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Forum: Tech Log
8th Jul 2011, 16:59
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Views: 280,274
Posted By GarageYears

+1 I, for one, do not believe that is how...

+1

I, for one, do not believe that is how the THS works. Otherwise every small SS input would result in a re-trimed aircraft (even though it would be a small change).
Forum: Tech Log
8th Jul 2011, 14:24
Replies: 1,069
Views: 280,274
Posted By GarageYears

Abnormal Law and THS

Abnormal law:
While the fact that Abnormal Law and the dropping of autotrim, *seems* like a possible explanation for the THS remaining +13NU, there is no mention of an law change beyond:


...
Forum: Tech Log
7th Jul 2011, 13:40
Replies: 1,069
Views: 280,274
Posted By GarageYears

Beats me. :bored: I was simply providing the...

Beats me. :bored:

I was simply providing the picture, in support of a discussion between A33Zab and Chris Scott, I believe....

Actually I think the pic is pertinent to the on-going discussion...
Forum: Tech Log
7th Jul 2011, 13:09
Replies: 1,069
Views: 280,274
Posted By GarageYears

Airbus Cockpit Pics

I have a very nice poster from Airbus of the cockpits of the A320/A330/A340 and A380 all together. In reality you can hardly notice the differences.

Below I have tried to post a photo I took of...
Forum: Tech Log
6th Jul 2011, 20:48
Replies: 1,069
Views: 280,274
Posted By GarageYears

A33Zab: I don't see it quite as...

A33Zab:



I don't see it quite as definitively, but I suspect you may be right on the TL's to idle. If the ND inputs were ordered I'm surprised (but only a bit) that the BEA didn't include the...
Forum: Tech Log
26th Jun 2011, 23:23
Replies: 1,069
Views: 280,274
Posted By GarageYears

Ah, then wallybird7, you and I ARE on entirely...

Ah, then wallybird7, you and I ARE on entirely the SAME page then. Because that is the root of the mystery here - why didn't they deviate? Everything that follows is a consequence of this fundamental...
Forum: Tech Log
26th Jun 2011, 22:51
Replies: 1,069
Views: 280,274
Posted By GarageYears

wallybird7: The ITCZ is a well understood area,...

wallybird7: The ITCZ is a well understood area, that routinely presents challenging weather conditions. However EVERY flight traveling North<>South in this region of the World will transit the ITCZ....
Forum: Tech Log
26th Jun 2011, 20:40
Replies: 1,069
Views: 280,274
Posted By GarageYears

DozyWannabe: +1:ok: well said Anyway, the...

DozyWannabe: +1:ok: well said

Anyway, the fact that a change to the A/T behavior WAS implemented should be a affirmation of a lack of arrogance on their part: "we got this wrong, we fixed it..."....
Forum: Tech Log
26th Jun 2011, 00:10
Replies: 1,069
Views: 280,274
Posted By GarageYears

IF789: Right on w.r.t. this :ok: There are a...

IF789: Right on w.r.t. this :ok: There are a number of problems with this 'hung on in Normal' theory - most significant of which is the lack of any comment within the BEA note of May 27th. I hardy...
Forum: Tech Log
24th Jun 2011, 17:27
Replies: 1,069
Views: 280,274
Posted By GarageYears

So you're assuming unequivocally that the DRAIN...

So you're assuming unequivocally that the DRAIN port was also blocked? Because most of what I can find relating to block pitots DOES NOT support that as the 'usual' failure mode. With the drain OPEN...
Forum: Tech Log
24th Jun 2011, 16:11
Replies: 1,069
Views: 280,274
Posted By GarageYears

If I am following all this correctly, then the...

If I am following all this correctly, then the issue in hand is not one of whether it was flyable, but simply which mode (Law) the control system was operating i.e. was it Normal or Alt.

Now, not...
Forum: Tech Log
23rd Jun 2011, 17:59
Replies: 1,069
Views: 280,274
Posted By GarageYears

So is the answer MORE automation?

So we all seem to agree that +10 degrees NU in a transport category aircraft at any other flight phase than take-off is likely a bad idea?

Clearly there are reasonable 'limits' for negative climb...
Forum: Tech Log
20th Jun 2011, 16:45
Replies: 1,069
Views: 280,274
Posted By GarageYears

savrin: How do you fit your analysis with...

savrin:

How do you fit your analysis with this from the BEA note?



You state:
Forum: Tech Log
19th Jun 2011, 18:05
Replies: 1,069
Views: 280,274
Posted By GarageYears

If we were discussing training my dog to...

If we were discussing training my dog to roll-over, then perhaps I'd agree, but we're not. All the occupants of the cockpit that night had hundreds of hours of experience and many 10's, if not...
Forum: Tech Log
17th Jun 2011, 01:21
Replies: 1,069
Views: 280,274
Posted By GarageYears

Zorin_75: :ok: (re-read your post... got...

Zorin_75: :ok:

(re-read your post... got it third time round :ugh:)
Forum: Tech Log
17th Jun 2011, 01:15
Replies: 1,069
Views: 280,274
Posted By GarageYears

bear: Where do YOU get this stuff from?...

bear:

Where do YOU get this stuff from? Nowhere does anything state the aircraft was DESCENDING at the start of event, except in your posts - I honestly think the BEA might have mentioned such a...
Forum: Tech Log
17th Jun 2011, 00:04
Replies: 1,069
Views: 280,274
Posted By GarageYears

Zorin_75: Full text of the paragraph...

Zorin_75:



Full text of the paragraph from the BEA.

Your version:
Forum: Tech Log
16th Jun 2011, 23:32
Replies: 1,069
Views: 280,274
Posted By GarageYears

Build BETTER training devices that provide...

Build BETTER training devices that provide extended flight and upset envelope training. I have posted several time about the RAeS ICATEE working group. Real aerodynamicists can model beyond flight...
Forum: Tech Log
16th Jun 2011, 17:41
Replies: 1,069
Views: 280,274
Posted By GarageYears

jcjeant: What does this mean then from...

jcjeant:



What does this mean then from the very first paragraph at the START of the incident:



What do you imagine this did if it didn't precipitate a climb?
Forum: Tech Log
16th Jun 2011, 17:24
Replies: 1,069
Views: 280,274
Posted By GarageYears

Tail chute: Probably a very bad idea. Aside...

Tail chute:

Probably a very bad idea. Aside from the complexity of certifying such a thing (presumably a different design/size would be needed for each aircraft type), the risk of inadvertent...
Forum: Tech Log
16th Jun 2011, 12:15
Replies: 1,069
Views: 280,274
Posted By GarageYears

wmelvin and several recent posters: Please read...

wmelvin and several recent posters: Please read the thread, particularly Part 3 (found here> http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/452836-af447-thread-no-3-a.html). I believe every aspect of your...
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