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Thanks a lot for your reply. What you say with respect to the salary having apparently increased does make sense.
As for those instructors down in ADL, having racked up circa 2000hrs of PIC time, couldn't an option for them be to return to cathay, do their required bonded service (not sure how long this is?) and then move back down to Oz as that way they would have avoided having to repay the 'forgiveable loan' and are in a better position to apply to other airlines? Just a thought!
Also, with this forgiveable loan, after the icadets have done their required length of service (I believe this is 6 years?) are they able to walk away from Cathay with no liability to repay any of the training costs? (Obviously it'd be near impossible to find a job elsewhere owing to lack of PIC time but i'm just wondering how long a cadet has this 'liability' hanging over them for?).
One other thing, how much can S/O's expect to earn each year or month in duty allowances?
Thanks a lot guys for all your help. Some very informative posts in this thread!
Thanks a lot for your reply. What you say with respect to the salary having apparently increased does make sense.
As for those instructors down in ADL, having racked up circa 2000hrs of PIC time, couldn't an option for them be to return to cathay, do their required bonded service (not sure how long this is?) and then move back down to Oz as that way they would have avoided having to repay the 'forgiveable loan' and are in a better position to apply to other airlines? Just a thought!
Also, with this forgiveable loan, after the icadets have done their required length of service (I believe this is 6 years?) are they able to walk away from Cathay with no liability to repay any of the training costs? (Obviously it'd be near impossible to find a job elsewhere owing to lack of PIC time but i'm just wondering how long a cadet has this 'liability' hanging over them for?).
One other thing, how much can S/O's expect to earn each year or month in duty allowances?
Thanks a lot guys for all your help. Some very informative posts in this thread!
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i'm not too sure about the 18 month period to upgrade from SO to FO for the instructors, highly doubt it. If DESOs had/have to do it for at least 3 years then my best bet is that they would have had to as well.
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yes and yes, they can walk away after the 6 years of service with no liability to repay the loan to CX, and yes it would be near impossible to find a job, and a pain to convert to JAA to FAA CPL. as mentioned before by lost&found, CX is definitely not an "hour building" airline.
not sure if these below are correct for today, they were the rough figures back in 2008 maybe you can use them as a guide...
hope that helps
And what about the job then as S/O? Did they still have to work for +/- 4 years like the iCadets or was that reduced to approx. 18 months?
ap_797
Also, with this forgiveable loan, after the icadets have done their required length of service (I believe this is 6 years?) are they able to walk away from Cathay with no liability to repay any of the training costs? (Obviously it'd be near impossible to find a job elsewhere owing to lack of PIC time but i'm just wondering how long a cadet has this 'liability' hanging over them for?).
One other thing, how much can S/O's expect to earn each year or month in duty allowances?
For pay issues the duty time is essentially blocks off to blocks on.
The duty pay depends on the number of hours.
SO $20 (0-55.9) $35 (56-69.9) $60 (70-84)
JFO $30 (0-55.9) $50 (56-69.9) $90 (70-84)
You will typically do 75+ hours per month. Therefore 75 hours would equate to A) 55.9 x $20 = $1118 + B) 13.9 x $35 = $486.50 + C) 5.1 x $60 = $306
A+B+C = $1910.50
The duty pay depends on the number of hours.
SO $20 (0-55.9) $35 (56-69.9) $60 (70-84)
JFO $30 (0-55.9) $50 (56-69.9) $90 (70-84)
You will typically do 75+ hours per month. Therefore 75 hours would equate to A) 55.9 x $20 = $1118 + B) 13.9 x $35 = $486.50 + C) 5.1 x $60 = $306
A+B+C = $1910.50
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Hey scottb12,
I dont have first hand info but the 30 week programme is simply a modification of the 60 week programme for pilot who already have commercial licenses. It should involve basically a few hours of flight instruction and a check ride after that to see how well you learn new stuff or a new AC, then followed by the basic conversion process, ground school, MCC training etc ..
I'm on the second round of applying, where is your interview going to be?
Cheers
I dont have first hand info but the 30 week programme is simply a modification of the 60 week programme for pilot who already have commercial licenses. It should involve basically a few hours of flight instruction and a check ride after that to see how well you learn new stuff or a new AC, then followed by the basic conversion process, ground school, MCC training etc ..
I'm on the second round of applying, where is your interview going to be?
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EM77777somethingI'llneverfly,
It would seem that (perhaps due to your failure on the iCadet course) you have an axe to grind with the scheme. That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion.
First off, let me explain that I am not on the new scheme. I am happily (luckily) on an earlier rate. I'm merely bringing some perspective.
That said, seeing as you're quoting figures left and right (which you clearly have no foundation for); you show me which airline offers a higher NET salary to the newcomers than this. BA, TCX, Tiger, Singapore, EY, FR, EZ, even VS, and other carriers that require serious experience.
Sorry, son. I hate to side with the scheme, but you're nothing other than a bitter failure. The fact remains, that despite the reduction in terms, it is still financially a country mile ahead of what else is out there. And before you start harping on about HK, I've lived in London and New York. Both of which are at least as costly as HK. Anyone with less than 7 kids can easily get by.
Back in your box, you're looking more and more idiotic by the day.
It would seem that (perhaps due to your failure on the iCadet course) you have an axe to grind with the scheme. That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion.
First off, let me explain that I am not on the new scheme. I am happily (luckily) on an earlier rate. I'm merely bringing some perspective.
That said, seeing as you're quoting figures left and right (which you clearly have no foundation for); you show me which airline offers a higher NET salary to the newcomers than this. BA, TCX, Tiger, Singapore, EY, FR, EZ, even VS, and other carriers that require serious experience.
Sorry, son. I hate to side with the scheme, but you're nothing other than a bitter failure. The fact remains, that despite the reduction in terms, it is still financially a country mile ahead of what else is out there. And before you start harping on about HK, I've lived in London and New York. Both of which are at least as costly as HK. Anyone with less than 7 kids can easily get by.
Back in your box, you're looking more and more idiotic by the day.
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I totally agree. My point isn't that I condone what's happening to conditions (in the industry as a whole, also). My point is that I understand why folks are applying for it.
In my opinion, they don't deserve to be shot down. Yes, advice - here and there - allowing them to become more informed, is a good thing. Certainly, the farcical remarks here about living in poverty are utter hogwash, and are embarrassing to hear from supposedly educated people. What's not a good thing, is shooting applicants down because you don't like what's happening to the company.
Let them be the judge of that. Give them decent information (good luck with that), and let them make their minds up. Respect their decision, because unless one is particularly blindsighted, it's an understandable one, and from their shoes, a good one.
The fact that the industry is changing for the worse at each and every airline is not the responsibility of the applicants.
I'm all for agreement on the industry, I just can't abide by people shooting applicants down, and providing utterly rubbish information in order to prove their points.
In my opinion, they don't deserve to be shot down. Yes, advice - here and there - allowing them to become more informed, is a good thing. Certainly, the farcical remarks here about living in poverty are utter hogwash, and are embarrassing to hear from supposedly educated people. What's not a good thing, is shooting applicants down because you don't like what's happening to the company.
Let them be the judge of that. Give them decent information (good luck with that), and let them make their minds up. Respect their decision, because unless one is particularly blindsighted, it's an understandable one, and from their shoes, a good one.
The fact that the industry is changing for the worse at each and every airline is not the responsibility of the applicants.
I'm all for agreement on the industry, I just can't abide by people shooting applicants down, and providing utterly rubbish information in order to prove their points.
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I won't argue on this forum anymore. But thanks for your opinion. I don't have an axe to grind, particularly for the scheme, but for naive wannabes who haven't taken the time to do a little research to say the least, period. If one has taken the time to look at the info, and they really know what they are getting into, they can do what they want. I even have a few friends who are SOs now on the new scheme, and they knew what they were getting into, it works for them and they are enjoying themselves. And I agree that if you manage your money right, you can get by in HK on this package, just not as good as the other guy on expat terms doing the same job as you. (i dont know if one can easily get by with 4 kids though)
I'm not an icadet failure honest, it simply isn't my cup of tea. However, tell me this... would you be happy if you got offered the new contract? its easy to look down from up there where you are with expat terms, but if you really got offered this contract I doubt you would have the same attitude. The figures i'm pulling left and right are from previous posts by current CX pilots, not my own so if you have a problem with them, contact the posters. I even had the decency to quote them. Yes perhaps I don't know as much as you do, but at least i'm passing on what I know, and if its incorrect, I always say "correct me if i'm wrong".
Ok ill go get them right away sir!!!!. if you look over there the net salary for tiger and EY is .... 
I won't argue on this forum anymore. But thanks for your opinion. I don't have an axe to grind, particularly for the scheme, but for naive wannabes who haven't taken the time to do a little research to say the least, period. If one has taken the time to look at the info, and they really know what they are getting into, they can do what they want. I even have a few friends who are SOs now on the new scheme, and they knew what they were getting into, it works for them and they are enjoying themselves. And I agree that if you manage your money right, you can get by in HK on this package, just not as good as the other guy on expat terms doing the same job as you. (i dont know if one can easily get by with 4 kids though)
I'm not an icadet failure honest, it simply isn't my cup of tea. However, tell me this... would you be happy if you got offered the new contract? its easy to look down from up there where you are with expat terms, but if you really got offered this contract I doubt you would have the same attitude. The figures i'm pulling left and right are from previous posts by current CX pilots, not my own so if you have a problem with them, contact the posters. I even had the decency to quote them. Yes perhaps I don't know as much as you do, but at least i'm passing on what I know, and if its incorrect, I always say "correct me if i'm wrong".
you show me which airline offers a higher NET salary to the newcomers than this. BA, TCX, Tiger, Singapore, EY, FR, EZ, even VS, and other carriers that require serious experience.
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Hey depart5 cheers for the reply! Yeh it sounds like it will be a bit repetitive for myself as I have already done my IR/MCC etc unless they want everybody to go through MCC training again anyway for everybody to follow the same SOPs etc but an MCC doesn't take 30 weeks neither does a type rating! Unless this is just a general time scale and they tailor it to everybody's training requirements. But then I do not understand why they advertise the short course with ATPL exam passes but you must have 1500 hours. Also the 30 week program doesn't say anything about requiring ATPL exams so I was wondering if the 30 weeks included learning for these also? I haven't been able to find any more info on this.
I have my interview in London. So I understand you have been through the interview before? or did you not get invited the first time? How much experience do you currently have?
I have my interview in London. So I understand you have been through the interview before? or did you not get invited the first time? How much experience do you currently have?
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Try dropping them an email maybe not to ask them if you have been successful but to update your application if you have anything that may be of interest to them, I applied at beggining of year but I emailed them around a month ago to update my application as I now have more hours since I applied and they got back to me.
Try dropping them an email maybe not to ask them if you have been successful but to update your application if you have anything that may be of interest to them, I applied at beggining of year but I emailed them around a month ago to update my application as I now have more hours since I applied and they got back to me.
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HK living costs
Hi,
Could anyone give me some idea of the living costs out in HK? I may be interested in the Transition Training for Second Officers, and i was wondeering what sort of standard of living I might expect off a Gross salary of 45,000HK per month? I've heard that accomodation is very expensive and that saving money is difficult...
Is anyone who is living there able to give me some idea?
Thanks!
Could anyone give me some idea of the living costs out in HK? I may be interested in the Transition Training for Second Officers, and i was wondeering what sort of standard of living I might expect off a Gross salary of 45,000HK per month? I've heard that accomodation is very expensive and that saving money is difficult...
Is anyone who is living there able to give me some idea?
Thanks!
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Steer clear of complete naysayers at any event. There are plenty here who live just fine on the package. I'm with ETOPS 100% on this one - when compared to what else is out there, it's a pretty easy choice to make.
Many have quoted living costs here before, but I'll give it another whirl:
That should leave you with some savings and room for manouevre.
I'm curious about the forgiveable loan though - what have they told you about that?
Steer clear of complete naysayers at any event. There are plenty here who live just fine on the package. I'm with ETOPS 100% on this one - when compared to what else is out there, it's a pretty easy choice to make.
Many have quoted living costs here before, but I'll give it another whirl:
- Housing - $15-$18k a month, depending on size/location. It'll be small-ish (700 sqft or so) for this price if you want to live in town, or slightly bigger (900 sqft) if you are OK with living a bit further away
- Food - $3-5k a month depending on if you're single or not
- Utilities - $2-3k a month
- Phone/Internet - $1k a month (max)
- Entertainment - tough one, but count on around $5-6k a month for a few decent nights out
- Education - this is obviously not applicable if you don't have kids, but need to factor it in if you do (although CX pays a decent portion)
That should leave you with some savings and room for manouevre.
I'm curious about the forgiveable loan though - what have they told you about that?
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Just for fun.... LIGHTEN UP!
Hi, I've got some questions that anyone who can only tell me nice things can answer please. If there is any real truth, first hand experience or many tears of experience then don't answer! I think I already have my mind made up anyway, but here goes:
I just watched Top Gun and then Air Crash Investigations. As a result I now want to be a pilot and have the right stuff.
Does Cathy employ pilots?
Also, who is Cathy?
If Cathy is as nice as she seems, will she pay me? (It really doesn't matter anyway....)
What should I wear when I arrive for my first flight? I think the interview is just a formality. I have a really funny t-shirt with a dog getting it's nuts caught on a barbed wire fence!! They will love it!
Is it REALLY and TRULY and REALLY true the sandwiches are FREE?
Will I get to be a Captain in 2 years, or 3?
I think Cathy will be good to me. Is it true I can be based anywhere I want? After all, I REALLY REALLY REALLY want to!!! I think HK is a 2 hour drive north from my home in Majorca so it's pretty close anyway.
What is "seniority"?
I've done LOTS of research! But what are those other 140 pages all about on this thread?
I've never earned an income before so this is A LOT of money for the game arcade! I haven't considered any long term plans but everything is FREE!!
In 5 years is it true that I'll own my own 2500 sq ft apartment? I'll get a non factored $10k a month initially (they are SO NICE!) and only I've heard as much as a 3rd SO gets now when I become Captain (2 years?) so after all my research, where is the best place to park my cars and buy the apartment?
What's an "SO"? What does it stand for?
What is a forgivable loan? Does it mean if I say "Sorry, I really want to be a fireman now" they will forgive me?
Where is Adelaide? I think I have to go there for something. Is that true? WHY?
What is a P2X? Don't they know I ALREADY have a PSP!!!???
With all the research I've done, after 3 years I'll be a Captain on a Boeing 380 and about 15,000 hrs in my log book (what is that for anyway?). Can I use that to go back to Europe / America / Australia / NZ / Asia?? After all, I don't want to do "too much" study before telling them how passionate I am about my future!
I can't wait to meet the DFO, GMO and CEO and thank them!! What an opportunity! Apparently they really want to thank me instead??!! Something to do with the new 5 bedroom bungalow in Seminyak??
Does Cathy still sleep with the DFO, GMO and CEO because I don't want to be seen as being screwed or used!!
Thanks for any advice, cause I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY have to done so much study and mum and dad are so proud of me already!
I just watched Top Gun and then Air Crash Investigations. As a result I now want to be a pilot and have the right stuff.
Does Cathy employ pilots?
Also, who is Cathy?
If Cathy is as nice as she seems, will she pay me? (It really doesn't matter anyway....)
What should I wear when I arrive for my first flight? I think the interview is just a formality. I have a really funny t-shirt with a dog getting it's nuts caught on a barbed wire fence!! They will love it!
Is it REALLY and TRULY and REALLY true the sandwiches are FREE?
Will I get to be a Captain in 2 years, or 3?
I think Cathy will be good to me. Is it true I can be based anywhere I want? After all, I REALLY REALLY REALLY want to!!! I think HK is a 2 hour drive north from my home in Majorca so it's pretty close anyway.
What is "seniority"?
I've done LOTS of research! But what are those other 140 pages all about on this thread?
I've never earned an income before so this is A LOT of money for the game arcade! I haven't considered any long term plans but everything is FREE!!
In 5 years is it true that I'll own my own 2500 sq ft apartment? I'll get a non factored $10k a month initially (they are SO NICE!) and only I've heard as much as a 3rd SO gets now when I become Captain (2 years?) so after all my research, where is the best place to park my cars and buy the apartment?
What's an "SO"? What does it stand for?
What is a forgivable loan? Does it mean if I say "Sorry, I really want to be a fireman now" they will forgive me?
Where is Adelaide? I think I have to go there for something. Is that true? WHY?
What is a P2X? Don't they know I ALREADY have a PSP!!!???
With all the research I've done, after 3 years I'll be a Captain on a Boeing 380 and about 15,000 hrs in my log book (what is that for anyway?). Can I use that to go back to Europe / America / Australia / NZ / Asia?? After all, I don't want to do "too much" study before telling them how passionate I am about my future!
I can't wait to meet the DFO, GMO and CEO and thank them!! What an opportunity! Apparently they really want to thank me instead??!! Something to do with the new 5 bedroom bungalow in Seminyak??
Does Cathy still sleep with the DFO, GMO and CEO because I don't want to be seen as being screwed or used!!
Thanks for any advice, cause I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY have to done so much study and mum and dad are so proud of me already!
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The Grob
hi guys greetings of peace!
anyone knows where can we find a good read in the net about the grob..
its vx vy vr... limitations .. weight and balance envelope.. or simply its POH
anyone knows where can we find a good read in the net about the grob..
its vx vy vr... limitations .. weight and balance envelope.. or simply its POH