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26th Jun 2012, 19:47
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Posted By Loose rivets

Depends on the era you're in. We liked training...

Depends on the era you're in. We liked training on the real aircraft. Surely, the issue of a real V1 cut is how much concrete you have available? And I suppose an acute awareness of real...
20th Jun 2012, 01:12
Replies: 727
Views: 616,716
Posted By Loose rivets

Perhaps. I imagine it was simply two separate...

Perhaps. I imagine it was simply two separate statements that somehow got merged in the translation.


It sounds even more as though he was in that trough, convinced he was between the mountains.
19th Jun 2012, 19:23
Replies: 727
Views: 616,716
Posted By Loose rivets

As I suggested way back, However, I...

As I suggested way back,



However, I it does sound as though there wouldn't have been time even if the aircraft had been fully aerobatic. But you never know. With that load it might have...
19th Jun 2012, 04:42
Replies: 727
Views: 616,716
Posted By Loose rivets

I wonder to what sickening depths people will...

I wonder to what sickening depths people will sink to spread the blame to someone on the ground.
27th May 2012, 03:04
Replies: 727
Views: 616,716
Posted By Loose rivets

Bits clipped out by the mods don't give the page...

Bits clipped out by the mods don't give the page back.
26th May 2012, 15:03
Replies: 727
Views: 616,716
Posted By Loose rivets

Indeed, following my notion in 313 that both...

Indeed, following my notion in 313 that both pilots might have been looking at a ridge on their side* - comfortable with the fact they were passing a solid mountain - dash8flyer presented in post...
25th May 2012, 21:41
Replies: 727
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Posted By Loose rivets

When being checked out on a new type, my LTC...

When being checked out on a new type, my LTC likened some of the traps one could fall into as a 'long dark corridor.'

I think this was almost a literal interpretation of the analogy. A nice easy...
24th May 2012, 03:30
Replies: 727
Views: 616,716
Posted By Loose rivets

I found turning around the most buttock-gripping...

I found turning around the most buttock-gripping thing about it. Seagulls look so minute waaaaaaaaaaay below.
21st May 2012, 03:24
Replies: 727
Views: 616,716
Posted By Loose rivets

Yes, I thought this, but I'm waiting with baited...

Yes, I thought this, but I'm waiting with baited breath to see if they do more than gasp at their last seconds.


This now, is the whole issue. Planned, or trapped? No one can know, and I pray...
20th May 2012, 03:45
Replies: 727
Views: 616,716
Posted By Loose rivets

Fair enough. I'll perhaps start a thread on the...

Fair enough. I'll perhaps start a thread on the technical section some time in the future.



This is incredible news.
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18th May 2012, 01:11
Replies: 727
Views: 616,716
Posted By Loose rivets

The rise within the 'valley' is substantial. ...

The rise within the 'valley' is substantial.

One half-mile stretch shortly before the crash site gives an increased elevation of 1,000' Quite a climb rate.
17th May 2012, 20:07
Replies: 727
Views: 616,716
Posted By Loose rivets

Ooooo, sēmantikós! Sorrreeeee. There...

Ooooo, sēmantikós! Sorrreeeee.


There was an element of sarcasm in the 'they do have secondary . . .' but I don't really want to get into the relative qualities of various countries radar. ...
17th May 2012, 16:48
Replies: 727
Views: 616,716
Posted By Loose rivets

Turning? Not a chance. When I GooEarth the...

Turning? Not a chance. When I GooEarth the eastern end of the Inn valley, it looks huge, but turning in it with a full load of pax is a very different story.

I wrote this in a style appropriate...
17th May 2012, 16:34
Replies: 727
Views: 616,716
Posted By Loose rivets

Interesting point, but I guess the radar operator...

Interesting point, but I guess the radar operator would only have got primary for a while, and that may well have been very weak even at that range.

Anyone know how long it takes for secondary...
16th May 2012, 08:51
Replies: 727
Views: 616,716
Posted By Loose rivets

mcgyvr81 Thank you for your post. That's...

mcgyvr81 Thank you for your post. That's astonishing.


The arrowed peak to the west is c 6,250 but the peak more or less ahead on their track is over 7,000. If they had been in the valley...
15th May 2012, 21:10
Replies: 727
Views: 616,716
Posted By Loose rivets

RetiredF4 It's entirely possible they would...

RetiredF4

It's entirely possible they would push the boundaries of 'normal' hand flying, but in this case, as I mentioned, ahead and a tad to the right is the highest point, and that timeline at...
15th May 2012, 03:29
Replies: 727
Views: 616,716
Posted By Loose rivets

mcgyvr81's excellent diagram and indeed, post,...

mcgyvr81's excellent diagram and indeed, post, fits in frighteningly well with what I was trying to say.

If they had pulled the aircraft onto heading fairly tight in, that could have left as...
14th May 2012, 20:24
Replies: 727
Views: 616,716
Posted By Loose rivets

So often in these tragedies one can see some...

So often in these tragedies one can see some reason - some possible logic in the crew's thinking, but this one has me beat. If indeed they were flying south-ish in the valley, they would have been...
11th May 2012, 16:49
Replies: 727
Views: 616,716
Posted By Loose rivets

Pointless arguing about such things. I'm...

Pointless arguing about such things.


I'm starting to get the feeling there's more to this than just pushing luck to give a good demonstration.

Very bad weather with CB to 37,000. Very...
11th May 2012, 00:24
Replies: 727
Views: 616,716
Posted By Loose rivets

To quote myself. Does anyone...

To quote myself.






Does anyone have any knowledge of how those leading edges affect the potential to climb rapidly.

Optimizing climb is one thing, but pulling violently to avoid...
10th May 2012, 05:27
Replies: 727
Views: 616,716
Posted By Loose rivets

Can we rely on the sighting of two fuselage...

Can we rely on the sighting of two fuselage parts?

At a first glance, it looks like an impact into the vertical face, but there are two conflicting pieces of information:

One is the said...
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