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Forum: Tech Log
7th Apr 2011, 21:15
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

9.g: KEMT is Piper/Cessna type airport. ...

9.g:

KEMT is Piper/Cessna type airport. Coming down from the north is ususally over EHF. Being able to go PMD-POM cuts off a lot of miles.
Forum: Tech Log
7th Apr 2011, 19:42
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

9.G: As a practical matter, coming...

9.G:



As a practical matter, coming from any distance you would usually get that or the other STAR. They indeed add flight path miles (at least arriving from the NW to avoid LAX inbounds....
Forum: Tech Log
7th Apr 2011, 14:50
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

9.G: And, coming from PDZ or PRADO your are...

9.G:

And, coming from PDZ or PRADO your are at 4,000, well below the airspace used by a different SoCal sector for LA arrivals from the east. Arriving from the NW over POM, though, the MEA of...
Forum: Tech Log
7th Apr 2011, 14:24
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

9.G That is correct but...

9.G




That is correct but irrelevant to the hypothetical. As I said in the previous post:

Originally, it was about descending SE bound on V-197 to POM, then fly the KEMT VOR-A IAP. The...
Forum: Tech Log
7th Apr 2011, 12:56
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

photofly: Originally, it was about...

photofly:



Originally, it was about descending SE bound on V-197 to POM, then fly the KEMT VOR-A IAP. The course reversal hold would be required, and it lies beneath the Los Angeles Class B...
Forum: Tech Log
7th Apr 2011, 10:20
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

photofly: The PANS-OPS graphic in...

photofly:



The PANS-OPS graphic in Post #2.
Forum: Tech Log
6th Apr 2011, 23:33
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

Sciolistes: What individual states...

Sciolistes:



What individual states may or may not tolerate is impossible to determine. I do know the ICAO OCP, the panel that writes, and modifies PANS-OPS, did not envision such an...
Forum: Tech Log
6th Apr 2011, 15:34
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

photofly: No, the rules are the...

photofly:



No, the rules are the same. I didn't say fly outbound for one minute (at least I don't think I did:)) but there is an outbound limit that must be observed in order to fly inbound...
Forum: Tech Log
4th Apr 2011, 15:22
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

gf: Worth noting that PTRO uses...

gf:



Worth noting that PTRO uses TERPs.
Forum: Tech Log
4th Apr 2011, 15:13
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

gf: I can appreciate that local...

gf:



I can appreciate that local practices can vary significantly from country to country. The ICAO Obstacle Clearance Panel (OCP) has labored for many years that PANS-OPS will be implemented...
Forum: Tech Log
4th Apr 2011, 09:30
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

fickleboy: How does ATC "see" the...

fickleboy:



How does ATC "see" the pilot flying "outside of it?"



Following is the only ODP that I can find for KPOC. I can't find any DP, because those haven't existed in the U.S....
Forum: Tech Log
3rd Apr 2011, 13:06
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

theficklefinger: Why are you...

theficklefinger:



Why are you consistently so abrasive?

The only departure procedure POC has is an Obstacle DP that goes to PRADO intersection.

But, I do learn stuff here that I...
Forum: Tech Log
3rd Apr 2011, 12:56
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

g.f. Call POC tower and they will...

g.f.



Call POC tower and they will likely respond, "Say what?" They are a VFR tower.

The SIDs over POM VOR are for KONT. SoCal TRACON controls the airspace over POM for terminal area IFR...
Forum: Tech Log
1st Apr 2011, 14:21
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

photofly: What's changed since I...

photofly:



What's changed since I wrote that article is some 15 years of ever increasing use of GPS RNAV. Further, the provision for controllers to clear RNAV aircraft direct to the published...
Forum: Tech Log
30th Mar 2011, 12:38
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

POM 7 SID out of KONT showing 7,000' crossing...

POM 7 SID out of KONT showing 7,000' crossing restriction at POM northwest bound:

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/aterpster/POMSEVEN.jpg
Forum: Tech Log
30th Mar 2011, 12:22
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

theficklefinger: I made my "contention"...

theficklefinger:


I made my "contention" clear in my previous response to you. The HILPT for the El Monte IAP would be in Los Angeles's airspace at 10,000 feet.

As to SIDS over POM,...
Forum: Tech Log
30th Mar 2011, 01:12
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

theficklefinger: Could be. But, I...

theficklefinger:



Could be. But, I think you are clueless about that airspace.

I learned how to fly at KEMT, went on to teach IFR flying there, went on to use the airport as my light...
Forum: Tech Log
29th Mar 2011, 13:29
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

BOAC: MTA, never heard of them until...

BOAC:

MTA, never heard of them until yesterday. An FAA friend who works with this stuff tells me they have been around since 1970. But, I guess they haven't been charted until recently.
...
Forum: Tech Log
29th Mar 2011, 13:25
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

fickle: You would then need to be...

fickle:



You would then need to be decertified as a controller for the Ontario area (Empire sector of SoCal TRACON), because the Los Angeles sector owns that airspace above 7,000 where the...
Forum: Tech Log
28th Mar 2011, 18:55
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

BOAC: Thanks for the airmanship...

BOAC:



Thanks for the airmanship assistance. But, that isn't the issue here. The MEA is 10,500, the altitude assignment is 11,000, but the MTA is 11,800 if turning from V-264 to the west to...
Forum: Tech Log
28th Mar 2011, 15:13
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

GF: Difficult to say without an...

GF:



Difficult to say without an obstacle assessment. The primary area of the airway has to have not less than 2,000 feet of ROC because this area is within a Designated Mountainous Area....
Forum: Tech Log
28th Mar 2011, 14:07
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

FAA MVAs in vicinity of POM VOR: ...

FAA MVAs in vicinity of POM VOR:

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/aterpster/POMMVA.jpg
Forum: Tech Log
28th Mar 2011, 09:26
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

9.G: Caveat: I am speaking only of...

9.G:



Caveat: I am speaking only of U.S./FAA procedures. When ATC initiates a descent clearance below MEA, that becomes a direct clearance and ATC is clearly responsible for terrain...
Forum: Tech Log
27th Mar 2011, 18:28
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

BOAC: Unlike most ICAO-compliant...

BOAC:



Unlike most ICAO-compliant member states, the FAA refuses to provide MVA charts to pilots. So, you have to take it on faith that ATC is not giving you a bad altitude.



A...
Forum: Tech Log
27th Mar 2011, 16:46
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

minimumunstick: Again, I can only speak...

minimumunstick:


Again, I can only speak for FAA-dom. Here is what I believe is an example that is on point. The graphic below shows both the VOR or GPS-A IAP for KEMT (east of LAX), and the...
Forum: Tech Log
26th Mar 2011, 14:37
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

minimumunstick: Your present...

minimumunstick:



Your present position would presumably be on an unpublished extension of the final approach course. It is difficult to comment without an example IAP. In the U.S. ATC would...
Forum: Tech Log
26th Mar 2011, 12:41
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

minimumunstick: That is correct with...

minimumunstick:



That is correct with TERPs in the U.S. The only restriction is descent to procedure turn completion altitude where a minimum altitude is shown in the profile view over the...
Forum: Tech Log
25th Mar 2011, 16:14
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

gf: Not if they are properly trained...

gf:



Not if they are properly trained in international procedures.:)

If they have to first use the alignment holding pattern to properly align for the base leg or procedure turn reversal,...
Forum: Tech Log
25th Mar 2011, 16:08
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

minimumunstick: As a matter of...

minimumunstick:




As a matter of fact I am familiar with that airport, having just done a bit of TAWS assessment there.

I read Jepps a lot better than AIP source. Here is the Jepp for...
Forum: Tech Log
24th Mar 2011, 14:33
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

gf: Here is the directive to the designers...

gf:

Here is the directive to the designers in PANS-OPS:

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/aterpster/PANSOPSCourseReversalEntry.jpg
Forum: Tech Log
24th Mar 2011, 01:07
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

You guys are missing the point. Zeffy posted the...

You guys are missing the point. Zeffy posted the PANS-OPS illustration. PANS-OPS (not TERPS) requires that a holding pattern first be entered to properly align with the procedure turn (typically a...
Forum: Tech Log
23rd Mar 2011, 23:25
Replies: 105
Views: 38,461
Posted By aterpster

minimumunstick: Do you have an...

minimumunstick:



Do you have an example?
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