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25th Jun 2010, 21:38
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Posted By ELAC

CONF iture, The JNB-TIP sector for...

CONF iture,



The JNB-TIP sector for Afriqiyah is blocked at 8:50, which would fit most definitions of Long Haul (usually above 8 or 10 hrs), but that sector isn't typical of the company's route...
25th Jun 2010, 03:06
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Views: 856,618
Posted By ELAC

Lonewolf 50, Thanks for your questions &...

Lonewolf 50,

Thanks for your questions & contribution. As some others have already replied here, with the forebearance of the mods I'll do the same instead of switching this to another thread.

...
24th Jun 2010, 09:12
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Posted By ELAC

PB, I get what you are saying too....

PB,



I get what you are saying too. But, we have the data available at various levels to determine whether those "feelings" are correct. Shouldn't we be using that to drive our conclusions and...
24th Jun 2010, 03:27
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Posted By ELAC

CONF iture, Actually, not quite the...

CONF iture,



Actually, not quite the same case at all CONF iture.

From the article:
23rd Jun 2010, 23:44
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Posted By ELAC

jcjeant, I agree with you entirely....

jcjeant,



I agree with you entirely. It's just a matter of whether there's a trend we need to correct right now, and if so what that correction should be.

Cheers,

ELAC
23rd Jun 2010, 21:44
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Posted By ELAC

One Outsider, Agreed, but where is...

One Outsider,



Agreed, but where is the evidence that preoccupation with the "manipulation of the mechanism" played a role in these accidents? The initiator was a failure of monitoring, it was...
23rd Jun 2010, 20:33
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Posted By ELAC

aterpster, No, that's not particularly...

aterpster,



No, that's not particularly new. Scroll back and look at some of the past accidents as I posted to deSitter. For similarities to Turkish in the 80's look at the SAS DC10 in JFK or...
23rd Jun 2010, 19:27
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Posted By ELAC

CONF iture, Re #1, yes that could be...

CONF iture,



Re #1, yes that could be true, but before we do so we should make sure we know what the problem really is, what improvement we will achieve and what the quantum of the extra risk...
23rd Jun 2010, 19:22
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Posted By ELAC

Phil, Thanks for that. Spatial...

Phil,



Thanks for that.

Spatial disorientation has never been more than just a possible explanation for the facts so far reported. More facts would be welcome to help all of us understand...
23rd Jun 2010, 19:15
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Posted By ELAC

Teevee, The best place to look would...

Teevee,



The best place to look would be in a broad sampling of FOQA data spread across carriers, aircraft types, nations and cultures. Look for exceedances that relate either to hand flying or...
23rd Jun 2010, 09:50
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Posted By ELAC

PBL, Thank you for boiling things down to...

PBL,

Thank you for boiling things down to their essence. This does get at what the discusion should be about.

BOAC,

You are indeed right about where the discussion belongs and I considered...
23rd Jun 2010, 09:22
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Posted By ELAC

PB, Yeah, it is a lot of words. But...

PB,



Yeah, it is a lot of words. But then I'm trying to get some folks to go back and revisit a notion that they seem pretty fondly attached to. And for all those words, I think maybe you...
23rd Jun 2010, 04:12
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Posted By ELAC

Capn Bloggs, No, it's not quite that...

Capn Bloggs,



No, it's not quite that simple. First let's be clear that I'm not advocating against all manual flying, I definitely believe it has its place in normal operations. What I'm saying...
23rd Jun 2010, 01:29
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Posted By ELAC

franzl, Is it used in a manner which...

franzl,



Is it used in a manner which ensures the greatest improvement in safety? Great question, I think we'd both agree the answer is not yet.

Is it leading to a lowering of standards for...
23rd Jun 2010, 00:55
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Views: 856,618
Posted By ELAC

aterpster, Yes, to a degree perhaps I...

aterpster,



Yes, to a degree perhaps I am fixating on your "far too many" statement. But, "If only a few ... is far too many", well there have always been "a few", so what exactly is new under...
22nd Jun 2010, 21:54
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Posted By ELAC

BOAC, Well, really it was only when...

BOAC,



Well, really it was only when they decided to colour the sky side blue that things started to go downhill. When it was just a white line on a black ball, well then, of course, your scan...
22nd Jun 2010, 21:06
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Posted By ELAC

safetypee, Yes, I'd agree there,...

safetypee,



Yes, I'd agree there, though the FD isn't really an innovation that's particular to the EFIS/auto generation of aircraft. Perhaps it can be seen as the original form of flight...
22nd Jun 2010, 20:54
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Posted By ELAC

aterpster, I'm not asking for your...

aterpster,



I'm not asking for your background credentials, I'm asking for the data that supports your conclusions. Facts, not opinions. The Colgan 3407 investigation is undoubtedly a thorough...
22nd Jun 2010, 04:58
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Posted By ELAC

stepwilk, The six pack is more...

stepwilk,




The six pack is more like a box lunch these days. The same stuff, but all on one or two plates now instead of sperate tins if you will. Overall better, but the eyes don't move...
22nd Jun 2010, 00:20
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Posted By ELAC

deSitter, Perhaps you should look...

deSitter,



Perhaps you should look again. There are plenty of past accidents that fit into the same categories. By example, the following very similar accidents are drawn from the NTSB database...
21st Jun 2010, 20:17
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Posted By ELAC

aterpster, All right. Let's not...

aterpster,



All right.

Let's not forget that it is you who has made the claim: "that far too many of today's pilots are button-pushing bus drivers, who are truly screwed if the automatics...
21st Jun 2010, 09:26
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Views: 856,618
Posted By ELAC

Capn Bloggs, "accidents are now...

Capn Bloggs,



"accidents are now occurring regularly in which the basic flying skills of the crew are a factor" To me that appears to be an exaggeration. We have had several accidents recently...
21st Jun 2010, 05:26
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Posted By ELAC

jcjeant, There is always room for...

jcjeant,



There is always room for improvement. That should be a never ending process in aviation. And there will always be accidents that result from exceptions to the overall level of...
20th Jun 2010, 23:48
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Posted By ELAC

aterpster, If you choose to form your...

aterpster,



If you choose to form your conclusions and draw your hypotheses from single instances then I think we've discovered the source of the problem.

ELAC
20th Jun 2010, 23:10
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Posted By ELAC

franzl, Sorry franzl, while I can...

franzl,



Sorry franzl, while I can agree with many of your points I reject the "This [i.e. past] generation might have not that expieience with automation, but the expierience with flying was...
20th Jun 2010, 20:05
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Posted By ELAC

aterpster, Unfortunately the data...

aterpster,




Unfortunately the data doesn't support either of your hypotheses.

The only "consensus" on the forum is a simplistic one that comes from a group of mostly retired types who...
16th Jun 2010, 01:08
Replies: 1,543
Views: 856,618
Posted By ELAC

How is it that we are all still preoccupied with...

How is it that we are all still preoccupied with automation and all of its perils for modern aviation when it is becoming more and more likely that automation had nothing to do with the accident?
...
26th May 2010, 16:08
Replies: 1,543
Views: 856,618
Posted By ELAC

Centaurus/Tower Dog Somatogravic Illusion...

Centaurus/Tower Dog

Somatogravic Illusion has probably been a factor in more accidents, particularly in high performance military aircraft, than is widely understood.

At dinner this evening...
26th May 2010, 15:41
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Views: 856,618
Posted By ELAC

SLF, It is? How so? ...

SLF,



It is? How so?



Really? Based on what metric? It certainly can't be based on accidents as we had plenty more of those with less complex equipment. To the extent that there's an...
26th May 2010, 14:40
Replies: 1,543
Views: 856,618
Posted By ELAC

Hi franzl, Yes, I think yourself, PJ2 and...

Hi franzl,

Yes, I think yourself, PJ2 and perhaps others mentioned the possibility of somatogravic illusion earlier on and refrenced the GF crash. It had crossed my mind too as I've not been sold...
26th May 2010, 10:13
Replies: 1,543
Views: 856,618
Posted By ELAC

SLF, this is just blather without meaning. Your...

SLF, this is just blather without meaning. Your initial point was about aircraft handling and instrument flying procedures but in your next breath you are suggesting USAir 1549 as an example of the...
26th May 2010, 00:12
Replies: 1,543
Views: 856,618
Posted By ELAC

If you believe that, I have swamp land in Florida...

If you believe that, I have swamp land in Florida and a bridge in Brooklyn that you might be interested in.

What amuses me in all these "perils of automatics" diatribes is that the posters never...
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