 HKD housing allowance over a 4 year period is worth in real terms $2000 HKD. Your $46,000 a month is now worth $38,000 a month.
We make mention of living in shoe boxes in HK. With that depreciating housing allowance which so many of you deem acceptable to sell your souls to is now getting outside of your reach. That housing allowance can't afford you a shoe box! So you want to share an apartment you say. Great, so 3 x iCadets combining their (now, in real terms) $6000 HKD a month to rent what?
Hong Kong Property, Apartment for Rent and for Sale - Hong Kong Realty
(I did a search on apartments min 200 to max 500 sq ft in Central. Try changing the fields for any other part of HK and see what $2000 a month will get you, or consider your ever depreciating $10,000).
It does not make any financial sense to sign that insulting iCadet contract - not to mention all the other reasons of professional integrity.
When are you kids going to look LONG TERM and show one tiny piece of responsibility toward your profession and career? Still thinking of raising a family (single income with 1 or 2 kids of your own) one day on that salary package and contract?
HK housing prices ROSE by 80% (yes, EIGHTY PERCENT) since 2009.
So, your $10,000 HKD housing allowance over a 4 year period is worth in real terms $2000 HKD. Your $46,000 a month is now worth $38,000 a month.
We make mention of living in shoe boxes in HK. With that depreciating housing allowance which so many of you deem acceptable to sell your souls to is now getting outside of your reach. That housing allowance can't afford you a shoe box! So you want to share an apartment you say. Great, so 3 x iCadets combining their (now, in real terms) $6000 HKD a month to rent what?
Hong Kong Property, Apartment for Rent and for Sale - Hong Kong Realty
(I did a search on apartments min 200 to max 500 sq ft in Central. Try changing the fields for any other part of HK and see what $2000 a month will get you, or consider your ever depreciating $10,000).
It does not make any financial sense to sign that insulting iCadet contract - not to mention all the other reasons of professional integrity.
When are you kids going to look LONG TERM and show one tiny piece of responsibility toward your profession and career? Still thinking of raising a family (single income with 1 or 2 kids of your own) one day on that salary package and contract?
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Some food for thought for you guys out there:
I learned to fly long before cadet schemes came into the aviation world. I was 24 years of age when I started and had to pay for my own flying training, working many hours night shift to get extra pay. I took my annual leave to attend CPL and ATPL ground school and wrote my exams on my 'off days'
I was 30 years old on my first turboprop conversion and had a training bond for 4 years for that privelage. Up till then I lived in converted single garages on the large properties of the more well-off citizens.
Only at the age of 35 I managed to secure a bank loan big enough to buy myself a 2 bedroom townhouse in a very average neighbourhood in my home town.
I sometimes listen to the cadets and wonder if they really appreciate the opportunity that they are getting ?
I learned to fly long before cadet schemes came into the aviation world. I was 24 years of age when I started and had to pay for my own flying training, working many hours night shift to get extra pay. I took my annual leave to attend CPL and ATPL ground school and wrote my exams on my 'off days'
I was 30 years old on my first turboprop conversion and had a training bond for 4 years for that privelage. Up till then I lived in converted single garages on the large properties of the more well-off citizens.
Only at the age of 35 I managed to secure a bank loan big enough to buy myself a 2 bedroom townhouse in a very average neighbourhood in my home town.
I sometimes listen to the cadets and wonder if they really appreciate the opportunity that they are getting ?
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How so? What did I write that you believe us exaggerated or untrue?
There's also a show called "Banged Up Abroad". (No pun intended but perhaps quite apt). It's about people, usually young, ignorant & naive, trying to find a short cut to getting what they want. They don't wish to work hard & sacrifice time & effort toward achieving their goal. They do a deal with the devil and only then too late discover the real truths & consequences of their selective stupidity. Their captors are typically highly aggressive, corrupt & act without a care of written laws or other formal signed agreements.
I'd say that show is bang-up your street with respect to the iCadetship you defend. An agreement with a known & proven corrupt, ruthless & deceitful company (refer to price fixing scandals, 49ers court case purgery, CoS 99, CoS 08, sign or be fired tactics, etc) & then held (bonded) for a prescribed time period.......
Guys like Nirak earned their stripes, & along with that earned respect. But I will disagree with one thing he wrote. The iCadetship is no "opportunity" for them per se. It is an opportunity for a money grab by CX management at the expense of ignorant & naive wannabes, plain & simple. And who said a fool & his money are easilly parted
CX iCadets are by no means selected from the best pool of talent out there. They are those left over from those with true experience & credentials who refuse to apply. As has been said before, you're the cheapest option. Nothing more, nothing less.
There's also a show called "Banged Up Abroad". (No pun intended but perhaps quite apt). It's about people, usually young, ignorant & naive, trying to find a short cut to getting what they want. They don't wish to work hard & sacrifice time & effort toward achieving their goal. They do a deal with the devil and only then too late discover the real truths & consequences of their selective stupidity. Their captors are typically highly aggressive, corrupt & act without a care of written laws or other formal signed agreements.
I'd say that show is bang-up your street with respect to the iCadetship you defend. An agreement with a known & proven corrupt, ruthless & deceitful company (refer to price fixing scandals, 49ers court case purgery, CoS 99, CoS 08, sign or be fired tactics, etc) & then held (bonded) for a prescribed time period.......
Guys like Nirak earned their stripes, & along with that earned respect. But I will disagree with one thing he wrote. The iCadetship is no "opportunity" for them per se. It is an opportunity for a money grab by CX management at the expense of ignorant & naive wannabes, plain & simple. And who said a fool & his money are easilly parted
CX iCadets are by no means selected from the best pool of talent out there. They are those left over from those with true experience & credentials who refuse to apply. As has been said before, you're the cheapest option. Nothing more, nothing less.
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On second thoughts, I think you might enjoy 'Friends'. Unfortunately this programme repeats itself over and over and over again around a very predictable story line. Lots of people have begun to simply ignore it and see it as nothing more than the broadcast of 'samey' pollution. But give it a go, you might just find some value in it?
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I am not defending either the motives or practices of CX. I have never worked at CX either.
I am merely trying to say that the previous generation of pilots had to work their way up from light twins, turboprops, etc to eventually end up as a SFO on a shiny jet with a somewhat decent salaryand a few thousand hours TT. The Aviation industry is a difficult environment, has always been.
It appears to me that the cadets expect to earn vast amounts of money and buy family size homes in the most expensive city when they have only a few hundred hours experience under the belt. They are only spared the slugging away on a delapidated light twin or turboprop. The previous generation also earned peanuts during their low-time years.
They seem to be even unhappy having to make good a number of years at CX. Getting paid a salary even during their training period, doing Zero-to-Hero in just over a year. It took me over 7 years to get my PPL to ATPL (subjects) part time and another 2 years full time flying to get my full ATPL.
Just a question to some of these impatient ones..... If you are a B777 or A320 Captain by the age of 30, what are you going to keep yourself interested with until your retirement at 65 or 70 ? Complaining about the boring airline food, the useless cabin crew, bitch all day about your 'right to get confirmed rebate travel' and... and .... and....
Aviation is a life long journey with many peaks and troughs. Beautifull views may become scary ones too. Making lifelong friends that may bring you lots of happyness or strenious proffessional and personal relationships.
It takes many years: lots of hard work, lots of stresses and strains, lots of practice, and above all, lots of patience...
I sometimes wonder if the cadets do not miss out on some 'real flying' by not doing the 'regional turboprop fight-it-out in the thunderstorm and icing' experience as a young and enthusiastic pilot. I have found it to be a very good learning school for both myself and my flying skills. Today, they are also the source of my best flying memories and passenger stories, especially after the cockpit door became locked (post 9/11). Without that, airline flying is very much 'just transport' / computer sidekick, etc...
I am merely trying to say that the previous generation of pilots had to work their way up from light twins, turboprops, etc to eventually end up as a SFO on a shiny jet with a somewhat decent salaryand a few thousand hours TT. The Aviation industry is a difficult environment, has always been.
It appears to me that the cadets expect to earn vast amounts of money and buy family size homes in the most expensive city when they have only a few hundred hours experience under the belt. They are only spared the slugging away on a delapidated light twin or turboprop. The previous generation also earned peanuts during their low-time years.
They seem to be even unhappy having to make good a number of years at CX. Getting paid a salary even during their training period, doing Zero-to-Hero in just over a year. It took me over 7 years to get my PPL to ATPL (subjects) part time and another 2 years full time flying to get my full ATPL.
Just a question to some of these impatient ones..... If you are a B777 or A320 Captain by the age of 30, what are you going to keep yourself interested with until your retirement at 65 or 70 ? Complaining about the boring airline food, the useless cabin crew, bitch all day about your 'right to get confirmed rebate travel' and... and .... and....
Aviation is a life long journey with many peaks and troughs. Beautifull views may become scary ones too. Making lifelong friends that may bring you lots of happyness or strenious proffessional and personal relationships.
It takes many years: lots of hard work, lots of stresses and strains, lots of practice, and above all, lots of patience...
I sometimes wonder if the cadets do not miss out on some 'real flying' by not doing the 'regional turboprop fight-it-out in the thunderstorm and icing' experience as a young and enthusiastic pilot. I have found it to be a very good learning school for both myself and my flying skills. Today, they are also the source of my best flying memories and passenger stories, especially after the cockpit door became locked (post 9/11). Without that, airline flying is very much 'just transport' / computer sidekick, etc...
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So just commute from Thailand, buddy of mine does as an SO. Has a great time, money goes a lot further and has a really nice pad in Bangkok!
6x CX flights a day and not to mention quite a few other airlines!
Who says you have to live in Hong Kong!
But i'm sure some negative Joe on here is going to come up with some reason to shot this down too. Some people really are so negative!
6x CX flights a day and not to mention quite a few other airlines!
Who says you have to live in Hong Kong!
But i'm sure some negative Joe on here is going to come up with some reason to shot this down too. Some people really are so negative!
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Thanks to JJ, finally received some positive feedback! LOL
I am a single flight instructor but not very young, still hoping to fly big jets one day and make my dream come true! I have no problem living in a small apartment near the airport - In fact, I am currently living in a small room inside a flight school (it's basically an old house) located on an airport property!! ...
I am a single flight instructor but not very young, still hoping to fly big jets one day and make my dream come true! I have no problem living in a small apartment near the airport - In fact, I am currently living in a small room inside a flight school (it's basically an old house) located on an airport property!! ...
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I know that it may seem "ok" to you to be living in a hangar at the airport, but the aviation scene in Canada is seriously messed up.
With all due respect, if you think that it's ok for a potential 777/330/350 captain to be living in what amounts to no more than squalor, you're a fool.
Go to Westjet, AC, Transat, Perimeter...whatever - but stay away from here. Please. You and your sort are a blight on the industry.
I know that it may seem "ok" to you to be living in a hangar at the airport, but the aviation scene in Canada is seriously messed up.
With all due respect, if you think that it's ok for a potential 777/330/350 captain to be living in what amounts to no more than squalor, you're a fool.
Go to Westjet, AC, Transat, Perimeter...whatever - but stay away from here. Please. You and your sort are a blight on the industry.
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jj - so where or how did I exaggerate? What part of this confused you??
You obviously lack the capacity to read and fully comprehend information - hence the iCadet contract suits you well. You read and believe what you want to, but not what it is.
Your immaturity and ignorance of the profession you wish to be a part also shines through. Because you know some people earning $20k a month with 2 kids it's OK for this profession to be lowered to that level of remuneration? Do those locals need to send their kids to international schools due language barriers? Do they get access to the local health system a supposed to non permanent residents, is their family many 1000's of miles away on foreign shores, is their "profession" one in which they are responsible for many millions of dollars of hardware, not mention hundreds of lives, and so on? No kid - it's not quite apples and apples, is it? See kid, it "used to be" a profession taking years of dedication and sacrifice to earn the right to fly for an airline as CX once was. Not any more due to the likes of yourself. I'll wager you live at home with mummy and daddy, have never paid your own rent, your own bills, looked at a LONG TERM plan for retirement. The CX cadetship was only ever designed to support the local HK community (quote RH as recently as 2 years ago) but then scum like him are able to use it to attract and other sucker to the job in order to feather his own nest. He says CX need to change to reflect the industry as a whole - so where's his sacrifice? Where's the slicing and dicing of his remuneration package? Ooops... His has increased through salary increases, bonuses, etc all on the backs of ignorant wannabes.
rdane - if you haven't the ability to show some respect to yourself, try to do so to the profession at the very least.
vero - I'm happy your mate has shown some form of intelligence and is making the most of the sh!t sandwich he signed. I will assume eventually he will have to move to HK. For those at CX please correct me if I'm wrong. So what happens when he's stuck in HK and can't get home to BKK or flights don't coincide with his roster? I assume he'll have to pay for a hotel in HK every now and again. Eventually this sh!t sandwich of a contract will catch up to him. Once again, none of you look LONG TERM. You all look the here and now and Shiny Jet Syndrome you think you've earned by selling out to a greedy and immoral company.
The likes of banged, jj and rdane are all the same types who down the track will scream that pilots are their own worse enemy when it comes to sticking together to maintain their professional integrity, supporting standards and their job security, not to mention remuneration. You wilfully contribute to the lowering of the profession through your actions.
You get what you deserve: pay bananas, get monkeys. You're the cheapest option. How proud you must be.
(I did a search on apartments min 200 to max 500 sq ft in Central. Try changing the fields for any other part of HK and see what $2000 a month will get you, or consider your ever depreciating $10,000).
Your immaturity and ignorance of the profession you wish to be a part also shines through. Because you know some people earning $20k a month with 2 kids it's OK for this profession to be lowered to that level of remuneration? Do those locals need to send their kids to international schools due language barriers? Do they get access to the local health system a supposed to non permanent residents, is their family many 1000's of miles away on foreign shores, is their "profession" one in which they are responsible for many millions of dollars of hardware, not mention hundreds of lives, and so on? No kid - it's not quite apples and apples, is it? See kid, it "used to be" a profession taking years of dedication and sacrifice to earn the right to fly for an airline as CX once was. Not any more due to the likes of yourself. I'll wager you live at home with mummy and daddy, have never paid your own rent, your own bills, looked at a LONG TERM plan for retirement. The CX cadetship was only ever designed to support the local HK community (quote RH as recently as 2 years ago) but then scum like him are able to use it to attract and other sucker to the job in order to feather his own nest. He says CX need to change to reflect the industry as a whole - so where's his sacrifice? Where's the slicing and dicing of his remuneration package? Ooops... His has increased through salary increases, bonuses, etc all on the backs of ignorant wannabes.
rdane - if you haven't the ability to show some respect to yourself, try to do so to the profession at the very least.
vero - I'm happy your mate has shown some form of intelligence and is making the most of the sh!t sandwich he signed. I will assume eventually he will have to move to HK. For those at CX please correct me if I'm wrong. So what happens when he's stuck in HK and can't get home to BKK or flights don't coincide with his roster? I assume he'll have to pay for a hotel in HK every now and again. Eventually this sh!t sandwich of a contract will catch up to him. Once again, none of you look LONG TERM. You all look the here and now and Shiny Jet Syndrome you think you've earned by selling out to a greedy and immoral company.
The likes of banged, jj and rdane are all the same types who down the track will scream that pilots are their own worse enemy when it comes to sticking together to maintain their professional integrity, supporting standards and their job security, not to mention remuneration. You wilfully contribute to the lowering of the profession through your actions.
You get what you deserve: pay bananas, get monkeys. You're the cheapest option. How proud you must be.
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Is anyone here who has applied to the cadet pilot program and has successfully gotten in to the program?
I'm in my third-year of my unviersity degree and thinking of applying to the program. The thing I'm kinda worried about is the medical check assessment. I know your body condition not only has to be good, but has to be top-shaped to get involved in the industry. My body condition seems fine at the moment but I'm not sure if I'm qualified to become a pilot in terms of my health condition.
Do you think, speaking in your perspective, I should do a medical check in advance before applying to any of the program?
I'm in my third-year of my unviersity degree and thinking of applying to the program. The thing I'm kinda worried about is the medical check assessment. I know your body condition not only has to be good, but has to be top-shaped to get involved in the industry. My body condition seems fine at the moment but I'm not sure if I'm qualified to become a pilot in terms of my health condition.
Do you think, speaking in your perspective, I should do a medical check in advance before applying to any of the program?
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CB, your approach to this debate baffles me. Your abrasive manner is counterproductive. If you really were all that concerned you would be able to realise that you are making no ground with your current spiel. Of course, someone genuinely concerned would switch on to this and find a more palatable way to communicate. But for some odd reason you fight on with your onslaught. The facts are clear and out there for all to see; people are entitled to draw their own conclusions.
What a shame that any valid advice you may have amongst the deep sea of waffle will be forever ignored. I'm sure you'll conjure an argument, but don't expect a response.
That's right, you've just been patronised by a 22 year old. My how the tables have turned.
What a shame that any valid advice you may have amongst the deep sea of waffle will be forever ignored. I'm sure you'll conjure an argument, but don't expect a response.
That's right, you've just been patronised by a 22 year old. My how the tables have turned.
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Put yourself in our position, if you were at the beginning of your career, in the economy of today and the airline of your dreams, the airline that you had always dreamed of joining one day offered you a job....
Would you go away, pay for your training and if you were lucky end up at a loco like Ryanair?
Banged - patronising? To even think you have the fur in your groin to be able to do so is humorous enough! You laud your right to sell out a profession & proudly contribute to its deterioration. I happen to vehemently disagree with that due experience. At 22 your log book (if you have one) is still in the same pre-pubescent stage as yourself so to think you have the professional ability to "patronise" me is comical! Thanks for the laugh kid! The fact that you even attempt to look down on those with more experience, credentials & knowledge of the job (& airline) you seek to lower speaks more of your own charactor than anything else. If I'm abrasive then it's for a reason: your ignorance & immaturity is a slur to all I & many others worked so hard for. If I'm abrasive I can't wait to see you cower like a puppy in a CX cockpit when your level of ignorance & arrogance gets exposed! You have no idea kid.
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China beached you obviously lack the capacity to do basic maths. I'd like to think you were joking, but obviously you were not.
Doh! 
HK housing prices ROSE by 80% (yes, EIGHTY PERCENT) since 2009.
So, your $10,000 HKD housing allowance over a 4 year period is worth in real terms $2000 HKD.
So, your $10,000 HKD housing allowance over a 4 year period is worth in real terms $2000 HKD.
I think you misunderstood the point I was trying to make. what I was trying to say was that the contract is live able on
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$10,000 x 20% = $2,000.
Year 1 (2009) CX housing = 100% of $10,000. Since 2009 housing prices have risen by 80% (quote SCMP. Here's another brief history lesson on the true value of the iCadet housing allowance that IS NOT maintained on par with the housing market unlike the previous contracts: House Prices in Hong Kong | Hong Kong Real Estate Prices).
The net worth of $10,000 less 80% is $2,000.
Go & argue the basis of that fact with either your math teacher or the editor of the SCMP where it was printed. Careful though! If they dare disagree then they could be labelled anti iCadet trolls!!!
When you reduce the value of something by 80% what you're left with is 20%. I typed that slow for you. What future CX has when this is the level of applicant. I can see how a 1:60 would fry your brain.
Anti iCadet trolls vs pro sell out trolls. An on going debate it seems. One side has facts, experience, credentials & experience. The other immaturity & ignorance.
If you read a post of mine not long ago I mentioned the iCadet remuneration package is livable but to plan for a LONG TERM secure financial future based on it & life's known & unknown variables is irresponsible not to mention contributing to the detriment of the airline & industry.
Unfitting a CX pilot as you say? Well yes & no. Guys like yourselves are willing to see it degraded so as to allow yourselves access to it. Otherwise those with experience, credentials & knowledge would apply & leave those without such professional qualities unable to compete. But that is not the case and until the job is driven down to your own level you'll defend your right to do so. You guys need these lower standards to apply. Those who refuse to apply or fight for higher standards are in opposition to you.
Year 1 (2009) CX housing = 100% of $10,000. Since 2009 housing prices have risen by 80% (quote SCMP. Here's another brief history lesson on the true value of the iCadet housing allowance that IS NOT maintained on par with the housing market unlike the previous contracts: House Prices in Hong Kong | Hong Kong Real Estate Prices).
The net worth of $10,000 less 80% is $2,000.
Go & argue the basis of that fact with either your math teacher or the editor of the SCMP where it was printed. Careful though! If they dare disagree then they could be labelled anti iCadet trolls!!!
When you reduce the value of something by 80% what you're left with is 20%. I typed that slow for you. What future CX has when this is the level of applicant. I can see how a 1:60 would fry your brain.
Anti iCadet trolls vs pro sell out trolls. An on going debate it seems. One side has facts, experience, credentials & experience. The other immaturity & ignorance.
If you read a post of mine not long ago I mentioned the iCadet remuneration package is livable but to plan for a LONG TERM secure financial future based on it & life's known & unknown variables is irresponsible not to mention contributing to the detriment of the airline & industry.
Unfitting a CX pilot as you say? Well yes & no. Guys like yourselves are willing to see it degraded so as to allow yourselves access to it. Otherwise those with experience, credentials & knowledge would apply & leave those without such professional qualities unable to compete. But that is not the case and until the job is driven down to your own level you'll defend your right to do so. You guys need these lower standards to apply. Those who refuse to apply or fight for higher standards are in opposition to you.
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Oh dear, oh dear.
OK
No, in real terms that $10,000 is now worth about $5,555.
If housing prices had doubled (which, China Beached, is more than 80%, in fact its an increase of 100%), then the real (ie inflation adjusted) value of $10,000 would have been halved, ie $5,000. Still more than twice your claimed value of $2,000.
Let's put it another way, if housing prices in 2009 were $4,000 per square foot and then they increased by 80% they would now be $7,200psf. In 2009 $10,000 would have bought you 2.50sf, now it buys you 1.39sf. (note that 1.39 is sitll about 55% of 2.5, not 20%)
Now you claim that $10,000 today, in real terms, is equal to $2,000 back in 2009. If that were true then $10,000 would only buy 0.50sf, which is what $2,000 bought back in 2009.
Please tell me you were joking.
Since 2009 housing prices have risen by 80%
So, your $10,000 HKD housing allowance over a 4 year period is worth in real terms $2000 HKD.
If housing prices had doubled (which, China Beached, is more than 80%, in fact its an increase of 100%), then the real (ie inflation adjusted) value of $10,000 would have been halved, ie $5,000. Still more than twice your claimed value of $2,000.
Let's put it another way, if housing prices in 2009 were $4,000 per square foot and then they increased by 80% they would now be $7,200psf. In 2009 $10,000 would have bought you 2.50sf, now it buys you 1.39sf. (note that 1.39 is sitll about 55% of 2.5, not 20%)
Now you claim that $10,000 today, in real terms, is equal to $2,000 back in 2009. If that were true then $10,000 would only buy 0.50sf, which is what $2,000 bought back in 2009.
Please tell me you were joking.
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I see your point & will readily admit I shot from the hip too quickly & happilly stand corrected.
However what you cannot deny is the ever eroding real term value of the housing allowance as part of the iCadet package. Where I can show some humility where I'm wrong I would hope at the very least most of you could. I could easily delete or edit that post(s) showing my error but I'l happily keep it there to admit I was wrong - however the basis of my argument is not.
So, taking an admittedly better calculation reasoning your $10,000 HKD is worth $5,555 four years later.
Mr Taylor - it seems you wish to fire the slander of "rudeness" in one direction only? Arrogance? From where? I raised a fact mentioned in the SCMP & was immediately attacked. I defended the stand point & have happilly conceded an error. I was attacked without reference to fact and returned fire. One guy wanted to get personal, so he received the same in kind. Have you played judge and jury toward other posters or have you selectively difused those comments from whom are in your camp? In the tone of my replies I can accept your uppercut: no problems.
I will not concede that the iCadetship, it's contract & what it means to CX & the profession in general is anything but an absolute slur.
Some fight for high standards & others rely on the lowering of them.
However what you cannot deny is the ever eroding real term value of the housing allowance as part of the iCadet package. Where I can show some humility where I'm wrong I would hope at the very least most of you could. I could easily delete or edit that post(s) showing my error but I'l happily keep it there to admit I was wrong - however the basis of my argument is not.
So, taking an admittedly better calculation reasoning your $10,000 HKD is worth $5,555 four years later.
Mr Taylor - it seems you wish to fire the slander of "rudeness" in one direction only? Arrogance? From where? I raised a fact mentioned in the SCMP & was immediately attacked. I defended the stand point & have happilly conceded an error. I was attacked without reference to fact and returned fire. One guy wanted to get personal, so he received the same in kind. Have you played judge and jury toward other posters or have you selectively difused those comments from whom are in your camp? In the tone of my replies I can accept your uppercut: no problems.
I will not concede that the iCadetship, it's contract & what it means to CX & the profession in general is anything but an absolute slur.
Some fight for high standards & others rely on the lowering of them.
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Aspiring Aviator
Hi all, my first time on these forums so don't lynch me please.
I've wanted to be a pilot and when i saw this cadet programme, I thought I should give it a go so I have been preparing. However, I think the notes I have are rather lacking. I'd be grateful if you guys could post the books and notes you used so that I can find myself a copy. Also did the Microsoft Flight Simulators help? I'm going to buy myself a copy soon, but I've also considered the thing from http://www.flightexperience.com.hk/ and wanted to know if it would be worth it.
Thanks for any information!
I've wanted to be a pilot and when i saw this cadet programme, I thought I should give it a go so I have been preparing. However, I think the notes I have are rather lacking. I'd be grateful if you guys could post the books and notes you used so that I can find myself a copy. Also did the Microsoft Flight Simulators help? I'm going to buy myself a copy soon, but I've also considered the thing from http://www.flightexperience.com.hk/ and wanted to know if it would be worth it.
Thanks for any information!
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I could easily delete or edit that post(s) showing my error but I'l happily keep it there to admit I was wrong
I worked my ar$e off, studied my ar$e off & sacrificed all that was needed to get to where I am today
When you reduce the value of something by 80% what you're left with is 20%. I typed that slow for you. What future CX has when this is the level of applicant
I earned the right to interview for CX as SO with a few thousand command hours & jet time
If I'm abrasive then it's for a reason: your ignorance & immaturity is a slur to all I & many others worked so hard for
CB, give advice as it seems you are in a position to do so. But dont shove it down others throats. People will still apply for the cadetship, become SO, accumulate P2X time, become FO and have an airline career even if it is as pathetic as you make it out to be. They will go ahead and train as CX pilots and when the doom and gloom housing situation that you mention hits them, THEY will deal with it in THEIR ways. So you and your ego can take a walk because no one is going to sit down with a CX contract in their hands and think about your bs after having done their own research into living conditions in HK and finding them suitable for themselves. Your preaching aint worth jack. So build a bridge.
