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Does anyone know if any RAF guys who got chopped during the MOD cutbacks have accepted an iCad position?
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I believe of the 29 who came to HKG for interviews, all but one were offered a position.
12 (?) accepted and I believe 2 actually took the position...
I don't know how valid this is, but never let the truth get in the way of a good story!
12 (?) accepted and I believe 2 actually took the position...
I don't know how valid this is, but never let the truth get in the way of a good story!
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Just another kid of a CX captain that took the iCadet option.
Now I understand I really, really should have listened to those that know better.
Lots of guys have parents who are ex CX and they shake their heads in disgust at our terms and honestly, I think rightly so.
Though being trapped in a 5+ year cycle as a second officer (which no one will recognise time) is a horrid thing.
When I was a child I grew up in a nice house and my parents did not have to worry about education, medical etc.
Now is NOT the case.
When my father joined CX they had about a dozen aircraft. A different system of management and a different culture. What I have is good, but not great, and I certainly wish I put the hard yards in charter and if I really had SJS bough a 320 or 737ng rating or work to be a PIC of a KingAir and worked contract.
HK is expensive and if your going for a job that you will struggle to own a car then it doesn't take an idiot to think twice...
Now I understand I really, really should have listened to those that know better.
Lots of guys have parents who are ex CX and they shake their heads in disgust at our terms and honestly, I think rightly so.
Though being trapped in a 5+ year cycle as a second officer (which no one will recognise time) is a horrid thing.
When I was a child I grew up in a nice house and my parents did not have to worry about education, medical etc.
Now is NOT the case.
When my father joined CX they had about a dozen aircraft. A different system of management and a different culture. What I have is good, but not great, and I certainly wish I put the hard yards in charter and if I really had SJS bough a 320 or 737ng rating or work to be a PIC of a KingAir and worked contract.
HK is expensive and if your going for a job that you will struggle to own a car then it doesn't take an idiot to think twice...
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Yeah Brisdude, speak up 
. Some questions.
How long have you been an SO for?
What did your old man say about the iCadet, did they encourage you to do it rather than going a GA way?
Did you consider KA? I guess you have a perm id card? If you didnt consider it why not?
. Some questions.How long have you been an SO for?
What did your old man say about the iCadet, did they encourage you to do it rather than going a GA way?
Did you consider KA? I guess you have a perm id card? If you didnt consider it why not?
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Dear All,
Does anyone know of any ab initio cadets who have successfully made it onto this program (who are not HK nationals/residents)? I've been told it is mainly FI's, ex-RAF redundancies, low-hour prop guys and girls making it. Are any/many purely rookie 'international cadets' joining this scheme? Thanks
Does anyone know of any ab initio cadets who have successfully made it onto this program (who are not HK nationals/residents)? I've been told it is mainly FI's, ex-RAF redundancies, low-hour prop guys and girls making it. Are any/many purely rookie 'international cadets' joining this scheme? Thanks
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172 pages & 3431 previous posts of the same naive & ignorant questions asked that have been answered MANY times.
172 pages & 3431 posts & another ignorant wannabe sell out who hasn't bothered to read the the entire thread comes to the fray about cynicism & broken records. Genius. Again, just the perfect imbecilic stooge that CX management find it so easy to promote this insulting offer to. Even a guy above actually DOING IT has the professionalism to mention the truths but you'll define him as a "broken record" because his knowledge & experience that you seek doesn't fit into the cocoon of stupidity & ignorance you rely on to make your decisions.
You wrote it. If ignorant fools like yourself keep coming to this debate or topic asking the same moronic questions answered so MANY times then expect the same answers. Papaerplanes89 yet again cements this point.
"Sticks one's neck out" you wrote on a prior post? As Mark Twain said, "It's better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it & remove all doubt."
172 pages & 3431 posts. I'll guarantee another "passionate" wannabe posts the same questions within the next 5 pages. Such "passion" they claim yet so lazy to do any form of decent research. For a career they earmark "passion" to they show zero effort to be bothered to read up on. They turn to, rely on & argue from an ill informed standpoint on a rumour network in search of career determining information as opposed to calling CX themselves to receive the facts. (Least of all consider those offering the facts from both sides of the debate).
Pay bananas, get monkeys. I hope guys like soudbite get the CX job. An aviation pariah he seeks to be, a pariah he deserves to be labelled for life. At this stage though your greatest achievement in applying for the sell-out job is to have located your HSC. Keep going!!! Pen to paper on a really and truly and really true life application form coud be a reality!!! Parental assistance is encouraged in your case & may not be considered cheating. But practice first & use a rumour network to ask how!! Then bitch if the answers don't suit of course.....
Don't get me wrong. I can see why you defend this iCadet package so pathetically. If CX were to bring back the high standards of recruitment as well as remuneration then experienced airmen with credentials would apply again, thus leaving the likes of you unable to not only compete, but to even qualify. You prefer to start fires & to hell with the major (as well as life threatening) consequences of arson just because you want to be a fireman like in the movies & TV shows. In your mind, you're a genius & the reasoning makes sense.
172 pages & 3431 posts & another ignorant wannabe sell out who hasn't bothered to read the the entire thread comes to the fray about cynicism & broken records. Genius. Again, just the perfect imbecilic stooge that CX management find it so easy to promote this insulting offer to. Even a guy above actually DOING IT has the professionalism to mention the truths but you'll define him as a "broken record" because his knowledge & experience that you seek doesn't fit into the cocoon of stupidity & ignorance you rely on to make your decisions.
Wow, guy sticks his neck out by asking a question, only to get it chopped off shortly afterwards. Welcome to PPRuNe.
"Sticks one's neck out" you wrote on a prior post? As Mark Twain said, "It's better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it & remove all doubt."
172 pages & 3431 posts. I'll guarantee another "passionate" wannabe posts the same questions within the next 5 pages. Such "passion" they claim yet so lazy to do any form of decent research. For a career they earmark "passion" to they show zero effort to be bothered to read up on. They turn to, rely on & argue from an ill informed standpoint on a rumour network in search of career determining information as opposed to calling CX themselves to receive the facts. (Least of all consider those offering the facts from both sides of the debate).
Pay bananas, get monkeys. I hope guys like soudbite get the CX job. An aviation pariah he seeks to be, a pariah he deserves to be labelled for life. At this stage though your greatest achievement in applying for the sell-out job is to have located your HSC. Keep going!!! Pen to paper on a really and truly and really true life application form coud be a reality!!! Parental assistance is encouraged in your case & may not be considered cheating. But practice first & use a rumour network to ask how!! Then bitch if the answers don't suit of course.....
Don't get me wrong. I can see why you defend this iCadet package so pathetically. If CX were to bring back the high standards of recruitment as well as remuneration then experienced airmen with credentials would apply again, thus leaving the likes of you unable to not only compete, but to even qualify. You prefer to start fires & to hell with the major (as well as life threatening) consequences of arson just because you want to be a fireman like in the movies & TV shows. In your mind, you're a genius & the reasoning makes sense.
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i applied last year augest, but still no reply from cx yet
in the mean time, i got my PPL and training on a tail wheel, landing was hard special when hit cross wind, so it slow down my slow, and I slow on my 30th hour, and got my PPL in 55 hours, if any of you guys familiar with CX, I have heard that CX will not consider you if you didn't slow in 15 hours, now I am twice more than that... do you think that's a done deal with cadet program for me with CX and KA. thx
in the mean time, i got my PPL and training on a tail wheel, landing was hard special when hit cross wind, so it slow down my slow, and I slow on my 30th hour, and got my PPL in 55 hours, if any of you guys familiar with CX, I have heard that CX will not consider you if you didn't slow in 15 hours, now I am twice more than that... do you think that's a done deal with cadet program for me with CX and KA. thx
I'll guarantee another "passionate" wannabe posts the same questions within the next 5 pages.
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True.
But you'll notice that every few pages a new guy comes along to sprout his ill informed & ignorant opinions. Oddly enough they are usually the same as the last guy who doesn't read, research or comprehend before posting. He puts up an attempted fight to defend the undefendable and goes away. People read this and talk. The more who talk the better.
The more people who read and see this insult & debacle for what it is the better, so it's not a complete exercise in head-butting a brick wall. Then again some sheep willfully go into the slaughter house determined & convinced that the nice farmer won't do it to them......
But you'll notice that every few pages a new guy comes along to sprout his ill informed & ignorant opinions. Oddly enough they are usually the same as the last guy who doesn't read, research or comprehend before posting. He puts up an attempted fight to defend the undefendable and goes away. People read this and talk. The more who talk the better.
The more people who read and see this insult & debacle for what it is the better, so it's not a complete exercise in head-butting a brick wall. Then again some sheep willfully go into the slaughter house determined & convinced that the nice farmer won't do it to them......
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I dont understand why people fail to see how much of an insult this cpp package really is. As a captain you will not be that much better off than a 3rd year SO on Cos08!!. I'm passionate about flying along with all you other wannabes, but becoming an airline pilot is a LIFESTYLE, no more no less. As an airline pilot i expect a good lifestyle for me and future family. With this cpp, that will be difficult. All "negetivity" aside (valuable info you decide to ignore), ok realistically as a young single person you can live "reasonably" on this cpp conditions, its doable no doubt.... but 12 years from now as an FO you will not be living the lifestyle you deserve. Now before this becomes an "aviation is not what it used be" debate, i agree with that statement but my gosh this package is pure scum and actually makes me sick. No wonder CX lacks transition guys like CB etc, they know better and knocked back the cpp. All you have to see is the "cpp captain vs Cos08 SO" facts to see how bad this really is. Maybe someone with better info (CB im looking at you my friend lol) can outline in detail exactly how worse off you will be as a capt on cpp than a current SO on Cos08. Thats my 2 cents worth. 77W
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Some basic maths that these "passionate" guys do not either wish to consider or wish to call CX to receive the FACTS....
From the ACTUAL iCadet Offer HKPLA:
Assuming a 20 year old joins the CEP and retires at 62 (for argument's sake):
SO = $10k HKD / month (say for 4 years) = $480k HKD
JFO & FO = $14k HKD / month (say for 4 years as JFO & 6 years as FO) = $672k HKD
SFO = $18k HKD / month (say for 6 years) = $432k HKD
Capt1 to Capt2 = $24k HKD / month (say 6 years) = $1,728k HKD
Capt3 to Capt6 = $30k HKD / month (say 8 years) = $2,880k HKD
Capt7 = $36k HKD / month (say for last 8 years of your career) = $3,456k HKD
For a 42 year career the HKPLA AVERAGE: $9,648k total HKPLA "given" by CX / 42 years / 12 months in a year = $19,143 HKD per month.
The iCadet HKPLA IS NOT factored to CPI.
Let's be VERY, VERY, VERY conservative and say that inflation is only an average of 5% per year in HK for those 42 years (yeah, right....) gives a NET MONTHLY housing allowance of $2,478 HKD per month (an average of $19,143 HKD per month depreciating at 5% per year) over this illustrious career or "opportunity" CX are "giving" you!!!!!!! Then again, the "passionate" wannabes know all this already & can argue from an informed point of view.
Play with the figures, change what you want. They are only very kind and conservative at best. If anything, they will only get far, FAR worse. I only used 5% inflation where last year it was 22% alone!!!!
Now let's look at CX's lovely management culture. To quote from TT in the year ending 2010 statement where profit was $14.048 BILLION (9 March, 2011):
"...best ever year...." and then "...in line with our philosophy to share the rewards when times are good...."
And they bring in the CEP scheme by way of sharing the profits and "best ever year". What great team players.
The CoS08 figures are best described by someone better than me, although i have that document. In short, the "BASE" housing allowance is stated as being factored to CPI and is:
SO < 2 years at CX = $14k HKD / month
SO > 2 years at CX = $18k HKD / month
JFO & higher rank = $24k HKD / month
Assistance in excess of the base rates are:
Capts = $55k HKD / month
JFO/FO/SFO > 8 years at CX = $45k HKD / month
Rent Free Zone (RFZ) = $35k HKD / month where SO's after 2 years can choose 50% of the RFZ or the base rate (details of definitions too in depth....), as per others after 8 years at CX....
Also, those under CoS08 & other receive the upgraded housing allowance on commencement of an upgrade course. The iCadet package only upon gaining the new title. Consider that upgrades can last from start to finish many months: 6+ months at times considering ground school, sectors, etc.....
Do the maths & see what an insult this CEP is.
For those about to argue I'm wrong to have posted these figures, they are no secret and widely known in the industry, and readily available with minimal research. Anyone who does not know them and is applying for CX is a damn fool.
The decision is a no brainer, except for the ones who deny what they do not know.
For those able & willing, please correct where needed.
From the ACTUAL iCadet Offer HKPLA:
Assuming a 20 year old joins the CEP and retires at 62 (for argument's sake):
SO = $10k HKD / month (say for 4 years) = $480k HKD
JFO & FO = $14k HKD / month (say for 4 years as JFO & 6 years as FO) = $672k HKD
SFO = $18k HKD / month (say for 6 years) = $432k HKD
Capt1 to Capt2 = $24k HKD / month (say 6 years) = $1,728k HKD
Capt3 to Capt6 = $30k HKD / month (say 8 years) = $2,880k HKD
Capt7 = $36k HKD / month (say for last 8 years of your career) = $3,456k HKD
For a 42 year career the HKPLA AVERAGE: $9,648k total HKPLA "given" by CX / 42 years / 12 months in a year = $19,143 HKD per month.
The iCadet HKPLA IS NOT factored to CPI.
Let's be VERY, VERY, VERY conservative and say that inflation is only an average of 5% per year in HK for those 42 years (yeah, right....) gives a NET MONTHLY housing allowance of $2,478 HKD per month (an average of $19,143 HKD per month depreciating at 5% per year) over this illustrious career or "opportunity" CX are "giving" you!!!!!!! Then again, the "passionate" wannabes know all this already & can argue from an informed point of view.
Play with the figures, change what you want. They are only very kind and conservative at best. If anything, they will only get far, FAR worse. I only used 5% inflation where last year it was 22% alone!!!!
Now let's look at CX's lovely management culture. To quote from TT in the year ending 2010 statement where profit was $14.048 BILLION (9 March, 2011):
"...best ever year...." and then "...in line with our philosophy to share the rewards when times are good...."
And they bring in the CEP scheme by way of sharing the profits and "best ever year". What great team players.
The CoS08 figures are best described by someone better than me, although i have that document. In short, the "BASE" housing allowance is stated as being factored to CPI and is:
SO < 2 years at CX = $14k HKD / month
SO > 2 years at CX = $18k HKD / month
JFO & higher rank = $24k HKD / month
Assistance in excess of the base rates are:
Capts = $55k HKD / month
JFO/FO/SFO > 8 years at CX = $45k HKD / month
Rent Free Zone (RFZ) = $35k HKD / month where SO's after 2 years can choose 50% of the RFZ or the base rate (details of definitions too in depth....), as per others after 8 years at CX....
Also, those under CoS08 & other receive the upgraded housing allowance on commencement of an upgrade course. The iCadet package only upon gaining the new title. Consider that upgrades can last from start to finish many months: 6+ months at times considering ground school, sectors, etc.....
Do the maths & see what an insult this CEP is.
For those about to argue I'm wrong to have posted these figures, they are no secret and widely known in the industry, and readily available with minimal research. Anyone who does not know them and is applying for CX is a damn fool.
The decision is a no brainer, except for the ones who deny what they do not know.
For those able & willing, please correct where needed.
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CX CPP recruitment schedule 2011, 2012
Hi all,
Is that ture that CX CPP has no definite schedule( because of a no. of batches), Anyone has any idea about recent recruitment schedule? I have applied in the begining of Oct and they just said wait, I dont have any further notice even now.
thx
Is that ture that CX CPP has no definite schedule( because of a no. of batches), Anyone has any idea about recent recruitment schedule? I have applied in the begining of Oct and they just said wait, I dont have any further notice even now.
thx