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9th Feb 2010, 20:43
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Posted By WojtekSz

Mmmayday38...

Mmmayday38 (http://www.pprune.org/members/293139-mmmayday38):
for some it is still not possible to accept that gut feeling flying may actually produce best possible results.
I still believe that...
11th Jan 2010, 20:26
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Posted By WojtekSz

bis47: the transient effect are really very...

bis47: the transient effect are really very interesting, still i will always prefer to fly higher and slower than faster and lower ...

especially over traffic on A30 ;)

Gentelmen, thank you for...
10th Jan 2010, 22:41
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Posted By WojtekSz

misd-agin: you mean from 118kts F30 down to...

misd-agin:
you mean from 118kts F30 down to 108kts F25 - do you happen to know what would be the speed if they would have stayed with F30? Suppose they would have stayed with AP on : would the speed...
10th Jan 2010, 22:14
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Posted By WojtekSz

CONF iture: well, do you really believe that...

CONF iture:

well, do you really believe that the person who has flown the sim just pulled the stick to stall the plane? or maybe he was trying his best to fly as far as possible by trading the...
10th Jan 2010, 21:58
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Posted By WojtekSz

cats_five: unfortunately i fly nothing real,...

cats_five:
unfortunately i fly nothing real, just the ms sim + good share of SLF
i am qualified mechanical engineer specializing in control systems, with open mind and deeper than average ...
10th Jan 2010, 10:19
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Posted By WojtekSz

i tried to compile my own answer to the problem...

i tried to compile my own answer to the problem presented by SFLY and when searching for B77 stall speed numbers i have found all the answers already there.

an executive summary:
some formal...
10th Jan 2010, 05:42
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Posted By WojtekSz

wilyflier: your instructor was absolutely...

wilyflier:
your instructor was absolutely right!
the same applied possibly to your chemistry teacher who used to tell you: remember to pour acid into the water!
these are the golden rules which...
9th Jan 2010, 20:37
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Posted By WojtekSz

SFLY - i like your perseverance ;) - so lets...

SFLY - i like your perseverance ;) - so lets follow your suggested way and imagine we would like to fly best gliding speed ie closer to Vref

How could it be achieved (let us know if you see any...
9th Jan 2010, 01:54
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Posted By WojtekSz

CONF iture, maybe i have been unclear of...

CONF iture,

maybe i have been unclear of what i see as flying as level as possible ;) - my fault since flying level flight was simply not possible without power!

i used the term 'flying level'...
8th Jan 2010, 22:35
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Posted By WojtekSz

SFLY i do not like to repeat myself but pls...

SFLY

i do not like to repeat myself but pls see my post #2743 (http://www.pprune.org/5423630-post2743.html) and mmm's explanation:
the reason to act manual ONLY AFTER the stick shaker was...
7th Jan 2010, 06:51
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Posted By WojtekSz

Mmmayday38: thanks for this insight!

Mmmayday38: thanks for this insight!
6th Jan 2010, 20:07
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Posted By WojtekSz

the more i think of it the clear it is that: ...

the more i think of it the clear it is that:
(1) the crew made incredible job! chapeau bas! this situation must have been tried in all sims by whoever had a chance to try it - nobody so far has...
5th Jan 2010, 21:08
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Posted By WojtekSz

S.F.L.Y i have asked if you could propose some...

S.F.L.Y
i have asked if you could propose some better actions to take - and what is your porposed action:
sorry but seems that you should rather concentrate on gliding than discussing flying jets...
4th Jan 2010, 21:57
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Posted By WojtekSz

I would not bet a lot on maintaining the ILS path...

I would not bet a lot on maintaining the ILS path as the flying crew priority ;)

Anyhow, following sequence was used:
1. push the throttles fully up, wait for results
2. repeat push the...
3rd Jan 2010, 21:42
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Posted By WojtekSz

S.F.L.Y if you would finally accept that...

S.F.L.Y

if you would finally accept that flaps 30 are just like huge airbrakes then getting away with such brakes is clearly the most important item when trying to stay in the air, especially that...
3rd Jan 2010, 17:12
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Posted By WojtekSz

@S.F.L.Y could you pls elaborate on what...

@S.F.L.Y


could you pls elaborate on what would be the most most logical strategy in this case? This might help the me (possibly also others) to understand your point.
3rd Jan 2010, 15:32
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Posted By WojtekSz

suitcaseman: i am fully with you on this :)

suitcaseman: i am fully with you on this :)
3rd Jan 2010, 15:29
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Posted By WojtekSz

we have the same report ;) the difference is...

we have the same report ;)
the difference is that you seem to believe that the first crew action was commanding nose down while i seem to follow the report thinking that 'the autothrottle and the...
3rd Jan 2010, 11:44
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Posted By WojtekSz

@S.F.L.Y what i read from your comments is the...

@S.F.L.Y
what i read from your comments is the overall idea that if the PF would have done something (lowering the nose) earlier the plane could have landed as usual. Is
that right?
What i do see...
3rd Jan 2010, 07:57
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Posted By WojtekSz

@ S.F.L.Y i believe you are right that...

@ S.F.L.Y
i believe you are right that appropriate situation awareness has significant influence on security of the flying. I do not know if the pilots may/should have turned the AP earlier but i...
3rd Jan 2010, 06:57
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Posted By WojtekSz

@Mmmayday38 whatever you did at the time has...

@Mmmayday38
whatever you did at the time has worked out fine. With the hindsight i cannot find better way of doing this. I believe many should be grateful for your instinct reaction to the problem....
1st Jan 2010, 21:14
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Posted By WojtekSz

@S.F.L.Y: oups - i had an impression that the...

@S.F.L.Y:
oups - i had an impression that the ILS was much more advanced and would actually lead the plane to land EXACTLY at the beginning of the runway - but who knows - maybe i was wrong ;)
or...
30th Dec 2009, 22:40
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Posted By WojtekSz

@ misd-agin + bearfoil absolutely correct at...

@ misd-agin + bearfoil

absolutely correct at speeds comfortably above Vs.
but when we are just a few knots above Vs, with the a/c slowing down - anything that keep the plain flying at above Vs...
30th Dec 2009, 22:29
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Posted By WojtekSz

@S.F.L.Y: lets get the picture right: we...

@S.F.L.Y:

lets get the picture right:
we are flying B777 standard approach, at 500ft the speed is 135kias as needed, AP is engaged, gear down, flaps 30. Speed is getting too low so we increase...
30th Dec 2009, 00:23
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Posted By WojtekSz

S.F.L.Y - you must have missed the information...

S.F.L.Y - you must have missed the information from both the Preliminary Report and flying basics that reducing the flaps was aimed at reducing the drag when the power become lost.
You have...
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