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Cathay Pacific Cadet Pilot Programme

Old 4th Mar 2013, 15:53
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Last I checked CX wasnt the only company on the planet offering pilots jobs. Hiring and the flight operations of that company are not related to "running the company"? If I am red flagged over something like this then thats that, it would tell me what kind of company it really is. And also something tells me that if the CEO wanted he wouldnt have replied me and just red flagged me and ignored me no?

I dont care who earns how much at the end of the day. If they say I didn't make the cut then I deserve to know which part I didnt live up to... If nobody ever stood up for themselves the world would be different. If its company policy... Its not ethical period. Atleast I tried to dig deeper rather than the hypocrites on here that ask others not tp join CX for their own personal agendas but yet continue to work for that very same company.
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Old 4th Mar 2013, 22:29
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Let's discuss common sense, professionalism and what's more "integrity" shall we Mediums??

....it would tell me what kind of company it really is.
So you need to black ball yourself in order to find this out? The information passed on by countless others doing the job you seek isn't enough, obviously.

I dont care who earns how much at the end of the day.
Of course you don't. You don't care what experience, knowledge, credentials let alone true worth is in CX or in the industry. You just care about yourself and your own ignorant, me-first agenda and to hell with all others you may screw over in the process.

If they say I didn't make the cut then I deserve to know which part I didnt live up to...
CX HR policy specifically states that feedback will not be given. You choose to spit the dummy and throw your toys from the cot because this policy doesn't suit you. So company policy is good for everyone but you, eh? Arrogant? Unprofessional? Immature? Obviously that was not covered in the wrote learning you did for the interview.

Its not ethical period.
But pursuing a job that others turned down & stood against due the severe undercutting of pilot standards by way of experience, credentials, knowledge as well as terms & credentials is just fine in your eyes. And then whining to the CEO about it? Go on Mediums! Tell us more about "ethics"!!!!

Atleast I tried to dig deeper rather than the hypocrites on here that ask others not tp join CX for their own personal agendas but yet continue to work for that very same company.
You now accuse others of looking out for their own personal agendas?? Yet you demonstrate complete disdain to those exact people you seek to call colleagues by hoping to, asking for and wishing to undermine the standards, terms and conditions that they achieved, stand for and defend? Yes, they work for the very same company and in the job you want but defend AGAINST what the likes of you and they are trying to do to it. Defending what a person or group of people worked harder than the likes of you have the spine to do in order to "earn" a job is very far from any form of hypocrite kid.

I'm sure you'll get your super-cool-pilot-dude job as a P2F guy somewhere soon. Who will you write the cheque out to? The airline's HR department or straight to the CEO??
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Old 4th Mar 2013, 23:15
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Chinabeached,

Where have you been the past 5 years?? Do you watch the news or have any idea what an economy is? Like I stated previously not just the airline industry but every other major industry is going down the pooper. Why? Because of lowering of standards and cheaper talent available. Whether or not you choose to believe it. I do understand what you all are trying to do here but trust me you cannot and will not win against a major player in an industry. Its survival of the fittest... Its not necessarily me wanting your job but other industries have plunged too leaving some of us with no choice.

We all have families to support and bills to pay. I am still passionate about flying, as for what the flying industry or any other industry will look like in 10 years not so much. Chinabeached I did contact HR and Flight recruitment first but was literally told to piss off. As a last resort I emailed the CEO and only then did I get s reply from flight recruitment that was someone educated and atleast had some common courtesy.

Things are going to get worse, incomes less but expenses more. That is a fact. And for the record I was planning to fight for the best possible pay as to not screw over guys at the top. Good day sir!
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Old 4th Mar 2013, 23:38
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1. Don't blame the "economy" to justify your decision to agree to undercutting the pilot remuneration package at CX when they bought in the iCadet C-Scale package in the same year they made RECORD profits.

2. Yes. Cheaper labour and lower standards are available. You are testament.

3. We will not win because of point 2.

4. HR told you p!ss off because they upheld company policy, which you believe you were above yet actually agreed to in accepting the interview terms and conditions.

5. Things are going to get worse.... That is a fact. Refer to point 2.

6. You seek a job dismissed by those making a stand against it in the hope of selfishly improving your own lot by doing so. Don't pretend to be on some crusade kid!!!

Flyninja....some tips for your interview (whilst I'm in the mood):

Written tests: this means placing pen or pencil against a fibrous paper-esque material and scribing symbols, alphanumeric or language based (typically English before you ask). Google the difference between "pen" and "pencil" as I'm sure that may be your next question. If in doubt ask to speak to the CEO.

Computer tests: like the box you're reading this on, but perhaps different in appearance. Tasks and tests are performed using it. Select a finger (I can suggest one) and press a key (alphanumerical language based, typically English before you ask) in a downward motion to select it. If in doubt ask to speak to the CEO.

Dressing: left arm goes in left shirt sleeve, and the right in the right. Magic. Repeat similar process for trousers. Buttons and tie - ask someone more qualified for assistance. Repeat similar process for jacket if you so chose. If in doubt ask to speak to the CEO.

Multiple choice means there are more than one option as to the answer. Just select the answer you memorised the best. If in doubt ask to speak to the CEO.

While performing all of the above exhale, then inhale. Google if necessary. If in doubt ask to speak to the CEO.

If confused, unhappy, or feel hard done by please email the CEO of CX for clarification. Good luck!

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Old 5th Mar 2013, 00:01
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Yeah listen to what Chinabeached has to say. Dont accept the offer just sit in your parents basement, you are winning!! Or mcdonalds is always hiring, lucky for us minimum wage is $30 HKD/hr soon! Please give us more of your insight oh mighty chinabeached.

Ignore him flyninja, he got sand in his urethra cause CX didnt take him in and he is now waging war from his parents basement. He will uphold the standards of A scale pay, keep dreaming sir. You may now put your tinfoil hat back on and lead the resistance.

Cant accept that the economy is going to shit? No worries just dont accept any job,you are way above most jobs. Just bunk up in CB's basement.
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Old 5th Mar 2013, 00:30
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If my parent's basement you mean widebody jet, you're right.

If by McDonalds you mean a job without screwing over others, then you've made a good choice.

If by CX didn't take me because I turned them down and refused to grip my ankles by my hands and grin while saying "thank you master" then you're right again.

Economy gone / going to shit? I wonder how the DFO and cronies who orchestrated C-Scale are getting by? I wonder how their salaries have suffered? or have they increased via incentive bonuses to cut costs a la iCadetship and C-Scale? Price fixing = bonuses paid. Screwed up fuel hedging = bonuses paid.

My insight? No. Just facts that you have zero comprehension of to argue with or against. Experience, credentials and knowledge: all the things you have none of, especially of the airline that you seek to aid spiral downward.

Kid, count how many here with that experience at CX or with widebody international airline experience speak against C-Scale as oppose to for it. Now count those not working at CX but seeking to under C-Scale do defend it. It's called statistical facts borne by reasoning and knowledge.

Mediums, you'll always be just that: the medium and average at best, seeking the scraps of what others turned down to get what you want.
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Old 5th Mar 2013, 01:03
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Dear Mr. Widebody/basement,

I wouldnt hope too much, yes I will be the medium or the average that puts you in a basement when I take your job for less paper than you got.

No shit sherlock, you just figured out that a business has to make profits and that they are there to make profits for themselves and could give less of a shit about you? Its how a business runs. Im guessing you are balls deep into a mortgage or other bills and got your panties in a bunch cause soon your job too will be taken by another "medium" or "average". Id say sucks to be in your position. Better get that basement ready!

Im the immature and non experienced one yet he chooses to argue with me and prove that I am wrong. Sure makes sense...

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Old 5th Mar 2013, 02:47
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Mediums,

I sincerely hope that you come back in 5 years and read your posts once again. You are a sick, sad indictment of human nature and epitomise almost perfectly exactly what is wrong with this industry.

I won't be arguing with you. Feel free to email the CEO of my company.

[email protected]

j3

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Old 5th Mar 2013, 04:10
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Mediums,
I think ,"thinking" about writing to the man at the top is a good move and in some situations and industries it may be correct ,so I give you credit for thinking about it..

However not everything we think about we should act on..

It all really depends on your tone and content of the letter..

That is something we cannot judge on..

In this case though it has the ability to put more people offside with you than on your side..

All the best
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Old 5th Mar 2013, 04:48
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Blade,

The context was mostly thanking them for the oppurtunity and wanting to improve. However, put of 8 tests I have no clue which one I flunked so I think if you take that many tests you should atleast get some report back on which part you didnt do well so that in future you can
Improve or if you failed everything then you could give it up as a hopeless dream.

I didnt even expect a reply but did get one and I was astonished. Their HR lady told me that my queries were understandable and gave me more insight on how I did. There are no scores or progress bar where you could atleast get some rough idea of what the standard is.

However, unfortunately on this board any form of strive towards your passion is bashed and met with a bunch of numbers n living costs that most of them will most likely take all that money to their graves and beyond.
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Old 5th Mar 2013, 06:41
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Wow, you sound like a great person. I bet if they said we will offer you the job for 50% but it means we have to fire someone you would jump at the "opportunity".

ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME is all I hear when I read your posts. Grow up.

Oh and by the way genius, if you are going to try again just remember that everything you write here is under your real name. All your bad grammar, poor spelling and childlike views. I am sure there is only one spoiled little kid who has written to the CEO after failing.

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Old 5th Mar 2013, 07:23
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As i was just reading another ppruner commenting on the nasty Qatar working conditions and pay.. I think this applies here in CX too..

He sum up his comment by saying...

"So basically we are like that other famous profession. They pay the money and we take it and thats it. If we don't like it we move to the next customer"
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Old 5th Mar 2013, 12:07
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The CEO may have replied to you however, one must understand the Swire/CX way of operating, coupled with Hk culture. The CEO would have delegated the relevant department Director, thence manager, thence assistant manager....... to find out who actually must take the rap for "giving you the idea" to write to him. A big loss of face has occurred here and you can be sure that, as you are the cause of it, your name is up in lights in the Recruiting Dept. oh yeah, then they will quote the "Data Privacy Ordinance" as a final "shut up and go away forever" please.
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Old 5th Mar 2013, 14:56
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Talk is cheap... I will find out in about 11 months. Will keep you all updated for sure and btw loss of face is a HK/Chinese thing. The CEO is not chinese... Either way for me getting a reply was courtesy enough on the company's part.

Haters gonna hate...
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Old 6th Mar 2013, 08:30
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Talk is cheap... I will find out in about 11 months. Will keep you all updated for sure and btw loss of face is a HK/Chinese thing. The CEO is not chinese... Either way for me getting a reply was courtesy enough on the company's part.

Haters gonna hate...
Dreamers gonna dream.

Your talk on this forum and elsewhere has probably cost you a lot, so talk is not so cheap for you.
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Old 6th Mar 2013, 15:51
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yeah, you left yourself wide open kid..

And you actually though the CEO replied you in person?!

I fear for this generation.
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Old 6th Mar 2013, 20:41
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I thought the CEO had taken chinese citizenship
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Old 7th Mar 2013, 00:50
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Spot on, stopped the pesky IRS looking into all those off-shore accounts.
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Old 11th Mar 2013, 15:26
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Cathay Pacific forecast to see earnings dive | South China Morning Post

The airline, hit by high fuel costs, weak demand and uncertain economic conditions, is expected to report 90 per cent fall in profit for last year
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Old 12th Mar 2013, 02:00
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...which means they will welcome even more cheap novices who will 'fly' for food.
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