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buy yourself a 737 job in HK!!

Old 8th Aug 2006, 15:06
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I came accidentally on this website because i wanted to know more about ASGs B737 program. If you search on google (asg b737 Hong Kong), you will find this website.
So that explains the first post. Im just so wondered about all the negative posts. I know there are several guys not very happy with ASG because they cot *****
Very funny I see always the same nicknames say bad things about ASG Have you had experience with ASG??
Really, everyone who wish to have more details please PM me!!!
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Old 8th Aug 2006, 15:45
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Now I feel a chill in the air.
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Old 9th Aug 2006, 02:43
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Friendship

You're right absolutely right we should give you some credit it takes a lot of guts to set up a new screenname. And I think we should know a bit more before judging you.

<This is where the fun starts>
All parts in Bold are quotes from Friendship's previous posts

1. If you do use google using: "asg b737 Hong Kong" You'll find these places.

Now if you had the time of your LIFE flying the Lear Jet why didn't you call mr Otto V. directly as this is the guy that made it happen to you. If you do a google this site comes up but than again why not call Otto V. directly?!?!?!?.

2. So that explains the first post. I’m just so wondered about all the negative posts. I know there are several guys not very happy with ASG because they cot “*****”

Now admitting people got fcuked by this person but still backing him up as being a good guy doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But I am glad you'll admit people got ****** and had to work over 18 hours a day to pay off bank loans because the acused mr V. did not pay back tbeir money despite him not offering those services as per contract. I recall something about bankruptcy or something likewise but not sure about this.

If this would be your first post how do you found out about PM's so quickly?? Isn't it easier for people to send an email so they know who they'll get the info from??

3. I have a great job in st. Maarten right now thanks to ASG!
Now what did Otto exactly do to get you your current job?? If this job is so great why would you be interesting in leaving your current job for a 737 job which pays less than other contract work???

4. Very funny I see always the same nicknames say bad things about ASG…… Have you had experience with ASG??
Really, everyone who wish to have more details please PM me!!!


Now this is interesting making statements without doing the least amount of research coming to conclusions like this baffles me least said. With regard to myself i can say I've never spoken in a negative way about somebody as far as 404Titan who I don't know but a quick look at his previous posts I can pretty much say the same. The fact you did not say this in your first post clearly shows to me you're trying to give us a bad name why would you want to that???

As for my conclusion about you: You're clearly mr V. himself or a person with a low IQ. First going through an organisation you know had a bad name and than willing to pay US$ 30K or whatever. After having the time of your life moving to ST Maarten /ST Martin you're now willing to pay more money to get a job..This is why the jobmarket in Europe got sick people like you. In short my advice to other people reading this post.Please disregard everything what friendship posted with exception of the part people got fcucked...(Ps FCUK is poplure brand of clothing)

Looking forward to your reply Friendship.

Edited for typos and added quote #3.

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Old 9th Aug 2006, 06:34
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Coastrider is sharp ! Definitely a con job, better stay away. I have been told there is no middle man for a 737 job in HK.
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Old 9th Aug 2006, 08:00
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Yep sure looks dodgy. I had sent my details away to this chap, I still wanted to do the interview as he reckons you get 1-2 hours in the sim at the interview. This seems a lot longer than any other interview sim ride I have heard of, usually 30-45 min. But I have not had any word from him for weeks. Whole thing stinks bigtime. Once again I am glad I found this info when I did.
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Old 9th Aug 2006, 19:18
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OTTO the C_nT

Good to see this guy Otto did not rip off more victims.
Keep up the good work Coastrider!
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Old 10th Aug 2006, 13:46
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Just to keep this thread alive did anybody hear from Friendship lately I guess he is parked in the desert with the rest of the Fukkers??

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Old 12th Aug 2006, 18:33
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Approx 3.5 weeks since last contact with ASG no return to last contact, looks like the @rse has fallen out of the whole plan. Will post again if I have any news.
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Old 12th Aug 2006, 22:00
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Coastrider26 wish I had more hands to give you 4 thumbs up

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Old 14th Aug 2006, 12:17
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Hi Guys and gals,

I went thorugh the Learjet program of ASG. I had a very good experience did 700 hours on it. Believe me I am not one of the relative, friend etc. of Otto, but just one of the student of ASG.
With me there was another couple of guys from Spain, Italy,Holland all went thorugh the same program with some very good flyong experience..really!!! Thanks to that I have a job now ,5 months after finishing the Learjet program of ASG.
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Old 14th Aug 2006, 13:02
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Would be nice if you would be able to give a bit more info KLM1234.
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Old 14th Aug 2006, 15:40
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What info would you like to have Coastrider ?
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Old 14th Aug 2006, 21:18
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same stilted english written as per friendships posts. Again only a few postings to your credit - nice try you ar^e.
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Old 14th Aug 2006, 22:24
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KLM1234 bring some facts please, your number of posts does not give you any credibility.
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Old 15th Aug 2006, 04:03
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KLM1234,

It would be nice to have some more info to see what ASG did to help you with training. Things like:

Do they have a contact at a bank in case you need a loan to get the money?

If ASG is a good school/agent the bank would be willing to do business with them for quite some time.

More information about the learjet program in general

In the past the people going through ASG ended up washing planes instead of flying them, the only opportunity they got at "driving" it was driving shotgun on a tow truck

What kind of operation did you end up with?

Because Learjet time IMHO is not highly valued by a lot of airlines as it's a single pilot plane. And even flying a C-172 might be a job to some people

Why was there never a revision to that article in Nieuwe Revu?*

Why isn't there an ASG or any of the other names in the Dutch commercial register?
I'm sure you'll have a contract stating it somewhere if so please post it.

If I read seaeagle's and fat Clemenza's posts earlier this thread first thing that comes to mind Rip off.
than again you might not be able to answer that question KLM1234

* Nieuwe Revu is a magazine in the Netherlands (home country of Otto V.)which had an article in it couple of years ago about ASG and how people got ripped off by this guy.

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Old 15th Aug 2006, 04:18
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of course that's presuming that klm1234 knows that a learjet doesn't have a high wing and propellor up front....
 
Old 15th Aug 2006, 10:20
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single pilot lear?

hey coastrider, have you ever seen a learjet? any lear (except some 23 and 24 series) is a multi crew FAR25 airplane that requires 2 pilots! the reason why some airlines don't like that kind of flying time is not because of the fact that it is a learjet. it is only because they like time in airplanes that are heavier than 20000 kg take off weight. so it wouldn't matter what type of light to medium jet you fly, you would always run into the same kind of problems with recognizing the flying time. but after all it's still turbine time ;-) the question with the bank loan. is easy to answer. because most of the companies just relay you to credit institutions that will give you a loan.
a little more info about asg. i actually did their lear program and i am not a friend of otto or so. i don't even know the guy. i talked to him once and that was it. just to stop all the people who are pi***d off at them from going crazy at me and start sending me all those great replies. i started the lear program 2003 and i was and i am still very satisfied with it. i also know a lot of other satisfied pilots that did their program too. so this program wasn't a scam back then when we did it. we all got our flying time and i never washed a lear either ;-) anyways. i also understand that a bunch of people didn't get their money back after enrolling in the end, because the certificate holder in the states that asg was working with (and were asg was sending all the foreign co pilots to) got their 135 charter certificate pulled by the faa. it was not because of the foreign co pilots. it had other operational reasons. after that they just got eaten by their ongoing operational cost after they couldn't fly any more. and that's the short version of the bankrupcy story ;-) as far as it goes to some of the other great stories that co's were washing lears and not flying : it was and still is their own fault. the reason is that they should have complained to the certificate holder and they would have gotten them another gig were they would have been busier. they had like 50 lears at one point and time with operator all over the states and there was always the opportunity to go somewhere. you just had to be flexible. i lived all over the states. a lot of those people just were too convenient and too lazy to relocate. especially they were acting as employees and not as customers, so it was just their own inexperience or lazyness (of at least one person that i know ;-)) anyways long story short ;-) as far as i understand is asg nowadays a big scam and i wouldn't trust them with even with parking my car ;-) so i wouldn't go with anything that they have to offer especially after i saw that they didn't pay some people their money back that they have paid for a program that they didn't receive. as far as paying for training or flying time. it helps sometimes to get an advantage over other pilots ;-) it helped me ;-) please also excuse if there are any gramatical irregularities, since english is not my native language ;-) contact me if you have any questions.
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Old 15th Aug 2006, 11:56
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THE FACTS ABOUT ASG AND OTTO V.

American Support Group is based in the U.S.A. and mr Otto V. is the C.E.O. of it. The address posted on the website is a "local" contact number this is why the company doesn't show up in the Dutch commercial register. Now why would you base your company in the US if you live in Europe or more specific the Netherlands...Well the reason is easy Mr & Mrs V. are both receiving wellfare in the Netherlands.. Apart from the moral question what kind of people would misuse the wellfare system I finally found out how they're able to buy Burberry handbags.

@Adrianphx,

I must admit I did not do my homework about the learjet and have to admit you could be right that the later versions are FAR/JAR 25 multi pilot aircraft.
But if that was an invitation to take a look next time I'm in (BAH) if that's we're you're based I'll be happy to take a look.

As far as Mr V. is concerned I'm happy you got true the program with the hours that he promised and you got a job. The thing that interests me personally why o why did you go through this agency/broker if you knew the history of it. Or if you didn't know if you did any research about it.

The question about the bank and ASG(-JET)...Now I was just wondering if ASG had a account manager with a bank that takes care of the bank loans for students. In the Netherlands it's quite common for a flight school/academy to have an account manager at a bank (I.e. ABN AMRO, ING etc etc) that is specialized in loans for (wanabee)pilots . This way you can tell if the students are able to pay off the loan after their study so you know this school must have a good track record.
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Old 15th Aug 2006, 12:28
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Hi everyone,

ASG Learjet program does not exist anymore, the company closed down.
I am just givin details about my own experience, that was good. I did my initial training in Oklahoma, then went to Florida to fly a Learjet 25D FAR 25 which is not A SINGLE PILOT aircraft. It was an air ambulance operation. I Had a very good experience flying it...a lot hand flying, captain's were very nice and keen to teach you. As a co-pilot you were responsible to make sure everything is ready for the flight.

After a year I stopped because it was time for me to move own. I dont know about other people who had bad experience with ASG, but everyone in my group did make a lot of hours including myself +700. I don't think they have any agreement with any bank. that is your own responsibility.

I hope this answers all your questions and once again I am not one of Otto's relative under different nickname. This is just my experience, that is it!!
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Old 15th Aug 2006, 12:57
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hey coastrider, sure you can come by and check it out next time you are in kwi ;-) i did all my research back then and went with asg because they were offering the best package for me. i was very lucky because i upgraded after 1 year to captain and continued flying with the certificate holder until sept 2005. the research that i did was very detailed and there was no sign of scam back then. i talked to co pilots in the program, to operators, researched the internet and went to the main office of the certificate holder. everything looked very good so i decided to go for it. it was back then. different story nowadays ;-) i think that asg is scamming now and wouldn't trust them with anything.
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