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Cathay Pacific Cadet Pilot Programme

Old 18th Dec 2012, 17:20
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Old 18th Dec 2012, 18:17
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Originally designed for locals and should remain that way.
Many HKID card holders would probably like to work in Australia or Europe but cannot due to immigration or other issues.

This is a benefit that only an HKID holder should get just like most locals would not be able to apply for the BA course because they cannot live in Europe or Jetstar because of strict Australian visa requirements.
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Old 18th Dec 2012, 22:03
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Lets get the story straight.

Cathay now only hire HKID card holders for the ab initio programme. This I totally agree with. The reason that non locals were being considered was because at one point they were struggling to get enough locals through the recruitment process. The HK dept of immigration has stopped this so it's now a non issue.

As for the AE and TT programmes lets talk about what you need. Sloppyjoe says 250 hours isn't a skill. No its not but read on.

AE 250 hours with 100 hours PIC minimum. The people I interviewed with bar one had at least 1000 hours more than this minimum.

TT An ATPL with 500 hours on multi engine a/c greater than 2000kg.

Now I don't know how the AE and TT programs are stealing jobs from locals as I doubt there are no more than a couple of HKers around the world holding these quals. I know a couple and they didn't make it through the interview process. That's not CX's fault.

As for foreigners working in OZ Schweizer let me think,

REX sponsors type rated Saab 340 Captains from overseas.
Skywest was sponsoring ATR 72 Capt's and FO for introduction of type.
Jetgo is currently sponsoring type rated ERJ 145 Capt's and FO's.

Now Australia has a huge GA sector with plenty of out of work pilots yet some companies get away with hiring expats. If Australia has to get outsiders in from time to time I don't see how CX can function without getting expats in to crew their aircraft.

As I pointed out at the start, Ab initio is no longer open to non HKID card holders so please stop talking about it and saying that expats are taking all your jobs. It's getting a little tiring now. I suspect some people making these statements are Hong Kongers who have failed to secure a place on the programme and now place the blame on expats.
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Old 19th Dec 2012, 03:17
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I have failed but I do not blame the expats. They were invited to join on their own merit. I simply believe a course that was designed for locals should remain that way and expat pilots should join for their experience as direct entries.

As for foreigners working in OZ Schweizer let me think,

REX sponsors type rated Saab 340 Captains from overseas.
Skywest was sponsoring ATR 72 Capt's and FO for introduction of type.
Jetgo is currently sponsoring type rated ERJ 145 Capt's and FO's.
How many locals have the experience to join there? Unlike Australia there is no GA where a local can get his HK licence and go fly bug smashers to build the hours and join skywest etc....

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Old 19th Dec 2012, 04:22
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You missed the point again

Scheiwer,

I will repeat again, The Ab initio programme is exclusively for locals now at CX. It was for a very long time and only took a handful of expats anyway during a very small window of time.

CX used to take DEFO's and the min was a couple of thousand hours jet. They now only ask for an ATPL licence with 500 hours multi and it's called TT.

They also used to take DESO's and the min was 1000 hours fixed wing with your ATPL theory completed. They now call this AE with the min reduced to 250 hours.

So it's back to the way it used it to. The only difference is that DEFO and DESO have morphed into AE and TT.

How is this stealing jobs from locals?
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Old 19th Dec 2012, 06:43
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''but SIA has a standard to keep''

You mean the guy from 'North' of Singapore who took off from TPE and ran into a excavator [s]? what 'standard' is that?

That fateful morning everyone else stopped flying except the Tropical livery.

Singaporeans males serve 1 month or more Armed forces reservists training EVERY YEAR for many years.

Other nationalities don't, if you are a 4th floor Bean counter looking at the bottom line, would you pay an employee 1 month salary for doing nothing?
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Old 19th Dec 2012, 09:12
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Pilotchute.

Before telling people how it is you should make sure you are correct.

There is nothing similar to DEFO anymore. TT as you call it is the most similar to what DESO used to be. The minimums were 1000hrs but I have not come across anyone without a minimum of about 2000 hrs of which a substantial portion was multi crew. Most DESO entrants had 3000+ hrs with command multi crew time, not unusual for that to be in an airline ops jet.

AE as you call it is a new thing to get enough people willing to accept the poor contract as TT alone does not attract enough guys. They are doing this alongside ab-initio as it is quicker to get cheap bums in seats rather than waiting over a year for locals.

This is removing opportunities for locals as prior to the reduction of the contract it was either DESO or ab-initio. DESO they paid a premium to get guys/girls with experience that really could not be found in HKG. The AE program takes guys/girls with no real experience, positions that used to be for locals joining via the cadet scheme.

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Old 19th Dec 2012, 09:13
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So the head of bean counting at SIA is going to stop all local recruitment of Cadets in favour of Malaysians and Indians so they can save a months salary?

Now I'm no expert but in most Reserve forces around the globe you will get paid for your Reserve service. This is regardless of if it's for a day or a month. I'm sure SIA doesn't have to pay it's pilots whilst they are on Military service. Why would they get paid by the Govt and SIA at the same time?

So what percentage of of the SIA pilot body is now made up of Cadets from India or Singapore? Any hard numbers?

Sorry but I just don't buy it!
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Old 19th Dec 2012, 11:17
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"I m no expert"

Exactly so..

You hv a lot to say about Cx and SQ.
Singapore nearly shut down their airline bcos of non Singaporeans.That resulted in a concerted effort to go more local.

You were CX AE and now on holding?
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Old 19th Dec 2012, 13:26
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''So the head of bean counting at SIA is going to stop all local recruitment of Cadets in favour of Malaysians and Indians so they can save a months salary?''
You obviously don't know the industry.

SQ has a 'standard' You imply locals are not suitable? Indians and Malaysians are ?

Singapore has highest GPD [higher than Swiss and Sweden]
Highest literacy
Highest ratio of Billion/Millionaires
Best health rate [debatable]
Highest education standard [Countries copy their curriculum]
Costliest property prices -higher than Monaco
Most expensive cars
Best food
Most expensive politicians

Its not because their locals are not capable but rather they are not attracted to the industry -too highly qualified.

Oh btw their are several Doctors who are flying for SQ and Lawyers too.
So there goes that theory..
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Old 19th Dec 2012, 19:14
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You maybe right with alot of things you say there about Singapore (not about GDP PP though - Singapore is about 5th) but saying Singapore has the best food is just plain wrong!
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Old 19th Dec 2012, 21:21
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Sloppyjoe,

I never said AE and TT are similar to the old DEFO and DESO. I stated that they changed the mins and called them something different. My point was a TT only gets weeks six weeks training before type rating making it the closest thing to DEFO that CX now has. AE is now the closest thing they have to DEFO. I don't think I said at any point they were similar. Please read my post properly.

Judging from your post I think you want HKID card holders to be the only people getting recruited by CX? Is the case you put up as DEFO and DESO will never come back. Don't think that will work.

If AE and TT is a ploy to get cheap expat bums on seats (which I don't deny) then why don't you vent to Cathay management? No point sitting on Pprune and telling expats to stay away 'cause with the economic situation in most of the world people that normally wouldn't consider the C scale wages now find CX the only option for a job. Not just now but for a long time in the future. Airlines are still shutting down in Europe.

Without trawling through my previous posts I don't beleive I said that Indians or Malaysians were more qualified than locals but that the locals applying weren't getting through. As wongsuzie states the locals are not interested in flying for SIA it appears.

I can only base the content of my posts from speaking to former expat SIA and Cathay pilots.

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Old 20th Dec 2012, 02:20
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CX used to take DEFO's and the min was a couple of thousand hours jet. They now only ask for an ATPL licence with 500 hours multi and it's called TT.
Maybe English is not your first language so you don't understand that by comparing the two like that you are implying that TT is the new DEFO.

I have never advised expats not to join. Please read my post more carefully.

DEFO and DESO will never come back. Don't think that will work.
Yes it would, they had people with thousands of hours queuing up for a jobs. DESO 3000+ hours with multi crew time, command time, jet/turboprop time. DEFO 6000+ hours with airline command time, widebody FO time, military jet time etc.

Along with the above there were a descent number of local cadets also getting in through ab-initio.

Again you should not lecture people on things you do not fully comprehend. Maybe your second hand info is out of date or you misunderstood.
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Old 20th Dec 2012, 02:46
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''The local singaporeans might be unhappy about the recruitment arrangements but SIA has a standard to keep'' [viz Indian and Malaysian cadets]

Don't play games, boy

''I can only base the content of my posts from speaking to former expat SIA and Cathay pilots''.

Ok I understand where the problem is...
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Old 20th Dec 2012, 04:06
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Wongsuzie,

When I said they had a standard to keep I meant of the people SIA were sending off to do ab initio flight training. If the locals coming to interview at SIA headquarters isn't deemed suitable for ab initio training then they will look elsewhere. That was the intent of the comment. I by no means wanted to imply that any nationality is better at flying an airplane than any other.

Yes I am in the hold file and that is fine. Not everything happens in the time frame you expect it to.

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Old 24th Dec 2012, 05:15
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Holidays!

Happy holidays everyone! To all aspiring candidates and current cx crew!
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Old 25th Dec 2012, 02:23
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wow wow wow

why is there a debate about Singapore here?


for reservist, the govt pays the company for taking away their male employee for a period of 1wk-6wks every yr for a decade.

the downpoint isn't abt the money, it's abt the absence of the worker and who is to take over his duties while he's serving his reservist.

not just reservist, every combat fit male will have to pass a yearly physical test, failure of which will result in them attending 20 physical training sessions in the evenings, spanning 3months.
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Old 28th Dec 2012, 18:42
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Here are the CX cadet stats for 2012

14,538 cadet applicants
2,254 interviews conducted
244 Second Officers recruited

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Old 28th Dec 2012, 20:50
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only 15% applicants got interview?
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Old 29th Dec 2012, 01:55
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Amazing isn't it? How many interviewers do you think there are? They couldn't handle any more. Also, you would think that the 15% would comprise the most suitable applicants. What happened there???
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