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11th Mar 2009, 10:31
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Posted By ant1

Tee Em, that's what I think, too regarding the...

Tee Em, that's what I think, too regarding the unstable approach issue.

I think we can easily agree that under the current state of the art in commercial aviation, HAL (AKA George) initiating a go...
10th Mar 2009, 17:29
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Posted By ant1

While the Boeing design may be not perfect and...

While the Boeing design may be not perfect and there is room for improvement, it has evolved quite significantly. I'm afraid (AFAYC) and glad (AFAIC) that the fallable human will remain in the...
10th Mar 2009, 16:22
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Posted By ant1

... or maybe not. Sometimes it takes an sad event...

... or maybe not. Sometimes it takes an sad event like this one for things to evolve in the right direction.
10th Mar 2009, 14:22
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Posted By ant1

My FCOM2 is dated May 2008 It doesn't say...

My FCOM2 is dated May 2008

It doesn't say Min Sped Reversion is not available on GS, contralyly to another older book I've been shown

Mine also specifically mentions "alpha floor"

On top of...
9th Mar 2009, 23:53
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Posted By ant1

The difference is that with speed off the A/T...

The difference is that with speed off the A/T might come forward due to Min Speed Reversion if they were not designed to retard. So the feature is not there "in case you forgot to retard", it is...
9th Mar 2009, 23:25
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Posted By ant1

I don't use the speed off method but if someone...

I don't use the speed off method but if someone does then he either:

- Disengages the A/T and retard manually or
- Lets the A/T retard by themselves (maybe with a little help if needed)

So if...
9th Mar 2009, 21:59
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Posted By ant1

MU300A (#2009) Let me write it once more,...

MU300A (#2009)

Let me write it once more, hopefully for the last time.

The RETARD function serves a purpose even when not on a Dual Channel approach:

The crew is on a Single Channel approach...
8th Mar 2009, 20:45
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Posted By ant1

Well that doesn't sound like let's look into all...

Well that doesn't sound like let's look into all the factors that led a crew of 3 who accumulated many thousand hours, including an F4 pilot (does the F4 have autothrottles?) to end up short of 18R?...
8th Mar 2009, 19:05
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Posted By ant1

Deltayankee, if you nudge the yoke enough it will...

Deltayankee, if you nudge the yoke enough it will indeed disconnect the A/P. Not the same story with A/T though disconecting these by moving them can theoretically be achieved, under certain...
8th Mar 2009, 17:49
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Posted By ant1

The intended result can be achieved by overriding...

The intended result can be achieved by overriding the thrust levers by pushing them forward and keeping them there or disengaging the A/T and moving the TL forward.
8th Mar 2009, 15:56
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Posted By ant1

aS BOAC told me, we're turning round in circles...

aS BOAC told me, we're turning round in circles and I think this is the closest to the heart of the matter that we're going to get , for the moment, till new relevant information is available.
8th Mar 2009, 15:22
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Posted By ant1

Can't find anything saying it does, so it...

Can't find anything saying it does, so it probably doesn't.
8th Mar 2009, 14:58
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Posted By ant1

Pilots who allegedly have practiced recovery slow...

Pilots who allegedly have practiced recovery slow and in landing config describe a different picture (wrestling the column forward with both hands).

Fred Bound

They were on a Single Channel...
8th Mar 2009, 14:05
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Posted By ant1

BOAC: I now see what you meant, don't get carried...

BOAC: I now see what you meant, don't get carried away, comment withdrawn.
8th Mar 2009, 13:26
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Posted By ant1

It seemed to me the sentence was pointed at the...

It seemed to me the sentence was pointed at the event at hand, my apologies if that wasn't the case.

I agreee that during RETARD alpha floor would not be available. My comment was in reply to a...
8th Mar 2009, 12:15
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Posted By ant1

The A/P in the 737 is more clever than that, in...

The A/P in the 737 is more clever than that, in some circumstances (not on APP) it will pitch down to regain speed



I still stick to my belief that the A/T has alpha prot in the case under...
7th Mar 2009, 16:19
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Posted By ant1

BOAC: ok the picture quality is not great but...

BOAC: ok the picture quality is not great but here (http://www.slideshare.net/guest21bfe3/at-system-1114752) it is. Let's see how long it lasts. You have a pvt also.
7th Mar 2009, 15:19
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Posted By ant1

Xeque #1809 Maybe not. Automation is...

Xeque #1809

Maybe not.

Automation is the nth crewmember. My point is that if there's a weakness in the system it will only take time for an accident to find its way through the holes. Humans...
7th Mar 2009, 14:08
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Posted By ant1

Xeque: Maybe because of this...

Xeque:

Maybe because of this (http://www.slideshare.net/guest21bfe3/crm-talk-talk-talk-superpilot-dreamteam-and-you) ?

bobacat4



Could end up in a runway overrun, for instance. Find it...
7th Mar 2009, 13:02
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Posted By ant1

BOAC: we definitively have different books. I'll...

BOAC: we definitively have different books. I'll send you a picture of mine where it says "alpha floor": Autothrottle Sysstem/Autothrottle Engangement very last line "aplpha floor automatically...
7th Mar 2009, 12:17
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Posted By ant1

bobcat4: I already gave you a reason on...

bobcat4:

I already gave you a reason on #1690: If you want alpha floor protection during a "speed deselect" single channel approach then it is wise that those throttles retard during the flare in...
6th Mar 2009, 23:46
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Posted By ant1

GXPER: Maybe so. I'll leave that to...

GXPER:



Maybe so. I'll leave that to the board's conclusions.


BOAC:

It took me some time to reproduce what my book says about Min Speed Reversion but it seems this must have been...
6th Mar 2009, 23:04
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Posted By ant1

I agree, simply add speed to the above list. You...

I agree, simply add speed to the above list. You can also add the baro alt comparator to the items the 737NG carries, probably for some good reason.

Now I think there seems to be a good reason to...
6th Mar 2009, 21:18
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Posted By ant1

Sorry BOAC, nothing in my manual, in those last...

Sorry BOAC, nothing in my manual, in those last pages about Min Speed Reversion, says alpha floor is not available while on GS. Very last line says "Min speed reversion i not available with A/T OFF"...
6th Mar 2009, 20:52
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Posted By ant1

To BOAC: Yes I did, did you see #1485. ...

To BOAC:

Yes I did, did you see #1485.

If you can point me in the right direction I'll be more tha happy and thankful ;)
6th Mar 2009, 20:37
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Posted By ant1

I see we are still well into the blame crew vs....

I see we are still well into the blame crew vs. blame aircraft debate. and those who take sides are missing a part of the story and not looking at the whole picture

On the crew blame side we find:
6th Mar 2009, 12:06
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Posted By ant1

For whatever reason one of the Swiss cheese...

For whatever reason one of the Swiss cheese slices (namely the crew) aligned its holes with the RA slice.

While we all agree that we have to strive to maintain the highest possible SA, we are...
5th Mar 2009, 23:05
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Posted By ant1

BOAC: #1344 read and hopefully understood ;) ...

BOAC: #1344 read and hopefully understood ;)

Where did you get the

All I can find is:

- engagement of GS capture automatically engages the A/T in the MCP SPD mode.

- alpha floor...
5th Mar 2009, 20:28
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Posted By ant1

Also the trim wheel noise (already mentioned) and...

Also the trim wheel noise (already mentioned) and the pitch limit bars are real attention grabbers.



To all those who mention hand flying skills, I don't think an F4 jock would lack those...
1st Mar 2009, 13:31
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Posted By ant1

UNCTUOUS (#823), you did not state what type you...

UNCTUOUS (#823), you did not state what type you fly. Regarding the 737NG:

1) ATS OFF/ON button pushed,
2) A/T DISC on left throttle pressed,
3) AP disengaged,
4) ALL INTERRUPT button on...
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