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11th Aug 2016, 18:52
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Posted By Julio747

Old news

That report was issued long ago, 3rd august as I recall, and posted long ago...

And point 5 is missing, other factors related to the incident are still being investigated.

Please try to read...
10th Aug 2016, 17:34
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Posted By Julio747

I can't say for certain...

But for sure the cc could see it before wheels stop. Are you suggesting they may not have informed the flight deck?

The RFF was on the move before wheels stop. Did they omit to tell anyone do you...
9th Aug 2016, 20:45
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Posted By Julio747

This thread goes on and on

But, the right answer is staring you in the face if you have seen the vids, inside and outside.

Dont tell me the RFF said stay put, we will control it, when they were driving away from the burning...
8th Aug 2016, 04:37
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Posted By Julio747

Oldlurker...

I was responding to an earlier post, regarding video from inside the a/c, where you can see foam landing on the windows. Of course, foam was going everywhere at that point. Well everywhere on the RHS...
7th Aug 2016, 15:06
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Posted By Julio747

At 39 seconds after wheels stop, foam starts...

At 39 seconds after wheels stop, foam starts spraying, but not on the plane alas, and certainly not on the windows.
6th Aug 2016, 20:28
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Posted By Julio747

Excellent post....

The only thing I would add to that is that if the fc did not order the RFF before landing (understandably, at that point they did not think they had a fire problem), then who did? It has been said...
6th Aug 2016, 17:21
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Posted By Julio747

And how long after wheels stop was that??? ...

And how long after wheels stop was that???

My guess is around 3-4 minutes. You may notice the fire is well underway at the beginning of the video!

Yeah! Really sublime! The pax got to watch the...
6th Aug 2016, 17:04
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Posted By Julio747

Luckily...

Now, remind me, who is using 20/20 hindsight?

The "evacs" are saying it should have been an evac, despite the hindsight that everyone survived.

Whilst you are saying the call was good because...
3rd Aug 2016, 17:11
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Posted By Julio747

Agreed.

But having pulled the #2 engine to idle 2 hours earlier, because it obviously had problems, would you use it for powered reverse on landing? I am not saying they did. We don't know. I am saying that...
3rd Aug 2016, 14:46
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Posted By Julio747

Very good if everything is fine...

That is a normal landing. But #2 was set to idle already, 2 hours before landing. On the advice of engineers I understand. That is a very different scenario...
3rd Aug 2016, 14:28
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Posted By Julio747

Exactly why I asked the question...

I think it was after Manchester incident, when the thrust buckets sprayed fire over the fuselage and made a bad situation a lot worse.

In this case, they had no fire before landing (and perhaps,...
3rd Aug 2016, 02:02
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Posted By Julio747

Vapour pressure of avo vs oil

One has to remember that the engine lube system runs hot. This is the point of the heat exchanger in the first place - to cool the lube oil and pre-heat the fuel.

If the lube oil is contaminated...
27th Jul 2016, 20:48
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Posted By Julio747

I am fully conversant with runway design, my...

I am fully conversant with runway design, my friend. And I have viewed every comment, every video, and every photograph on this thread.

The "after the event" shots (and I can't be bothered to find...
25th Jul 2016, 21:17
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Posted By Julio747

Lots of comments, please let me reply

@ nose cabin
Good question! Why were the lights out but the IFE still working? Engines still on is my best guess. But why?

@ parabellum
Arrogance or decisiveness? A fine line. But i question...
24th Jul 2016, 19:31
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Posted By Julio747

Why this thread should stay open

The reason I believe this thread has, and should, stay open is this.

In the absence of a report that says the fc made an error of judgement, it is encumbent upon the "evac evac evac" (majority i...
24th Jul 2016, 19:16
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Posted By Julio747

Try watching the video!

The rff do not arrive and pump until over a minute after wheels stop (I acknowledge that is a fast time). A minute later, the fire is in no way under control (everyone would be out by that time if an...
24th Jul 2016, 18:47
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Posted By Julio747

Not quite that simple...

I believe the SOP says don't pump fuel if a leak is suspected. Something that Air Transat 236 failed to spot. Luckily they had some gliding skill at the pointy end.
22nd Jul 2016, 17:53
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Posted By Julio747

Cognitive dissonance

Try looking it up. It goes like this.

Pilots are human and make mistakes. I am a pilot. If I make a mistake people will die. Including me. That cant be right. >> Denial >> pilots are always right...
22nd Jul 2016, 17:36
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Posted By Julio747

Poppycock

Cancels out the posts? Nonsense! The plane and passengers were seconds from disaster, to coin a phrase.... No thanks to the indecisive crew.

So here's the thing. Some pilots like to conceptualise...
20th Jul 2016, 21:35
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Posted By Julio747

Why bring up Tenerife?

Not really relevant on this thread? Except perhaps the inaction of the first officer?

If the cap is dithering, and the wing is ablaze. Then make the call.
19th Jul 2016, 22:11
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Posted By Julio747

Exactly. This was a no-brainer, and I fail to...

Exactly. This was a no-brainer, and I fail to understand those sitting on the fence. ATC must have said your #2 is on fire. The fire crew was a minute plus out and going in the opposite direction....
13th Jul 2016, 16:06
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Posted By Julio747

ATC recording

The pilot talking to ATC (post #165) sounds Singaporean, ah?

Can't tell is that was cptn or fo....
12th Jul 2016, 17:44
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Posted By Julio747

I never mentioned "police state"

I never said it was a police state. And it was not my intent to "knock Singapore". It has made tremendous strides over 50 years.

But this is not really the right forum to discuss politics. My...
11th Jul 2016, 19:40
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Posted By Julio747

Well said! The point about Sully was also...

Well said! The point about Sully was also invalid.

As I recall, the investigation team ran multiple sim runs to see if any pilot could get the powerless a/c back on a runway (either LGA or TEB)....
11th Jul 2016, 16:59
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Posted By Julio747

Of course they cannot lock down the pax. Or even...

Of course they cannot lock down the pax. Or even the cabin crew.

I just hope the cc used a VPN... Otherwise they may regret posting. They work for SQ after all...
11th Jul 2016, 16:46
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Posted By Julio747

Thanks

Thanks for that. You didn't hear the word "api" then? Only no mention of "fire" in your post....

But the point I was making was more about the anxiety in his voice. As you point out, he is also...
11th Jul 2016, 16:24
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Posted By Julio747

Poor reporting

Have a look at the video again, and this time use a stopwatch. At least 1 minute after wheels stopped before RFC arrived... And clearly the fire crew were not ready and waiting...
11th Jul 2016, 16:18
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Views: 507,048
Posted By Julio747

You are ignoring the facts!

The fire service was driving away from the aircraft to go around the block, in the first minutr.. And during that time, the fire was getting bigger and bigger. Have you not seen the video?

Your...
11th Jul 2016, 16:11
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Views: 507,048
Posted By Julio747

Probabilities

It is you that has a problem with logic! Decisions are about probabilities, safety decisions about managing risk as best possible.

Let me explain it for you in simple terms.

Action A,...
10th Jul 2016, 20:42
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Posted By Julio747

External video

The original external video (the landscape one) has been taken down. No doubt local pressure. (Copies still exist)

I am guessing from a member of ground staff, a local malay-speaking Singaporean...
10th Jul 2016, 20:13
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Views: 507,048
Posted By Julio747

All available information? Are you kidding? The...

All available information? Are you kidding? The whole wing was ablaze. The cc should have told them. The tower would have told them. The rfc would have told them (still a minute out). And they have a...
10th Jul 2016, 20:03
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Views: 507,048
Posted By Julio747

I very much doubt it. Maybe a conversation on the...

I very much doubt it. Maybe a conversation on the approach about oil pressure warnings, but the fire only started after touchdown.

Rabbits in the headlights is a better explanation. This time,...
10th Jul 2016, 19:59
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Views: 507,048
Posted By Julio747

There was no taxi. It stopped on the runway. And...

There was no taxi. It stopped on the runway. And was aflame before the wheels stopped. Try reading the thread.... Or watching the videos.
9th Jul 2016, 17:00
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Views: 507,048
Posted By Julio747

Hindsight is a wonderful thing...

This is a false analysis. Sure, everyone is happy that there were no injuries. But....

The captain is in charge, not the fire crew. And the fire crew was one minute out when the wheels stopped....
8th Jul 2016, 20:29
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Views: 507,048
Posted By Julio747

Culture is culture

Okay, I was not intending to start a cultural debate... Just commenting on what I see around me

I have lived in SEA for 16 years, and my partner is an Indonesian Muslim. No one can call me...
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