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17th Jan 2013, 20:51
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Posted By fireflybob

RAT5, yes I am with you all the way there but if...

RAT5, yes I am with you all the way there but if we accept there are many children of the magenta line flying around these days it might be one way, as well as raw data training and emphasis etc., of...
17th Jan 2013, 15:38
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Posted By fireflybob

Whilst I agree that pilots should be aware of raw...

Whilst I agree that pilots should be aware of raw data attitudes would it be beyond the bound of possibility to have the FMC (or other device) to compare actual a/c performance against the desired...
14th Jan 2013, 20:57
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Posted By fireflybob

I agree it is a factor, of course.

I agree it is a factor, of course.
14th Jan 2013, 20:38
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Posted By fireflybob

hetfield, am aware of the entirety of the quote...

hetfield, am aware of the entirety of the quote and the circumstances around this accident not to mention the various arguments on pprune.
14th Jan 2013, 20:28
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Posted By fireflybob

How wrong this statement is! More a question...

How wrong this statement is!

More a question of pilots not being trained and/or practised in the basics of flight control.
2nd Feb 2010, 14:41
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Posted By fireflybob

BarbiesBoyfriend, I agree. If you have very...

BarbiesBoyfriend, I agree.

If you have very experienced and skilful pilots you could publish an Operations Manual which, in effect, says "Stay safe - don't crash!". Of course before SFLY jumps in...
28th Jan 2010, 12:56
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Posted By fireflybob

I think it's almost a case of "programming" - we...

I think it's almost a case of "programming" - we are most use to what is "normal" and, even with the most prepared pilot, you have to add the "factor of disbelief". Part of the programming is not to...
28th Jan 2010, 12:23
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Posted By fireflybob

So S.F.L.Y., please tell us what you would have...

So S.F.L.Y., please tell us what you would have done so we can benefit from your superior knowledge!
28th Jan 2010, 08:46
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Posted By fireflybob

S.F.L.Y., so you think the crew on the Turkish...

S.F.L.Y., so you think the crew on the Turkish incident noticed the speed going below Vref? Then why didn't they apply additional thrust at a much earlier stage?
27th Jan 2010, 08:17
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Posted By fireflybob

Well if the conclusion of this report is that it...

Well if the conclusion of this report is that it was all Boeing's fault it's time for me to retire and never travel as a passenger in an a/c again!

Further evidence of the death of critical...
17th Apr 2009, 07:22
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Posted By fireflybob

I agree with RAT 5 - PNF should be fully ready to...

I agree with RAT 5 - PNF should be fully ready to take over control during critical stages of flight.
16th Apr 2009, 00:06
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Posted By fireflybob

This accident also reminds me of the Poor...

This accident also reminds me of the Poor Judgement/Error Chain theory which, if I recall correctly, states that once one poor judgement has been made then there is a higher probability that another...
12th Apr 2009, 11:19
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Posted By fireflybob

BarbiesBoyfriend, my sentiments also. My...

BarbiesBoyfriend, my sentiments also. My hallucination is that I see people that lack imagination about what can or might happen.

I have said it before but there is a difference between doing...
9th Apr 2009, 16:02
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Posted By fireflybob

BOAC, I quite agree! To me (and I am sure to you...

BOAC, I quite agree! To me (and I am sure to you and all others) a speed 10kts below Vref and reducing is not only "a bit unusual" but highly alarming to the the extent that I would be taking some...
8th Mar 2009, 12:00
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Posted By fireflybob

I believe it was NASA decades ago that discovered...

I believe it was NASA decades ago that discovered that human beings are poor monitors of automation. It's better to have the automation monitoring the humans.

Think of the nuclear incidents at...
6th Mar 2009, 19:57
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Posted By fireflybob

Ok all is forgiven!

Ok all is forgiven!
6th Mar 2009, 19:47
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Posted By fireflybob

BOAC, I bow to your superior knowledge but is...

BOAC, I bow to your superior knowledge but is this an "upset recovery"? Surely it's an "Approach to Stall Recovery" according to Boeing? I quote:-

"The following is immediately accomplished at the...
6th Mar 2009, 18:10
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Posted By fireflybob

testpanel, spot on! Difference between the...

testpanel, spot on!

Difference between the signs of an approaching stall versus symptoms of the full stall.

First sign of an approaching stall is decreasing airspeed, reduced control...
6th Mar 2009, 18:00
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Posted By fireflybob

Sorry guys maybe I missed something here but...

Sorry guys maybe I missed something here but looking at the plot above do we know why the a/c initially went high (at 5 - 6 miles) although on glideslope at just over 6 miles?
6th Mar 2009, 17:06
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Posted By fireflybob

Really? I thought the purpose of accident...

Really? I thought the purpose of accident investigation was to establish the facts and then the probable cause with suggested measures to prevent recurrences?

I may be wrong but certainly don't...
6th Mar 2009, 16:04
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Posted By fireflybob

With all respect to the software engineers, as I...

With all respect to the software engineers, as I have often said before, the only people who understand the pilots' task is (you've guessed it!) fellow pilots.

As pilots we look at this from a...
6th Mar 2009, 13:43
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Posted By fireflybob

ATCs prime role is to control rather than "fly...

ATCs prime role is to control rather than "fly the a/c". Even if Schipol had been equipped with Precision Approach Radar they probably wouldn't have noticed anything too untoward since, from the data...
4th Mar 2009, 20:35
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Posted By fireflybob

Depends which press they see/hear - I think this...

Depends which press they see/hear - I think this is quite a good report, not perfect I know but it does paint the right picture.

About 50 minutes in:-

PM...
4th Mar 2009, 19:19
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Posted By fireflybob

Not to mention the other crew members it would...

Not to mention the other crew members it would seem.
4th Mar 2009, 19:01
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Posted By fireflybob

captjns, I am not surprised that my posting has...

captjns, I am not surprised that my posting has elicited comments such as yours and to an extent I agree with you.

But I really do not think it is quite as simple as that. Notwithstanding that we...
4th Mar 2009, 16:25
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Posted By fireflybob

Human beings do the best that they can at the...

Human beings do the best that they can at the time with the resources available to them.

You have to look at the entire "system" which has resulted in this catastrophic failure. This would...
26th Feb 2009, 19:49
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Posted By fireflybob

Hot 'n' High, not at all - I feel we are singing...

Hot 'n' High, not at all - I feel we are singing from the same hymn sheet!
26th Feb 2009, 19:05
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Posted By fireflybob

I always understood that at the stalling angle of...

I always understood that at the stalling angle of attack the wing was generating MAXIMUM lift (or Coefficient of Lift more accurately, CL)! Beyond the stalling Angle of Attack CL starts decreasing....
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