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Forum: Tech Log
6th Mar 2011, 21:15
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

as to the sad turn of this thread, this will be...

as to the sad turn of this thread, this will be my last post. anyone wishing intelligent discourse may PM me.
Forum: Tech Log
6th Mar 2011, 21:13
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

dear canuck thanks for acknowledging 60...

dear canuck

thanks for acknowledging 60 degrees of bank (exceeding) as aerobatic...indeed the FAA only speaks of it as requiring a parachute in FAR 91.307

Dear K9...there are countless times...
Forum: Tech Log
6th Mar 2011, 19:35
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

which reg...faa doesn't specifiy...just checked

which reg...faa doesn't specifiy...just checked
Forum: Tech Log
6th Mar 2011, 19:09
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

who said to roll the plane to 60 degrees of bank...

who said to roll the plane to 60 degrees of bank at 1.3vso with gear and flaps out? I didn't .

have you guys even read the original post?

I'm trying to get the engines out of the birds...
Forum: Tech Log
6th Mar 2011, 18:28
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

wow, I've been in alot of upsets then... you...

wow, I've been in alot of upsets then...

you fly your way...even in the plane we train for ''steep turns'' at 45degrees...
and who said 67 degrees? and who said you had to pull back in this...
Forum: Tech Log
6th Mar 2011, 17:41
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

canuck...since when has a 60 degree bank been...

canuck...since when has a 60 degree bank been aerobatic? exceeding, yes...
Forum: Tech Log
6th Mar 2011, 13:40
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

I am surprised that so few people can appreciate...

I am surprised that so few people can appreciate moving the engines out of the plane of the bird formation.

people have been saying that I must only fly microsoft flight sim...and not real planes....
Forum: Tech Log
6th Mar 2011, 03:24
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

time to thank everyone who has a genuine interest...

time to thank everyone who has a genuine interest in this topic.
Forum: Tech Log
6th Mar 2011, 00:08
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

411A you missed the boat. I offered the...

411A

you missed the boat. I offered the bank as an escape maneuver when other options wouldn't work...imagine if that 707 was over your head and you pulled up to avoid the birds...and now you...
Forum: Tech Log
5th Mar 2011, 20:09
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

do we think it is safe to say that the high...

do we think it is safe to say that the high bypass fans /engines are more susceptible by their nature to sucking bigger birds?

my first jet (NA 254-40) had small inlet engines and a nice cross of...
Forum: Tech Log
5th Mar 2011, 19:22
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

certainly transports should only rarely exceed...

certainly transports should only rarely exceed 25-30 degrees of bank...but they, and I would like to think most ATP's, are capable of that.

if your plane can't handle a 60 degree bank...better...
Forum: Tech Log
3rd Mar 2011, 20:48
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

i'm not an msfs guy i'm trying to figure a...

i'm not an msfs guy

i'm trying to figure a way to avoid bird ingestion in the following scenario

see birds with time to act

unable to climb because of energy or traffic or other...
Forum: Tech Log
3rd Mar 2011, 13:43
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

look out the window...the best advice so far! ...

look out the window...the best advice so far!

I think the turkey buzzard wanted to be ''friends'' with you r757~...but it got a bit rough!
Forum: Tech Log
2nd Mar 2011, 21:15
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

but the sully scenario was at 3000'...not takeoff...

but the sully scenario was at 3000'...not takeoff per se, not landing...

anyway...great discussion...
Forum: Tech Log
2nd Mar 2011, 18:55
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

this thread is picking up and I am glad. ...

this thread is picking up and I am glad.

more people, pilot input etc.

regarding the 60 degree bank...so many are concerned about it. would 45degrees make you happier?

the point of the...
Forum: Tech Log
2nd Mar 2011, 00:22
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

the purpose is to talk about things like this. ...

the purpose is to talk about things like this. so, why didn't "sully" climb?

he was already climbing...not much left to give. I have proposed a method to take the engines out of the formation of...
Forum: Tech Log
1st Mar 2011, 23:13
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

misdagain the bank angle is suggested to...

misdagain

the bank angle is suggested to move the engines out of the plane of the bird formation...climbing is great when you can...but lets say the ''spott' of birds is constant in your windown...
Forum: Tech Log
28th Feb 2011, 23:45
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

interesting chris...out of habit I always have...

interesting chris...out of habit I always have all lights on for takeoff and landing and below Positive Control Airspace (FL180 in usa). (fog and odd vis situations aside).

its too bad that A320...
Forum: Tech Log
28th Feb 2011, 22:28
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

EW73 I agree with you. In my first post I...

EW73

I agree with you. In my first post I mentioned that birds always dive and that climbing is a good maneuver if available.

my first plane ride was in 1963 in the P3's brother, the Lockheed...
Forum: Tech Log
28th Feb 2011, 19:48
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

I'll have to read that stuff from transport...

I'll have to read that stuff from transport canada.

in the US we don't have any bird training!

the climb is a good maneuver too. my bank thing takes into account the chance that you are...
Forum: Tech Log
28th Feb 2011, 02:08
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

centaurus...good story...good decision. wise use...

centaurus...good story...good decision. wise use of flat pitch instead of wheel brakes.
Forum: Tech Log
28th Feb 2011, 01:20
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

thanks everyone for your great points. I...

thanks everyone for your great points.

I just wish someone ''in charge'' would actually look into evasive action techniques for jet airliners. Seems a shame we really don't know too much more...
Forum: Tech Log
13th Feb 2011, 03:42
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

fine points...especially about swallows with...

fine points...especially about swallows with cocoanuts.

you do what you can...I was thinking of the sully flight...if he was flying a dc9 or 727 he would have been on time to charlotte. also...
Forum: Tech Log
13th Feb 2011, 02:42
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

and a JT8D on the back, like a DC9 is even...

and a JT8D on the back, like a DC9 is even better! :-)

excellent point about the ''spot" on the windshield...good job Machinbird...RU near chicago?
Forum: Tech Log
12th Feb 2011, 19:56
Replies: 117
Views: 18,551
Posted By sevenstrokeroll

jet/bird evasive action

I haven't seen a good discussion on evading bird strikes, especially sucking birds into engines.

I learned to fly at a very ''birdy'' area on the bay of san francisco some 36 years ago. What I...
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