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10th Mar 2009, 17:06
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

Do you honestly think there is a problem with the...

Do you honestly think there is a problem with the B737 design?

AirDisaster.Com: Statistics (http://www.airdisaster.com/statistics/)

The Boeing 737 has one of the best safety records of any...
4th Mar 2009, 17:18
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

Believe me, as a pilot, NOTHING gets your...

Believe me, as a pilot, NOTHING gets your attention more than the sound of that stick shaker.

Not only do you hear it, you also feel it. It instantly tells you that you are in a Life or Death...
4th Mar 2009, 15:41
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

I didn't say you were inexperienced. I said even...

I didn't say you were inexperienced. I said even Experienced Pilots are being mislead by this initial report.

Please explain where you read that Turkish Airlines ALWAYS does CATII Autoland...
4th Mar 2009, 15:34
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

No one has said this was to be a full Autoland...

No one has said this was to be a full Autoland landing. All that was said was that the aircraft was on approach with the autopilot on. It was also said that this is normal for Turkish Airlines and it...
4th Mar 2009, 15:27
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

This is the dutch text Quote: In de...

This is the dutch text


Quote:
In de cockpit bevonden zich drie personen, de gezagvoerder, die linksvoor zat. Rechts bevond zich de eerste officier voor wie het een trainingsvlucht was.

I...
4th Mar 2009, 14:31
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

My understanding is that all three pilots were...

My understanding is that all three pilots were ex-military. The Captain had about 15,000 hours and the two F/O's had about 3,000 and 2,000 hours.

I don't think it has been established which F/O...
4th Mar 2009, 13:43
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

Nowhere is it said they were doing a CatIII...

Nowhere is it said they were doing a CatIII Autoland.


CatIII Autoland training is done in the simulator, not on the line.


I believe the "Trainee" occupying the right seat was fully...
3rd Mar 2009, 22:26
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

I think it is looking more and more like they...

I think it is looking more and more like they "stalled a perfectly serviceable A/C into the ground with both engines running"



No. The witnesses, and the aircraft's flightpath all point to a...
2nd Mar 2009, 21:11
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

I think the engines were simply carried forward...

I think the engines were simply carried forward by inertia after they broke free.

It is possible that a small amount of residual fuel kept the engine running for a second or two, or maybe just...
2nd Mar 2009, 19:45
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

If you are aware of the structure of a turbine...

If you are aware of the structure of a turbine engine, then why do you find the condition of the low pressure fan to be so interesting?

I agree that it is highly unlikely that there would be much...
2nd Mar 2009, 18:56
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

Are you aware that this engine has more than one...

Are you aware that this engine has more than one shaft?

It is quite conceivable that the main fan blades could be damaged to the point of non-rotation, yet the high pressure compressor and turbine...
2nd Mar 2009, 11:17
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

The "windsock" you see is the broken red wingtip....

The "windsock" you see is the broken red wingtip.

Again, I don't see a man-made hole in the roof. All I see is the hole made by the door frame being pushed up.
1st Mar 2009, 20:26
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

Thanks for your reply. Are you saying that...

Thanks for your reply.

Are you saying that you arrived about 10 mins after the crash and rescue teams were also arriving at the same time?
1st Mar 2009, 20:18
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

Look at the photo again. It appears that most of...

Look at the photo again. It appears that most of the dust/smoke near the aircraft is rising almost straight up. The dust/smoke near the right engine is being blown back by something. I don't think it...
1st Mar 2009, 19:58
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

"crashresident" , How long did you stay at...

"crashresident" ,

How long did you stay at the site? Can you confirm or disprove these statements:
1st Mar 2009, 15:29
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

VIDEO: Hart van Nederland - Allereerste beelden...

VIDEO: Hart van Nederland - Allereerste beelden na de crash (http://www.hartvannederland.nl/item/19557/Allereerste_beelden_na_de_crash)

It is possible that the audio was dubbed in after, and that...
27th Feb 2009, 15:42
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

Good point. I just assumed he was in the jumpseat...

Good point. I just assumed he was in the jumpseat observing.

Most airlines I have worked for do line training with only a Training Captain and the trainee.

At Vietnam Airlines I was twice...
27th Feb 2009, 15:07
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

No, that is a bad assumption. Training presents...

No, that is a bad assumption. Training presents all kinds of opportunities for mistakes to be made. That is one reason most training is done in a simulator.

I don't think that it has been...
27th Feb 2009, 14:55
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

On the 767, in FLCH, the A/T will always maintain...

On the 767, in FLCH, the A/T will always maintain the selected airspeed.

In V/S, A/T will also maintain a minimum speed as long as the rate of climb/descent is within performance limits. (speed...
27th Feb 2009, 02:07
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

Aircraft hit wake turbulence every day. They...

Aircraft hit wake turbulence every day. They don't fall out of the sky because of it. If you are following behind, wake turbulence causes an airliner to roll to the left or right. That didn't happen...
26th Feb 2009, 20:04
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

Fragments and wreckage are going to be scattered...

Fragments and wreckage are going to be scattered in every direction when an aircraft hits hard.

Dani, How far do you estimate the stopping distance to be?
26th Feb 2009, 19:55
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

I estimate the stopping distance to be where the...

I estimate the stopping distance to be where the tail first contacted the ground, to where the tail would have been had it still been properly attached to the aircraft.

About 60 meters...
...
26th Feb 2009, 19:39
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

The the length of a complete 737-800 is about 39...

The the length of a complete 737-800 is about 39 meters long. What do you estimate the stopping distance to be?

I say 60 meters....
...
26th Feb 2009, 19:14
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

Here is an example of engines running after a...

Here is an example of engines running after a crash......


http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files/PDF/Member%20Sections/Air_Canada_Regional_Jet_Accident.pdf




...
26th Feb 2009, 18:08
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

I am sorry, but I must point out again that both...

I am sorry, but I must point out again that both your post, and the article you link to, are in error. I just want to correct your misleading information so that no one gets led astray in regards to...
26th Feb 2009, 17:45
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

No, the tail breaking off would not cause the...

No, the tail breaking off would not cause the engines to stop.

There are even some examples where the engines continue to run after an accident has occurred.
26th Feb 2009, 17:33
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

I favour Rainboe's theory. I higly doubt this...

I favour Rainboe's theory. I higly doubt this aircraft landed in a controlled state at near normal speed.

I consider it to be an uncontrolled crash following a stall.

Early remarks from the...
26th Feb 2009, 16:36
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

As I recall, both engines were operating, but...

As I recall, both engines were operating, but they did not produce commanded thrust.

The article you linked to is very old and appears to be in error.
26th Feb 2009, 11:15
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

The ground was basically flat for a great...

The ground was basically flat for a great distance in every direction. There was no need to make any decision to clear the road/trees. That was a very minor obstacle to a 737-800.

What happened...
25th Feb 2009, 22:23
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

Any pilot except "757_Driver". He seems to...

Any pilot except "757_Driver". He seems to disagree with this assessment.
25th Feb 2009, 21:18
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

Any pilot, when faced with a loss of thrust, or...

Any pilot, when faced with a loss of thrust, or loss of airspeed, must lower the nose and maintain the airspeed.

These pilots did not maintain their airspeed. They LOST CONTROL of their aircraft....
25th Feb 2009, 21:02
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

It may give some comfort to think that it was a...

It may give some comfort to think that it was a "well done crash landing".

But the fact is they should have been able to keep the aircraft under control, and do an engine out controlled landing...
25th Feb 2009, 18:59
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

Even if this aircraft struck a multitude of...

Even if this aircraft struck a multitude of birds, and both engines were destroyed, the cause of the accident is failure to maintain proper flying speed.

I am sure it is quite obvious to most here...
25th Feb 2009, 17:29
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

He was kidding..... :)

He was kidding..... :)
25th Feb 2009, 15:06
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Posted By Lost in Saigon

I think it highly unlikely the aircraft just ran...

I think it highly unlikely the aircraft just ran out of fuel. The smell of kerosene just lends more credence to that theory.

If there was only unusable fuel left in the fuel system, it likely...
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