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Forum: Tech Log
25th Aug 2011, 19:31
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Posted By airtren

Iceman50, Trying to get the ND, is only the...

Iceman50,

Trying to get the ND, is only the beginning of the first part of a Stall Recovery.

There is more to Stall Recovery than that, and I read "deSitter's" post, as a suggestion on...
Forum: Tech Log
20th Aug 2011, 04:00
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,657,967
Posted By airtren

Have you read the BEA Report? Its analysis and...

Have you read the BEA Report? Its analysis and CVR transcript are quite clear. Isn't that a enough "real base" for you?



If you read the BEA Report it states clearly that the PF and PNF had no...
Forum: Tech Log
18th Aug 2011, 04:35
Replies: 3,435
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Posted By airtren

You think he "knew". ... But he didn' know, as...

You think he "knew". ... But he didn' know, as he could only assume, or suspect, or infer, but not see directly, and thus know for sure.

IMO, the efficient and easy synchronization between the...
Forum: Tech Log
18th Aug 2011, 02:25
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,657,967
Posted By airtren

Not really. He could not see directly,...

Not really. He could not see directly, constantly, and continuously what the PF was doing with the stick.

He had a clue, as he could infer based on some indirect information, but not see directly,...
Forum: Tech Log
18th Aug 2011, 02:07
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,657,967
Posted By airtren

The info you've mentioned is inferred from the...

The info you've mentioned is inferred from the BEA Report, and the way the AB stick is functioning. You could check to see if your own conclusion based on same sources would be a match....
It seems...
Forum: Tech Log
17th Aug 2011, 13:39
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,657,967
Posted By airtren

The stick status and its handling was important,...

The stick status and its handling was important, as it was a main cause, in two phases, (a) from the beginning of the climb to stall, (b)from stall all the way to the minimum altitude from where the...
Forum: Tech Log
17th Aug 2011, 13:06
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,657,967
Posted By airtren

The AF 447 accident showed clearly problems with...

The AF 447 accident showed clearly problems with training. But it showed problems that span other areas as well, which contributed to the outcome during all 3 phases, including the last two (2) : (a)...
Forum: Tech Log
17th Aug 2011, 11:26
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,657,967
Posted By airtren

Statistically proven is perhaps a more accurate,...

Statistically proven is perhaps a more accurate, or precise description (yes, statistics is a science).

One can train the pilots 24 hours a day. Training will not change the fact that from the...
Forum: Tech Log
16th Aug 2011, 15:09
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,657,967
Posted By airtren

Gretchenfrage, The quoted paragraph bellow ...

Gretchenfrage,

The quoted paragraph bellow links well with the:
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Forum: Tech Log
4th Aug 2011, 14:32
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,657,967
Posted By airtren

Thanks again for posting the graphs. If...

Thanks again for posting the graphs.

If one plugs in the Stick and Thrust graphs as well, one will see that on the Pitch graph the Pitch Nose Down, and Stall Warning OFF/ON/OFF corresponds to...
Forum: Tech Log
4th Aug 2011, 08:17
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,657,967
Posted By airtren

I concur with the thought that knowing the...

I concur with the thought that knowing the sharing the information about the stick actions in the cockpit is a good thing. In the AF 447 case, it would have allowed the PNF know exactly what the PF...
Forum: Tech Log
4th Aug 2011, 07:52
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,657,967
Posted By airtren

I have not followed the Stall Warning discussion...

I have not followed the Stall Warning discussion on this thread earlier, so I apologies for my delayed questions:.

It looks like the STALL Warning OFF, coincides with Pitch NU increase, while...
Forum: Tech Log
4th Aug 2011, 07:39
Replies: 3,435
Views: 1,657,967
Posted By airtren

During the STALL, the Stall Warning was ON for 54...

During the STALL, the Stall Warning was ON for 54 seconds, going OFF at FL350, after which it was OFF and ON, for various short durations 10 times during the rest of the "a/c" descent.

It has...
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