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Cathay Pacific Cadet Pilot Programme

Old 23rd Nov 2022, 10:25
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Originally Posted by ChrissyPrezzie
Mental health issues are just as important as physical ones, said by many doctors. So if a junior pilot is constantly being looked down by his/her peers, Iím talking about the ones who graduated from the same program but in the old standard, they will have a higher chance to be exposed to all kinds of mental health problems, such as low self-esteem, loss of confidence, feeling being isolated in the cockpit because, letís be honest, you are just sitting here watching somebody to fly the jet, always think I am here because they went easy on me at the interviews, totally embarrassed by his/her terrible accent in front of the bananas..(You think the locals are gonna be much nicer to each other? Wrong. Even inside the local pilot community, some of them are quite judgmental. Have flown with and worked with plenty of them before. Hey. What do you think we were doing on a 13hours flight from HKG to LAX? Now you have peer pressure, on top of that, you have CX factor. You have a company who constantly push you over the edge, doesn't care about your feelings, doesnít care about your situation, having a take it or walk out the door attitude. You want to leave but you can't because you have nowhere to go with P2X. You are now stuck. Day after day, month after month, these mental health problems get piled up and it eventually causes fatigue, leading to anxiety, leading to depression, what worst, you might think about taking your own life. A young CX pilot who killed himself recently because of depression, the news has been widely circulating among the expat pilot community. A person dies doesnít make the news. But what if a whole plane went down then CX is doomed. Two Hong Kong Airlines Pilots were trying to takeoff from a Taxiway. SCMP 2008. Could it be the future of Cathay?
Mental health is certainly important, but nothing you said is new. SO has always sat in the cockpit watching somebody fly the jet. As for accent, everybody has an accent whether they are Aussie, American, British, or local. Not all expats come from English speaking countries either, so they could very well have, for example, Spanish or French accent. But I guess the problem is only with the "terrible" accent of the locals. You are also assuming every new cadet has a thick Chinglish accent when it isn't necessarily true, is it? Plenty of locals have studied in international schools in HK and/or universities in an English speaking country.

As for being stuck at Cathay for at least a couple years due to P2X, this is a very valid point and something every cadet needs to understand before they commit to the program. This may be a deal breaker for some and a non-issue for others. But as long as you know what you are getting yourself into, I don't see this as an issue.

Anyway, it seems like half of these problems stemmed from the fact that experienced pilots at CX are too judgmental (your word... not mine!) and act all high and mighty when they interact with the newbies. So maybe they are the ones who need to do better and stop creating such a toxic work environment? CX management deserves a lot criticisms and apparently so do experienced pilots who mistreat SO, at least according to your account. Well I have an idea. Be nice and courteous to fellow crew members. Don't look down on your colleagues because you think you're the greatest pilot in the world. Don't make fun of your colleagues because they don't have the "perfect" accent in your book. You don't have to become buddies with them, but you also don't have to make them feel uncomfortable. Less a**holes in the cockpit = less peer pressure = less depression. Now everybody is happy. Problem solved.

Lastly, having low self-esteem and confidence is something everybody needs to work on on their own. Everybody earned their spot in the cockpit.
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Old 24th Nov 2022, 03:38
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Originally Posted by chloe123
Just received an email, and it asked me to join a video call to do this initial assessment test which include:

- Monitoring ability
- Spatial orientation
- Complex control
- Applied numeracy
- Multi-tasking
- Reaction speed
- Work related behaviour

Where would you recommend to source out the information that were mention in above? The test is 120min. Once again, much appreciated for the help! I have zero background.
You must be so bummed out that she ignored you, Rithfung. Still want to help?
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Old 24th Nov 2022, 04:17
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Hello. I am very new here. This program sounds very attractive, someone pays you training and give you a job, seems too good to be truth. What is the catch tho? This is Hong Kong. I know nothing is free in Hong Kong. There must be so many strings attached I supposed?

I see you people talked about P2X. What is P2X? Why can't SOs fly the plane? If they can't fly the plane, what are they here for? I thought pilots are supposed to fly the plane, like drivers. If a bus driver can't drive the bus then why is he still a bus driver? I don't understand. I like flying. I like do the takeoffs and landings. Should I fly for fun? Airlines pilots are so in trouble. Always follow rules, and SOs can't fly. Too miserable bor.

Also, what about salary? I want to buy a house, have a family, have kids. I have a girlfriend now, and we plan to get marry, I see the housing getting cheaper, because so many Hong Kong leaving Hong Kong. Is the salary good enough to buy a house?

Thank you
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Old 24th Nov 2022, 04:27
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Oh. I forgot to say. I am 24 now. I work in bank, I am making 50K a month, base salary, on top, I get average 20K bonuses. Can I still make the same money to be Cadet/SOs?
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Old 24th Nov 2022, 08:17
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Originally Posted by flying_melon
But I guess the problem is only with the "terrible" accent of the locals. You are also assuming every new cadet has a thick Chinglish accent when it isn't necessarily true, is it? Plenty of locals have studied in international schools in HK and/or universities in an English speaking country.
I'm pretty sure ChrissyPrezzie was talking about local vs local, not local vs expat, which somehow I can relate to it. On that note, I just wanted to say, English has been a big problem for the locals, much have to do with the local schooling system. So for cadets who spent a whole year in Adelaide, they usually made a significant improvement in terms of their English proficiency, Spoken English precisely. Now they split the program in two locations, six months here, six months there or somewhere, they almost took this opportunity away. Not wise.

As for being stuck at Cathay for at least a couple years due to P2X, this is a very valid point and something every cadet needs to understand before they commit to the program. This may be a deal breaker for some and a non-issue for others. But as long as you know what you are getting yourself into, I don't see this as an issue.
There are plenty of 2 or 5 percent applicants who have no clue about what P2X is, let alone about COS18, and I'm sure the folks who are in the process now HAVE NO IDEA what kind of mess they are about to get themselves into. (People Department will only tell you the things they want you to know, not the things you need to know)

Well I have an idea. Be nice and courteous to fellow crew members. Don't look down on your colleagues because you think you're the greatest pilot in the world. Don't make fun of your colleagues because they don't have the "perfect" accent in your book. You don't have to become buddies with them, but you also don't have to make them feel uncomfortable. Less a**holes in the cockpit = less peer pressure = less depression. Now everybody is happy. Problem solved.​​​​​​​
If it was as easy as you said the world would have been in a better place. We wouldn't have so many kids being bullied problems, women being mistreated problems, LGBT people being discriminated problems, racial discrimination problems etc....We wouldn't even have Trump.

​​​​​​​Lastly, having low self-esteem and confidence is something everybody needs to work on on their own. Everybody earned their spot in the cockpit.
If CX could stick to their old top gun standard we wouldn't have this kind of discussion, at least they could have eliminated the substandard people from the process, which goes back to my original point, the root cause. Btw, how did that work for the young fella who died?!
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Old 26th Nov 2022, 07:15
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Thank you to the people at Fragrant Habour Section. Now I know something about Minimum Hours, Minimum Productivity Pay, Bond etc.. It's completely new to me.
Anyone who wants to get some really good valid information, I suggest to head over that section. www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbour-19/

It's meaningless to have people constantly asking, "hey, anyone interested in joining study group?" "Hey, I'm at stage blah blah, anyone is in the same boat?" ....
This is so stupid. No wonder why experienced pilots are laughing at Cadets. They deserved to be laughed at.
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Old 27th Nov 2022, 04:21
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Originally Posted by Hardrod
You must be so bummed out that she ignored you, Rithfung. Still want to help?
lmao honestly I am just trying to help others like me, however accept or not is not up to me.

And I will still offer help to those who need, after all I have been helped by many others before.
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Old 27th Nov 2022, 07:04
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Originally Posted by Rithfung
lmao honestly I am just trying to help others like me, however accept or not is not up to me.

And I will still offer help to those who need, after all I have been helped by many others before.
MDRT22 asked a few important questions, how come I didn't see you responding? As you said "I will still offer help to those who need"
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Old 28th Nov 2022, 09:55
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Originally Posted by Hardrod
MDRT22 asked a few important questions, how come I didn't see you responding? As you said "I will still offer help to those who need"
Oh yeah, totally not a troll there

I do have a good laugh with the perfect lihkg format post
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Old 29th Nov 2022, 00:47
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Originally Posted by chloe123
Just received an email, and it asked me to join a video call to do this initial assessment test which include:

- Monitoring ability
- Spatial orientation
- Complex control
- Applied numeracy
- Multi-tasking
- Reaction speed
- Work related behaviour

Where would you recommend to source out the information that were mention in above? The test is 120min. Once again, much appreciated for the help! I have zero background.
Not sure if you took the aptitude test yet, but if you did you probably know what it's like now. But I'll reply just for those who are looking to apply in the near future or are about to take the test. The test is run by Aon, so just search Aon [the test in question] on Google and you should be able to find some sample tests.
Monitoring Ability: it's a test with moving dots and you pretty much have to guess how many there are. This one was virtually impossible when it reaches 8+ balls and you pretty much just have to guess. Tells you if you were right or wrong every question.
Spatial Orientation: plane with a heading and a location beacon and you select where the plane is out of 9 possible spots. No instant feedback.
Complex Control: fly through a tunnel trying to get to the highest "level". You can control the speed, but it will also automatically speed up if you keep going without hitting anything. If you hit something, it will stop you briefly and continue on.
Applied Numeracy: 20 questions of pretty simple math, you have 15 minutes to do them. Calculators are allowed so if you know your formulas it's pretty simple (ie. volume, area, conversions, percentages, etc.) No instant feedback.
Multi-Tasking: 3 tasks: determine if a triangle is point left or right, mental addition/subtraction, duplicates numbers. Pretty easy if you're good at mental math. Instant feedback for wrong answers.
Reaction Speed: 2 shapes, press equal when same shape. Easiest test IMO. Instant feedback.
Work Related Behavior: the most time consuming one. I think there were about 100 questions and took me about 30 minutes to do them.

I don't know how well I did but they sent me a final interview offer within 2 hours of submitting the aptitude test.
Will update on what they ask after my interview!

Also not related, but a lot of salty, angry, and gatekeeping elitists on this forum lol
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Old 29th Nov 2022, 07:38
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Originally Posted by dot0086
Not sure if you took the aptitude test yet, but if you did you probably know what it's like now. But I'll reply just for those who are looking to apply in the near future or are about to take the test. The test is run by Aon, so just search Aon [the test in question] on Google and you should be able to find some sample tests.
Monitoring Ability: it's a test with moving dots and you pretty much have to guess how many there are. This one was virtually impossible when it reaches 8+ balls and you pretty much just have to guess. Tells you if you were right or wrong every question.
Spatial Orientation: plane with a heading and a location beacon and you select where the plane is out of 9 possible spots. No instant feedback.
Complex Control: fly through a tunnel trying to get to the highest "level". You can control the speed, but it will also automatically speed up if you keep going without hitting anything. If you hit something, it will stop you briefly and continue on.
Applied Numeracy: 20 questions of pretty simple math, you have 15 minutes to do them. Calculators are allowed so if you know your formulas it's pretty simple (ie. volume, area, conversions, percentages, etc.) No instant feedback.
Multi-Tasking: 3 tasks: determine if a triangle is point left or right, mental addition/subtraction, duplicates numbers. Pretty easy if you're good at mental math. Instant feedback for wrong answers.
Reaction Speed: 2 shapes, press equal when same shape. Easiest test IMO. Instant feedback.
Work Related Behavior: the most time consuming one. I think there were about 100 questions and took me about 30 minutes to do them.

I don't know how well I did but they sent me a final interview offer within 2 hours of submitting the aptitude test.
Will update on what they ask after my interview!

Also not related, but a lot of salty, angry, and gatekeeping elitists on this forum lol
Hi! Thanks a lot for sharing. May i ask how far away is your final interview? And did they give you any choices in terms of time slots? Heard the process is pretty rushed nowadays with little to no time to prepare, unlike the old times where they took their time for different stages.
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Old 29th Nov 2022, 08:13
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dot0086, perhaps you will understand more when you put yourself in their shoes.
jacarandaa, Why the rush? Here is your answer.

Cathay’s pilot exodus persists as pandemic curbs hit morale
Quarantines and demanding schedules prompt flood of resignations, with 30 to 50 pilots leaving each month

One Cathay Pacific pilot had been with the airline for more than five years and planned a long career.
But at the end of September, he quit the Hong Kong carrier, packed up his belongings and headed to Australia for a lower-paying job at a flying academy.
Cathay and its long-suffering pilots have been big casualties of the pandemic, as severe job cuts and punishing Covid-19 restrictions have disrupted operations and hit profits.

“I just needed a break from everything . . . I don’t want to work for Cathay anymore,” said the pilot, who asked not to be named. He added the constant Covid tests and restrictions had sapped his morale and left him tired and stressed.

Working conditions were badly disrupted when Cathay sacked 8,500 people, almost a quarter of its staff, at the height of the pandemic in 2020.

A flood of pilot resignations followed a year later because of anger over pay cuts of up to 60 per cent and irritation with tough Covid-19 curbs.

Ronald Lam, Cathay’s chief customer and commercial officer who takes over as chief executive in January, told the FT last month that it would take another two years — until the end of 2024 or early 2025 — to reach pre-pandemic capacity again.
The airline, known for its premium lounges and loyalty schemes, also faces questions about its identity after the cost cuts.
Looking for new revenue streams after suffering during the pandemic, it aimed to reposition itself as a premium travel lifestyle brand with a focus on ecommerce.
“You have enough on your plate when you are trying to run an airline and just be a good transportation brand,” a former executive said.
“Running a premium lifestyle brand is hard. It is really, really hard . . . particularly now people are going to be back flying again in big numbers.”

In the end, the airline ended up searching for ways to save money as it attempted to reduce the number of cabin crew on each flight and lower the cost of some in-flight services such as drinks offered to passengers, said air crew and former executives.
Cathay insisted in a response that the number of cabin crew onboard flights was “comparable with the market and well above regulatory requirements”.
Among sustainability initiatives, it said it changed some drinks services to reduce the use of plastic, and it had “further enhanced food and beverage offerings” in business class.
“Unfortunately, it is what it is. Cathay has gone from a Rolex to a Casio,” one of the pilots said. “I don’t think you will see a huge recovery for a long, long time.”
http://www.ft.com/content/c906a883-9...d-fb8c42ce448c
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Old 29th Nov 2022, 17:45
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Originally Posted by jacarandaa
Hi! Thanks a lot for sharing. May i ask how far away is your final interview? And did they give you any choices in terms of time slots? Heard the process is pretty rushed nowadays with little to no time to prepare, unlike the old times where they took their time for different stages.
4 slots, furthest slot was 3 days away from invitation email. Pretty rushed indeed!
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Old 30th Nov 2022, 07:15
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Originally Posted by jacarandaa
Hi! Thanks a lot for sharing. May i ask how far away is your final interview? And did they give you any choices in terms of time slots? Heard the process is pretty rushed nowadays with little to no time to prepare, unlike the old times where they took their time for different stages.
Agree. From the day I made an application to the day I had the interview, it only takes about three weeks, so things are definitely moving swiftly fast for me and I did not have the time to do much preparation, I was going with the flow. I remember at one point at the interview I was asked how soon I can start if I am accepted to the program, I was like, wow, you guys are really desperate..Have a bad feeling about this somehow lol.
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Old 3rd Dec 2022, 12:23
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HI Trigonometry. I just get excited to hear from your story. I applied KA cadet in 2018. Now I'm preparing for the second application. Unfortunately, I cannot pm you since your inbox is fulled. Instead, I hope we could talk about it via Tg: davidcx0117 I'm grateful for your help.
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Old 3rd Dec 2022, 14:47
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CX Interview Stage

Hi guys,

I just recently applied for the cadet program and will be taking the computer-based assessment soon (by soon I mean in 2 days).
I am currently overseas and was wondering if the interview will be done online or in person.
If it will be done in person I am going to have to book my tickets soon so any insight will be greatly appreciated!
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Old 3rd Dec 2022, 19:51
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The new process mostly conduct online, including the cut-e test and final interview.
However the ICAO english test might be a bit tricky, but I believe if you can find one ICAO exam provider in your city, CX will accept the result as well.
So the only process need to be done in person is medical check, which is conduct at CX headquarter i believe.
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Old 4th Dec 2022, 02:55
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Originally Posted by dot0086
4 slots, furthest slot was 3 days away from invitation email. Pretty rushed indeed!
Is the final interview conducted in person or via Teams? Cheers!
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Old 5th Dec 2022, 04:30
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Originally Posted by jacarandaa
Is the final interview conducted in person or via Teams? Cheers!
I am located overseas and mine was done via Teams. I am not sure for those based locally.
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Old 6th Dec 2022, 11:38
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Originally Posted by jacarandaa
Is the final interview conducted in person or via Teams? Cheers!
Local here, got my final interview via Teams as well.
Only medical check needs to go cathay city in person
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