Hong Kong Express...anyone?
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Grow up , Boy
Sparkles,
I don't know what your experience level is but I suspect that it is reasonabley limited, therefore I would say that you are standing amongst some very tall trees. Where were you 19 years ago when I started in this business? Have I met you in the 7 countries in which I have worked? Were you ever my copilot during the 8,000+ hours that I have spent in the seat?
Were you ever with me during the countless times that I was a 'risk taker'
I think not.
I will not enter into a personal attack on you but will offer some advice....
Grow up, listen more and talk less, and please start using the manners that I am sure that you learned as a child. Dont be the grubby little man that others perceive you as.
There endeth the lecture....
I don't know what your experience level is but I suspect that it is reasonabley limited, therefore I would say that you are standing amongst some very tall trees. Where were you 19 years ago when I started in this business? Have I met you in the 7 countries in which I have worked? Were you ever my copilot during the 8,000+ hours that I have spent in the seat?
Were you ever with me during the countless times that I was a 'risk taker'
I think not.
I will not enter into a personal attack on you but will offer some advice....
Grow up, listen more and talk less, and please start using the manners that I am sure that you learned as a child. Dont be the grubby little man that others perceive you as.
There endeth the lecture....
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Badapple, don't put ur resume on PPRUNE, you still won't get a job with us. With all ur mighty 7 continent expirence how come your posting on the Hong Kong Express Forum, shouldn't you be with Cathy or some major carrrier, OH, I forgot your over qualified for them.
MYTHBUSTER - Fair enough, with your comment, i take responsibility. It just seems like instead of standing together as a group, we need to fight our battles seperately, We have issues that need to be resolved, Having OMNIPOTENT and BADDAPPLE attack us from day one, not acceptable.
PS: BADAPPLE, you need to retire, no more continents left for you -
MYTHBUSTER - Fair enough, with your comment, i take responsibility. It just seems like instead of standing together as a group, we need to fight our battles seperately, We have issues that need to be resolved, Having OMNIPOTENT and BADDAPPLE attack us from day one, not acceptable.
PS: BADAPPLE, you need to retire, no more continents left for you -
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Sparky, Sparky, Sparky 
You really don't get it, do you. Were you to have more experience in industry (and I honestly think you're still VERY wet behind the ears), you'd be capable of reading past what you see as the obvious blasts in my posts and those of others. You are being given, in a roundabout way, consistent insight into the general workings of your top man at HKE. Take off the rose colored glasses for just one second and think about what's been posted. Do you honestly believe we all sit around thinking about which operator we should pick on next???
By your own admission, your outfit has issues that need to be resolved. You would do well to consider, in objective a manner as you can muster, what is driving these issues to surface in the first place. I'm fairly sure YOU weren't the cause of these "issues", so you really ought to think about how they came to be in the first place. Conducting that exercise, without personal bias, may well lead to you look much more closely at your senior management (one chap in particular) and realize who the source of your troubles really is.
You really don't get it, do you. Were you to have more experience in industry (and I honestly think you're still VERY wet behind the ears), you'd be capable of reading past what you see as the obvious blasts in my posts and those of others. You are being given, in a roundabout way, consistent insight into the general workings of your top man at HKE. Take off the rose colored glasses for just one second and think about what's been posted. Do you honestly believe we all sit around thinking about which operator we should pick on next???
By your own admission, your outfit has issues that need to be resolved. You would do well to consider, in objective a manner as you can muster, what is driving these issues to surface in the first place. I'm fairly sure YOU weren't the cause of these "issues", so you really ought to think about how they came to be in the first place. Conducting that exercise, without personal bias, may well lead to you look much more closely at your senior management (one chap in particular) and realize who the source of your troubles really is.
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Unprofessional to say the least
I am relieved to see that the posts containing people's email address has been removed. That behaviour, in my opinion, would be grounds for dismissal.
I am astounded at the immature and unprofessional antics of some contributors. I only hope that they don't carry that attitude into the cockpit.
I am astounded at the immature and unprofessional antics of some contributors. I only hope that they don't carry that attitude into the cockpit.
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No need
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I sympathise with your feelings but no need for the foul language. You only degrade the quality of your arguements. Leave the profanity to those who 'sparkled' for the briefest of moments before descending into obscurity
I sympathise with your feelings but no need for the foul language. You only degrade the quality of your arguements. Leave the profanity to those who 'sparkled' for the briefest of moments before descending into obscurity
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I think HKE has great potential in this booming region. It would be nice (perhaps naive) to think that others recognize it as well. Even though there are some real challengers, cultural, political, environmental & technical to name a few. Why can’t we work together to realize this potential.
We choose to be a spectator and mock from the side line, or a participator (& team player) and a accept some responsibility in achieving a good outcome for all (company, clients & employees).
YOU CHOOSE
We choose to be a spectator and mock from the side line, or a participator (& team player) and a accept some responsibility in achieving a good outcome for all (company, clients & employees).
YOU CHOOSE
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talk is cheap
Sea Eagle,what about the real issues posted here earlier regarding contract and conditions of service changes , rostering inflexability etc. which the company has no intention of addressing. I would say you are being naive, unless of course you are on the outside monitoring all from the comfort of your retirement villa, then of course you are free to don the rose coloured glasses. 
I suspect you have been cruising the coast too long.
I suspect you have been cruising the coast too long.
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Talk is cheap??
Mythbuster,
Things in the company are not the best to say the least. But if somebody takes the effort to send an email to all the flightcrew to get things organized and you talk to the guy to hear only 6 people replied.
I can only think of two sentences applying to the situation we're in at the moment:
- Divide and conquer
- United we stand
And please don't get me started about
rostering.
Things in the company are not the best to say the least. But if somebody takes the effort to send an email to all the flightcrew to get things organized and you talk to the guy to hear only 6 people replied.
I can only think of two sentences applying to the situation we're in at the moment:
- Divide and conquer
- United we stand
And please don't get me started about
rostering.
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You, guys sound like a bunch of girls, find me if you can, it sounds like you guys are more interested in finding the voice of truth than accepting it. That i must say is a commendable feat.
Who is the girly girl here now??? Atleast some of us have the b@lls to say who we are. Where as you are still looking for them..(ps if you need a microscope there are **** loads of toys r' us around.
Coastrider, we know how upset you seem to be with the Head Chief Pilot, United we stand but no time to fly, you need to keep your head buried in th books instead of being on PPRUNE.
Actually you're quite right there I should be studying on a beautiful day as today.
So that should give you some more stuff to think about all day and reply to pprune while the rest of us are out there enjoying the sunshine...
Those who dare win.
Who is the girly girl here now??? Atleast some of us have the b@lls to say who we are. Where as you are still looking for them..(ps if you need a microscope there are **** loads of toys r' us around.
Coastrider, we know how upset you seem to be with the Head Chief Pilot, United we stand but no time to fly, you need to keep your head buried in th books instead of being on PPRUNE.
Actually you're quite right there I should be studying on a beautiful day as today.
So that should give you some more stuff to think about all day and reply to pprune while the rest of us are out there enjoying the sunshine...
Those who dare win.
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It is a shame that the management pilots are unwilling to lead by example. But when you take the "Queens Shilling" , well you know the story , I'm all right Jack 
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Gee, there's a surprise
Management pilots not leading by example. Alas, a condition endemic to aviation organizations unlucky enough to have a certain bossman.
If anyone thought this chap was going to change his ways just because he's involved with a fixed-wing airline as opposed to a rotary-wing service, I'm afraid I've got bad news for you.
Take the rating and run boys, you don't want to be there when the music stops.
If anyone thought this chap was going to change his ways just because he's involved with a fixed-wing airline as opposed to a rotary-wing service, I'm afraid I've got bad news for you.
Take the rating and run boys, you don't want to be there when the music stops.
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Omnipotent,You might be right take the rating and run, sounds like you did that too, i guess thats why you hate the top dawg here. With that kind of attitude no wonder you seem soo disgruntal. You have a lot to learn.
Freddy Mercury, with a name like that do you even have a mother....ha ha.
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100 days
So, this thread started on 27 January. It's now 06 May. Lets just call it 100 days to keep it simple. By my estimation (info provided by this thread), in that time, 4 or 5 Captains have resigned from HKE. Anyone care to confirm/deny???
HKE have, I think, 3 aircraft. Now, I'm not a rostering guru, but having THAT many commanders jump ship in such a short time CANNOT be a good thing for a new enterprise. So what are we to make of this? I'll let others who claim to have all the answers provide that little insight.
TC Fritz,
You get two thumbs up for the word of the day................."eunuch". I just about pi$$ed myself laughing!!!!!
HKE have, I think, 3 aircraft. Now, I'm not a rostering guru, but having THAT many commanders jump ship in such a short time CANNOT be a good thing for a new enterprise. So what are we to make of this? I'll let others who claim to have all the answers provide that little insight.
TC Fritz,
You get two thumbs up for the word of the day................."eunuch". I just about pi$$ed myself laughing!!!!!
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The Townsville refueler has reliably told me today that some gents from Hainan Airlines were shown around the HKE office this morning, maybe another potential buyout on the cards????
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So let me get this straight.
HKE have decided not to start up another airline in Macau, But to consolidate with only 4 aircraft instead of expanding.
They keep flying to destinations that KA compete, when there original business plan was to goto secondary airports with no competition!
They cancel numerous flights lately due lack of crew and lack of pax loads.
4th Airplane due to arrive in a few weeks.
Hainan Airlines had an office tour over the long weekend.
WELL
I just got off the phone to the Townsville Refueller and his theory is that you don't have enough crew for 3 airplanes even though your 4th is arriving soon.
Management not wanting to pay any new hired pilots the same wage as offered last year. Which =NO CREW
He says there is not much money left in the Kitty and that they are probably trying to sell you as a going concern.
Couldn't be worth too much. Aircraft are leased. So whats an AOC worth?
HE SAYS
You could be Screwed!
Could be called Hainan CR Express Airways Soon.
HKE have decided not to start up another airline in Macau, But to consolidate with only 4 aircraft instead of expanding.
They keep flying to destinations that KA compete, when there original business plan was to goto secondary airports with no competition!
They cancel numerous flights lately due lack of crew and lack of pax loads.
4th Airplane due to arrive in a few weeks.
Hainan Airlines had an office tour over the long weekend.
WELL
I just got off the phone to the Townsville Refueller and his theory is that you don't have enough crew for 3 airplanes even though your 4th is arriving soon.
Management not wanting to pay any new hired pilots the same wage as offered last year. Which =NO CREW
He says there is not much money left in the Kitty and that they are probably trying to sell you as a going concern.
Couldn't be worth too much. Aircraft are leased. So whats an AOC worth?
HE SAYS
You could be Screwed!
Could be called Hainan CR Express Airways Soon.
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Never mind the bollocks........
Sadly , the spin of this thread is on target. It would appear wiser heads have come seen and departed and more will soon be doing same.
As for the Eunuch CP , I think that is one thing we can all agree on. Yes I'll give it the word of the day also
As for the Eunuch CP , I think that is one thing we can all agree on. Yes I'll give it the word of the day also