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It is very sad to most HK Wannabes.
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I dont think CX will make space for you OGI.. but im guessing you have to show them youre capable and most importantly that you can stand out from the rest (which will be alot harder with tens of thousands more applicants from around the world) e.g. Etihad CPP.
Definitely interesting times..and I think a very clever strategy. As a result, I can see that the DESO could be a thing of the past for this airline.
Definitely interesting times..and I think a very clever strategy. As a result, I can see that the DESO could be a thing of the past for this airline.
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Fly and High i don't understand that too...There are so many out there with hundreds of hours on single engine and multi.CPL/Ir etc etc.
What are the req of converting any ICAO license to Hong Kong License?
What are the req of converting any ICAO license to Hong Kong License?
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quote: if you make the grade and have the potential they are looking for, you will make it in, regardless of who else applies and where they come from.
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Yes, I agree with you. If you have the potential, you will make it.
Why don't Qantas do the same programme? I have seen many airline only taken their locals to the cadet program like QF, MH. For others airline, like SQ, the requirement are different from local cadet and overseas cadet.
For what I mention, It is very sad to Hong Kong Wannabe because Cathay is a brand of Hong Kong's Airline, they have promoted for many years how they support the locals, but now, majority of pilot are expats and they are starting to promote this international cadetship. What's the fake image of Hong Kong's Airline? They are taking advantages from HK, but they do not do their duty. The HK government is not supporting HK labours as well. It is very hard to get a job in this environment, especially in aviation. We are 2nd priority in overseas, but We are not the 1st priorty in HK as well. It's very upset to HK wannabes.
holdmetight:
Yes, I agree with you. If you have the potential, you will make it.
Why don't Qantas do the same programme? I have seen many airline only taken their locals to the cadet program like QF, MH. For others airline, like SQ, the requirement are different from local cadet and overseas cadet.
For what I mention, It is very sad to Hong Kong Wannabe because Cathay is a brand of Hong Kong's Airline, they have promoted for many years how they support the locals, but now, majority of pilot are expats and they are starting to promote this international cadetship. What's the fake image of Hong Kong's Airline? They are taking advantages from HK, but they do not do their duty. The HK government is not supporting HK labours as well. It is very hard to get a job in this environment, especially in aviation. We are 2nd priority in overseas, but We are not the 1st priorty in HK as well. It's very upset to HK wannabes.
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Com'on face it
Im sure we all see why CX made this move. Because now that it is open to everyone....CX has the excuse to put everyone of them on cheap labor (since all on local terms, no housing n all the other expat benefits, imagine how much the company could save over ur entire career in CX compare to the pity little training fee they helped u pay during ur training in Adelaide)...you think that's a good thing for the expats who has spent years of accumulating hours to try to get a job in CX? U think this is a good thing for all the HK people out there who has a dream for flying? i dont think so...
Please dont make it sound like this is a good thing...because it isn't
Please dont make it sound like this is a good thing...because it isn't
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Cathay saves alot of money by extending the number of cadets is their own business,every airline wants to save as much as the can.
As it's been said, if you're qualified,and have the potential to be their pilot, you will get in straight forward,no matter where you are from.So it does not really affect any one from HK,as you are only competing to yourself,against the airline's standard.
As it's been said, if you're qualified,and have the potential to be their pilot, you will get in straight forward,no matter where you are from.So it does not really affect any one from HK,as you are only competing to yourself,against the airline's standard.
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cathay is hong kong's flagship airline but that doesn't mean they are a charity organization.
for those of you who have no idea how an airline runs, take a long, hard look at what is happening now. in airlines all around the world, everything is about COST CUTTING. its a basic yet vital principle that decides which airline can live through the night and which shrivel up and die. all airlines do it, from LCCs to premium carriers, though their measures vary for obvious reasons. cathay is no exception. it does not matter how much marketing you do or what kind of image your carrier has amongst the locals. if you do not put cost-cutting as an important priority, you will lose money. that is a fact.
as some have pointed out earlier, cathay can save bucketloads of cash by employing more pilots on local contracts. since cathay cannot seem to find enough people in HKG who are interested (and able) to become cadets they are starting to look all over the globe.
as for cadet applications, i don't feel anyone has a priority over anyone else. as i pointed out earlier, it doesn't matter who your fellow candidates are, where they come from or how many of them there are. if you're good enough, you'll make it.
IMHO the point of the new cadet program is to train new pilots from scratch, or from very low hours onwards. the program wouldn't be aimed at recruiting experienced expatriate pilots with thousands of hours, simply because the terms and conditions on offer wouldn't be attractive. i guess cathay want to find people with limited levels of flying experience, so:
1. they wouldn't mind a lower pay check in exchange for the chance to fly a jet
2. ab-initio or low hour pilots would have a better reception of cathay SOPs and company culture acceptance
as for Qantas... australia is brimming with low-hour pilots, most of which are devoid of job-hunting opportunities due to the economic recession. even when the economy wasn't that bad, we still had a sufficient amount of pilots to fly the punters around. why would QF or any australian airline need to recruit people from overseas when there are so many local people who would love to (and are able to) have a shot at flying their jets?
for those of you who have no idea how an airline runs, take a long, hard look at what is happening now. in airlines all around the world, everything is about COST CUTTING. its a basic yet vital principle that decides which airline can live through the night and which shrivel up and die. all airlines do it, from LCCs to premium carriers, though their measures vary for obvious reasons. cathay is no exception. it does not matter how much marketing you do or what kind of image your carrier has amongst the locals. if you do not put cost-cutting as an important priority, you will lose money. that is a fact.
as some have pointed out earlier, cathay can save bucketloads of cash by employing more pilots on local contracts. since cathay cannot seem to find enough people in HKG who are interested (and able) to become cadets they are starting to look all over the globe.
as for cadet applications, i don't feel anyone has a priority over anyone else. as i pointed out earlier, it doesn't matter who your fellow candidates are, where they come from or how many of them there are. if you're good enough, you'll make it.
IMHO the point of the new cadet program is to train new pilots from scratch, or from very low hours onwards. the program wouldn't be aimed at recruiting experienced expatriate pilots with thousands of hours, simply because the terms and conditions on offer wouldn't be attractive. i guess cathay want to find people with limited levels of flying experience, so:
1. they wouldn't mind a lower pay check in exchange for the chance to fly a jet
2. ab-initio or low hour pilots would have a better reception of cathay SOPs and company culture acceptance
as for Qantas... australia is brimming with low-hour pilots, most of which are devoid of job-hunting opportunities due to the economic recession. even when the economy wasn't that bad, we still had a sufficient amount of pilots to fly the punters around. why would QF or any australian airline need to recruit people from overseas when there are so many local people who would love to (and are able to) have a shot at flying their jets?
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What?
Still dont see the point? Cathay didn't make this move because they wanna welcome people to join their big family...they make this move because they welcome people to come and save money for the company.
Cathay is suppose to be a symbol of Hong Kong and should be supporting local employment...but they've just taken away the only thing HK wannabe pilots dream about by bringing in outsiders. Do u know why Taiwanese and Singaporian locals dont feel too worried about not getting a job back at their home country? Its because their very own country airline support local pilot cadetship. Im not saying Cathay should convert into a 100% local pilot airline...but at least...give those locals better chance by closing the competition to only the HKers.
People say it is not a competition...in fact what job out there doesn't have competition? What interview doesn't have competition? What u trying to tell me is to believe Cathay recruitment process is not consider competition BECAUSE IT IS CATHAY? Think about it this way...you go and apply for a job in XX company...and at the same time other people applied...at the end u didn't get the job...do u think u didn't get the job because u didn't meet XX company standard? Or u think the company took a person better than u?
If u think it is because u didn't meet company standard...then maybe Cathay should just publish a personal standard checklist (they should if it is all about standards) and u just tick the box and make sure u meet the standards so Cathay could take u in without a question. And if they dont...then maybe it is really competition...
Ask those people who have received a rejection letter...im sure most of them would say they didn't get in because there are better candidates out there...
Cathay is suppose to be a symbol of Hong Kong and should be supporting local employment...but they've just taken away the only thing HK wannabe pilots dream about by bringing in outsiders. Do u know why Taiwanese and Singaporian locals dont feel too worried about not getting a job back at their home country? Its because their very own country airline support local pilot cadetship. Im not saying Cathay should convert into a 100% local pilot airline...but at least...give those locals better chance by closing the competition to only the HKers.
People say it is not a competition...in fact what job out there doesn't have competition? What interview doesn't have competition? What u trying to tell me is to believe Cathay recruitment process is not consider competition BECAUSE IT IS CATHAY? Think about it this way...you go and apply for a job in XX company...and at the same time other people applied...at the end u didn't get the job...do u think u didn't get the job because u didn't meet XX company standard? Or u think the company took a person better than u?
If u think it is because u didn't meet company standard...then maybe Cathay should just publish a personal standard checklist (they should if it is all about standards) and u just tick the box and make sure u meet the standards so Cathay could take u in without a question. And if they dont...then maybe it is really competition...
Ask those people who have received a rejection letter...im sure most of them would say they didn't get in because there are better candidates out there...
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Still dont see the point? Cathay didn't make this move because they wanna welcome people to join their big family...they make this move because they welcome people to come and save money for the company.
Cathay is suppose to be a symbol of Hong Kong and should be supporting local employment...but they've just taken away the only thing HK wannabe pilots dream about by bringing in outsiders. Do u know why Taiwanese and Singaporian locals dont feel too worried about not getting a job back at their home country? Its because their very own country airline support local pilot cadetship. Im not saying Cathay should convert into a 100% local pilot airline...but at least...give those locals better chance by closing the competition to only the HKers.
Cathay is suppose to be a symbol of Hong Kong and should be supporting local employment...but they've just taken away the only thing HK wannabe pilots dream about by bringing in outsiders. Do u know why Taiwanese and Singaporian locals dont feel too worried about not getting a job back at their home country? Its because their very own country airline support local pilot cadetship. Im not saying Cathay should convert into a 100% local pilot airline...but at least...give those locals better chance by closing the competition to only the HKers.
you mentioned how singapore and taiwan can afford to close people out from other nationalities. i don't think you can compare singapore/taiwan to the situation in hong kong. for a myriad of reasons, a lot less people in hong kong are interested in aviation than in singapore and taiwan. if cathay only recruits out of hong kong, how are they going to get a substantial amount of cadets in to start saving up the bucks? for this reason it is sensible for cathay to open up their money-saving cadetship to candidates around the world, because the more cadets they recruit, the more money they save in aircrew renumeration in the long run.
People say it is not a competition...in fact what job out there doesn't have competition? What interview doesn't have competition? What u trying to tell me is to believe Cathay recruitment process is not consider competition BECAUSE IT IS CATHAY? Think about it this way...you go and apply for a job in XX company...and at the same time other people applied...at the end u didn't get the job...do u think u didn't get the job because u didn't meet XX company standard? Or u think the company took a person better than u?
If u think it is because u didn't meet company standard...then maybe Cathay should just publish a personal standard checklist (they should if it is all about standards) and u just tick the box and make sure u meet the standards so Cathay could take u in without a question. And if they dont...then maybe it is really competition...
If u think it is because u didn't meet company standard...then maybe Cathay should just publish a personal standard checklist (they should if it is all about standards) and u just tick the box and make sure u meet the standards so Cathay could take u in without a question. And if they dont...then maybe it is really competition...
cadet pilots save money because they are given local contracts that exempt the company from paying large sums of money for housing/educational/medical allowances. therefore cadet pilots have a higher priority in recruitment over a DESO/DEFO. this is evident as you can see, the Direct Entry pilot recruitment has closed while cadets are still being recruited.
whether you believe it or not, cathay will actually want more cadet pilots. if you meet the criteria, you can get trained. as long as you are good enough to fly their planes, why would they kick you? this is a cost-cutting exercise that benefits the company in the long run. there will be new aircraft coming into the cathay fleet, all of which need pilots. aircrew ranks will still have its normal cycle of attrition, with old pilots retiring or resigning or whatever. new pilots will still be needed. if these new pilots were all put on local contracts (i.e. these pilots were ex-cadets), do you think the company would save a lot of money on the long run?
comprende?
you are right when you said that rejected applicants would think the company selected someone better than themselves. this was the case for me. but had my competitor and i made the grade together, we would have both become cathay pilots at the same date.
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When a cadet pilot graduates and joins Cathay ,is the Salary very different from a DESO?A cadet pilot after graduation is also serving as a So so why salary is diff.
I am not a hong kong resident then why will i not be given a housing allowance if i start serving Cathay after graduating as a cadet pilot?
I am not a hong kong resident then why will i not be given a housing allowance if i start serving Cathay after graduating as a cadet pilot?
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How does allowing foreign candidates save the company money? I thought if you hire locally then you save money on housing allowance. Has the policy changed that if the cadet is from overseas then there won't be any housing allowance at all? What would be the difference between an oversea cadet and a local one?
To be honest, jobs like this people would almost do it for free
Unless you get into SO or FO, and if the wage is still uncompetitive, then pilots would start thinking about leaving.
And is the contact/term really harsh? Sounds like most of you are n't happy about this change? (or if there's a change at all. All they did was remove the term "HK residents" on the homepage. It might still be a required field on the online application?)
To be honest, jobs like this people would almost do it for free
Unless you get into SO or FO, and if the wage is still uncompetitive, then pilots would start thinking about leaving.And is the contact/term really harsh? Sounds like most of you are n't happy about this change? (or if there's a change at all. All they did was remove the term "HK residents" on the homepage. It might still be a required field on the online application?)
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btw, my standpoint is that it's not a competition either. As a cathay passenger myself, I would want qualifying pilots in the cockpit rather than people who barely qualify because cathay cannot find better ones. 
If i go for the interview and fail, then I am happy knowing that I am not suitable for the job.
If i go for the interview and fail, then I am happy knowing that I am not suitable for the job.
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I believe Cathay Pacific doesn't symbolize Hong Kong Airline at all. It's found by an Australian and an American who started an airline based in Hong Kong.
Even now, most upper level managers are not even Chinese... So what makes it a Hong Kong Airline? I believe CX wanted to hire cadets from foreign country for the longest time.
"ps, lots of cadets are Eurasian, or ABC (American born chinese),or CBC (Canadian born chinese) anyways...'
Even now, most upper level managers are not even Chinese... So what makes it a Hong Kong Airline? I believe CX wanted to hire cadets from foreign country for the longest time.
"ps, lots of cadets are Eurasian, or ABC (American born chinese),or CBC (Canadian born chinese) anyways...'